NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #4150 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:28 am

Ninety-Fifth Votecount

:

(Twenty-Eighth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Ah, it's good to be on top of the world" votecount.

)

Seanald - 5 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade, Desperado)

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Seanald

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 166, post 4139.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

PeregrineV · Post Post #4151 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:28 am

In post 4106, Desperado wrote:
Unvote: Seanald

I'm also trying to figure out what it means that Seanald got to L-2 without any of ffullisade, CTD, bacde, Nacho, or Khan joining the wagon.

I guess this was it?

In post 4103, mastin2 wrote:Ninety-Third Votecount: (Twenty-Sixth Votecount of Day Three, AKA, the "Massprod = mass-activity" votecount.)

Seanald - 8 (Desperado, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Bubazak, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, Slandaar, penguin_alien)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (Seanald)

Maybe your could examine your 5 biggest townreads and see, prior to your case, what their stance on Seanald was, and if their actions match now that the opportunity is real.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4152 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:30 am

In post 4083, Cephrir wrote:I like the Seanald wagon. I'm tired of him doing nothing but hopping between myself and the biggest wagon. And I know I can hardly be objective in the matter but his suspicion of me as well as dat vote on AK were pretty terrible.

They're terrible, but I don't really have a definite opinion on his terrible choices.

In post 4084, Rena wrote:I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

AK is too easy, but Seanald isn't?

In post 4087, ThAdmiral wrote:Honestly I'm leery that everyone thinks he is town (even though I used to). Looking back I don't see much to imply he's as towny as everyone says he is.

>.>

In post 4091, penguin_alien wrote:I suppose of the options to lynch among the neighbors, I'd rather lynch one whose own co-neighbor finds him scummy, although the PeregrineV-ThAdmiral mutual admiration society still makes me leery.

I agree, but it's the Peregrine side that bothers me the most.

In post 4101, PeregrineV wrote:Alternately, if your reading indicates Seanald is town, then you should mention that.
Or, if you find an independent reason why Seanald is scummy, then you could mention that and vote him.
Or, if you find holes or weaknesses in Desparado's case you can point those out.

I don't find this horribly interesting or useful.

In post 4102, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nero-scum knows if ThAd is going to be useful to him based on the people he expressed a willingness to shoot. It's exactly the kind of stance scum would want to take if they're not aligned with the people in the crosshair. Keeping ThAd lynchable ("I think he is scum") while letting him do your dirty work. Unlike every other person who's waffled on ThAd, he doesn't want to keep him alive so he can prove his claim or because he actually believes the claim, but simply so he can be "useful".

I agree with this.

In post 4119, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4118, Desperado wrote:My point is that wagon analysis would be unreliable if no one disagreed with the lynch.
;_; you're not getting my point. It's not unreliable if you analysis it against the other wagons.

I'm not getting your point either, to be honest.

In post 4124, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I see alot of town nero thought process and alot of town-Nero emotion, confusion, irritation ect... stuff that I experienced with him when I hydra'd with him.

You don't need to go post by post, but you need a hell of a lot more than this.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:Khan calls me out for speculating on the setup. If he thought it was scummy for me to speculate, why did he not call out the others that were setup speculating? Ergo I'm questioning why he found my setup speculation to be scummy and trying to determine if he's being honest.

This is the second time you've done this.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:The fact that AK has a good chance of getting lynched today and you are defending her so so so hard is making alarm bells ring.

what does this even mean
"you think a person who other people find scummy is town? RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE"

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:Yep, my bad. The slot is obvious town 'cause scum NEVER replace out.

No, but when someone says they are lost and then replaces out, it means that they are probably lost and not malevolently stalling for time.

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

Bacde · Post Post #4153 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:41 am

Meh, I'm willing to pretend I think nacho is town today

at least he's putting on the appearance of being helpful

UNVOTE:

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #4154 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:42 am

In post 4133, Desperado wrote:
Vote: Amethyst Kitty

AK is not dying today.. Seanald is today's lynch!!!
Stop pushing counter wagons!!!!!!!!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4155 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:44 am

In post 4154, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 4133, Desperado wrote:
Vote: Amethyst Kitty
AK is not dying today.. Seanald is today's lynch!!!
Stop pushing counter wagons!!!!!!!!

Arc, Nero has a leaning scum read on you. Why?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4156 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:57 am

What I don't understand is why we aren't looking for scum in these three claimed neighborhoods.

We have:

Seanald / Despo

CTD / Slandaar

Pv / ThAd

I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.

____

My point is Nacho that I can sometimes pull information from town AND scum lynches. In fact I know I can because I have done it multiple times when I was a vig and was accurate.
So I'm different when people say we can't pull information from possible town flips because it's wrong - people are able to pull information from them, but they need to know how it's done correctly.

____

@Despo:

I was eating lunch when I posted earlier and kept wanting to throw my phone across the wall because it kept sticking and I couldn't type anything right. I think my replacement screen is fucked up right now.

____

@Mollie:

2566.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #4157 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:02 am

In post 4155, Nachomamma8 wrote:Arc, Nero has a leaning scum read on you. Why?

