The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Nexus]

Also Venmar's vote reasoning was, imo, awful, and I think he's trying to buddy with Reck.

the fact that I think KA is scum is neither here nor there - it's an easy vote time for scum to hop on to be a part of the wagon.

[Tierce]

Also Venmar's vote reasoning was, imo, awful, and I think he's trying to buddy with Reck.

Ding!

The reasoning seemed unnecessarily overdone.

[Tierce]

However, Dekes gets scum points for attacking lurkers, especially this early in the game. I also really don't like how he chose to keep voting for a "lurker" rather than voting for Nacho or Apple, both of whom he has called scummy in the same post. On a logical level, that makes no sense to me.

Also this, which was what raised flags and caused me to look more deeply. Nacho had said much the same thing already; Venmar is parroting stronger players.

[Amrun]

Yupyup. It's also a trend -- he's been buddying Reck all game, following his votes and jokes, etc. One of the reasons I suspect him.

But KA needs more deaths.

p-edit: Somehow skimmed over that one, though it is valid.

[Metal Sonic]

Who's that nut job that accuses the guy with 2 posts to be scum?

[BROseidon]

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

It was his lack of posting content and not engaging with what is going on in the thread around him.

^ I was about to say the same thing

VOTE: BROseidon

You only brought up that my post pinged after Reck did? And it's not like you didn't read my post, given that you'd already addressed a question to me.

broguy cos that post looks like a shitty awkward early bus post. but hey I will take the vote cos I am pretty sure about nacho.

Cool you can be the person I sheep early because I think that my usual "sheep Nacho" strategy is probably bad this game.

mollie what do you think about apple?

Amrun, Generic, Tierce, Tammy, Reck, Mollie, AV, Ank, Venmar town

This is the Nacho that I'm used to seeing.

I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day).

What do you think of the contexts of both of those games, and how those might affect my participation?

Oh look MS being MS. You can be town for now.

Nexus you can also be town can you not ask for an MS lynch now he's just being himself.

Points on Venmar seem valid, but I want to verify that what Tierce said is correct when I have time later.

Going to UNVOTE: Nacho for now. I am feeling less bad about Nacho and think KA is a better lynch to pursue. I think he's at L-2 right now but I'm really tired and would rather not accidentally hammer in case I missed anything so I guess I'll just say intent to hammer should he be at L-1 or should someone else put him there.

[Tamuz]

globalpost.
I'm back in and for some reason can only get on this site via proxy

Catching up or something

I've seriously been trying for multiple days straight to get on and though the whole site was down until I started getting prod emails, wtf.

[Tamuz]

ankamius pushing a flavour. I really don't like that, but I'm unsure what to label it

Good point somewhere in there, I don't recall from who. We REALLY should try lynching Andrius.

Vote Andrius

If I weren't voting Andrius I'd be voting Metal Sonic or Ankamius

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%.

I can't for the love of god remember why I said frustrated. Go ahead and lynch me for it.

Lol I have no control. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Terrible Posts. but Anti-town != Pro-scum

It's actually the word I use to explain how to pronounce it, so don't worry.

Its not tiɛɹʧə ?
I'm disappointed

Tammuz bothers me on a twitch level.

One m, I'm not a Jewish Month I'm an homage to the Spanish inquisition.

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

Nah uh I don't.

and yeah, scum do it, but it's a bit early to grab the pitchforks for lurkers

Its always too early true lurking is not scummy.

Who's that nut job that accuses the guy with 2 posts to be scum?

Holy crap your posts are awful and defensive against all but completely nothing.

[Dekes]

are you missing faraday? I am.

faraday totally isn't in this game
i wanted to wait to break the news to you but I thought it wasn't a good time

jesus christ I have a spreadsheet and should know he isn't playing

why the fuck did I think he was

Because he roamed the sign-up thread and because everybody thinks/dreams about him every now and then. It's just natural.

I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day).

What do you think of the contexts of both of those games