Nero is obessed with me. He reads me scum in every game i play with him despite how I ended flipping town and he was wrong.
I keeping telling him time and again that I am town again in this game and he don't believe me. the thing is that i had tried to convince him before but it didn't work. So, I let him read me as scum becuz i am not sure about him either.

And right now there are better options like Seanald, Despo.... should be dying!!!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4158 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:09 am

In post 463, Nero Cain wrote:yea, that reason sucks but you're still a freshman and I could see that coming from newtown. Welp, back to OS.

vote:OS

But I also echo Nacho here, if OS flips scum then you need death.

In post 467, Nero Cain wrote:RYU defending OS hard here...

In post 515, Nero Cain wrote:Note to self: OS doesn't comment on Mollie's huge deflect

I didn't like that Nero's push on OS came with so many "ignoring him? you must be scum with him" remarks. It's essentially discrediting everyone who goes against the wagon; I liked his push on me a lot better and he didn't bring up all that shit when pulling it, but that could also be because multiball and he thought he might have caught me out as scum. The strength of the read and how long it carried on doesn't really make sense, though; his case on me was for questioning him on the mollie third party comments, and that scumread has stuck until now.

In post 1377, Nero Cain wrote:I think ya'lls vote on Nacho was rather opportunistic. Nacho already had 3 votes on him. You laid down a 4th vote supposedly oblivious to the budding Nacho wagon, which is something that seems like it would be easy to fake. And then when I call you on it you minorly flip out and pull out the "hey look over there" defense by telling me that I should look at bcade.

In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2395, Seanald wrote:
In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oversoul

Le't do this.

In post 2376, Syryana wrote:
In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:Le't do this.
VOTE: Oversoul

In post 2377, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: Oversoul

In post 2378, Cephrir wrote:K.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.
This, but its also likely multiball so OS could still be scum.

+ its OS and I'd love to lynch that.

But considering the strength of Nero's scumread against me, I find it strange as fuck that he keeps on jumping on people who were unlikely buddies with me. I also have no idea where the multiball assertion came from (completely out of nowhere), but his endorsement of an OS wagon while voting me and while people are saying there are likely scum in the OS jump was scummy as fuck.

In post 3189, Nero Cain wrote:you scum? Why would you care about who I fake vig tonight?

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

This was a bullshit line of reasoning and I hate it. Nero accused Arc of being scummy because she wanted to know who he would fake vig and that was rolefishing apparently... I figured he was trolling because the reasoning was so bad, but apparently not.

In post 3398, Nero Cain wrote:Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.

He can vote for mislynches when I'm voting them because it's probably multiball. But when I'm attacking someone he doesn't want me to attack, he can call him town because I'm attacking them. That's convenient as fuck and I don't really see how town-Nero could ever have a thought process like this.

In post 3433, Nero Cain wrote:would I ever do without you? Thank you for telling me what *I* think. I have scum reads on both of you and I'm not picky in who we lynch.

And now he's talking about how his read on Fuzzy is as strong as his read on me, but. He's been voting me the entire game...

In post 3666, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3664, Kublai Khan wrote:I don't think so. Given that they have history, it looks more like scum-Bacde obfuscating any potential read that Nachomamma8 can get on him.
Eh, Nacho looks like scum to me. I guess they could be scum from different teams.

"Not scum together? Multiball."

In post 3693, Nero Cain wrote:

To be clear, he attacked fuzzy for stalling on page 3 and then attacked Hayrena for not scumhunting.

In post 3781, Nero Cain wrote:We aren't shooting or lynching me at all. Bcade and Nacho want me dead for shit all reason and it makes me paranoid.

Nero getting paranoid about me doesn't make sense, considering he's been scumreading me the entire game.

In post 3810, Nero Cain wrote:This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Bacde says that he'll probably suspect Nero if I'm vigged and flipped town, Nero flips the fuck out.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:Yep, my bad. The slot is obvious town 'cause scum NEVER replace out.

Nero's response to me saying that fuzzy being lost was genuine since he replaced out immediately after, and Nero Cain overreacts.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4159 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:10 am

In post 4156, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.

Setup spec, generally useless. Why not wait until we have more information to sort out the neighborhoods? Why is it crucial we focus on them now?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4160 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:15 am

In post 4159, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4156, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.
Setup spec, generally useless. Why not wait until we have more information to sort out the neighborhoods? Why is it crucial we focus on them now?

We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4161 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:17 am

In post 4160, Amethyst Kitty wrote:We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.

This doesn't mean we should focus on the neighbor group.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4162 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:21 am

In post 4161, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4160, Amethyst Kitty wrote:We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.
This doesn't mean we should focus on the neighbor group.

Yeah we should because there's something odd regarding it. I doubt that every group present right here is town/town.

CTD already had suspicions on Slandaar, but hasn't given any new information regarding that.

Despo is acting all weird again and for a few minutes there I was warming up to him being town now he put himself back into a null pile.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4163 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:22 am

In post 4162, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I doubt that every group present right here is town/town.

maybe it is, maybe it isn't
i doubt every person here is town, so maybe we should lynch the scum instead of possibly getting pulled into a mislynch factory? if "they are neighbors and there are scum in the neighbors" comes into play for a reason for lynching them, you're walking down a dangerous path. what do you think of my thoughts on Nero?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4164 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:29 am

I'm waiting for Mara to flesh out the Nero town read.
When she does this then Ill comment on your thoughts.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4165 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:34 am

Is it your Nero townread as well?

ISO · Post Post #4166 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:38 am

Why are you complaining about us not paying attention to the neighbors when we are literally paying attention to the neighbors at this exact moment? Just another 'here's someone else to look at!' I guess. I'm not sure how you look at that group of 6 players and come up with PV as the one you don't have any issues with...

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4167 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:43 am

In post 4166, Cephrir wrote:come up with PV as the one you don't have any issues with...

Agreed with this x10.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4168 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:44 am

Nacho's Nero case is awesome. Nice catch on the D1 multiball comment in particular. Sheep him.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:Yeah 'cause those 2 extra lynches via kill sure wouldn't help town at all. Its not the first time I've been willing to leash a scum (sk?) killing power. Thad is obviously lying/trolling about being a neighbor AND a vig. That last line is fucking horrible.

a) Kills carried out by scum are not extra lynches.
b) You haven't done fuck all to "leash" ThAd until after I called you out.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4169 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:06 am

I actually share AK's desire to sort out the neighborhood issue and I have my suspicions in terms of set-up design, but with caught scum in Nero to lynch and no solid scum reads within the neighborhood (other than ThAd), it's definitely not the right time or place.

The fact that she brings this up now without giving any real insight into the issue herself does strike me as odd.

Desperado · Post Post #4170 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:19 am

In post 4154, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 4133, Desperado wrote:
Vote: Amethyst Kitty
AK is not dying today.. Seanald is today's lynch!!!
Stop pushing counter wagons!!!!!!!!

Seanald is only today's lynch because I told you it was, so I think I'll push whatever wagon I want

In post 4156, Amethyst Kitty wrote:What I don't understand is why we aren't looking for scum in these three claimed neighborhoods.

We have:

Seanald / Despo

CTD / Slandaar

Pv / ThAd

I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.

This was already discussed as well. Are you sure you're reading the thread?

My point is Nacho that I can sometimes pull information from town AND scum lynches. In fact I know I can because I have done it multiple times when I was a vig and was accurate.
So I'm different when people say we can't pull information from possible town flips because it's wrong - people are able to pull information from them, but they need to know how it's done correctly.

I never said you can't get information from town flips. I said

Seanald's town flip

would not give us any information because is not being championed by anyone right now. No one has disagreed with a Seanald lynch.

I've asked you before so I'll ask again: what will a Seanald town flip tell us?

@Despo:

I was eating lunch when I posted earlier and kept wanting to throw my phone across the wall because it kept sticking and I couldn't type anything right. I think my replacement screen is fucked up right now.

ok

What is this in reference to?

In post 4160, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4159, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4156, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.
Setup spec, generally useless. Why not wait until we have more information to sort out the neighborhoods? Why is it crucial we focus on them now?
We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.

Not only is this 100% IIoA but you don't even answer Nacho's question. Why do we need to focus on the neighborhoods now?

And why did you put quotes around "testing?"

In post 4162, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4161, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4160, Amethyst Kitty wrote:We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.
This doesn't mean we should focus on the neighbor group.
Yeah we should because there's something odd regarding it. I doubt that every group present right here is town/town.

CTD already had suspicions on Slandaar, but hasn't given any new information regarding that.

Despo is acting all weird again and for a few minutes there I was warming up to him being town now he put himself back into a null pile.

"There's something odd" are you serious?

And whatever am I going to do now that I've worked my way back into your vague "there's something weird about Desperado" read?

In post 4168, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nacho's Nero case is awesome. Nice catch on the D1 multiball comment in particular. Sheep him.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:Yeah 'cause those 2 extra lynches via kill sure wouldn't help town at all. Its not the first time I've been willing to leash a scum (sk?) killing power. Thad is obviously lying/trolling about being a neighbor AND a vig. That last line is fucking horrible.
a) Kills carried out by scum are not extra lynches.
b) You haven't done fuck all to "leash" ThAd until after I called you out.

Yeah it is really good.

Unvote
Vote: Nero Cain

Bacde · Post Post #4171 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:27 am

if thAd shoots CTD I'ma be pissed

I actually want to sheep nacho's Nero Cain read right now

VOTE: Nero Cain

Hey I just sheeped you

and this is crazy

but here's my vote now

so call me lazy

ffullisade · Post Post #4172 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:28 am

Words cannot express my relief about acquiring a nacho-town read.

VOTE: Nero Cain

- f

Bacde · Post Post #4173 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:28 am

If Nero flips town then maybe blue scum is the only scum in the game and both Seanald and Nacho are in it

I don't think thats the case though

Desperado · Post Post #4174 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:32 am

ffullisade and nacho:

Can I get your opinions on the seanald case?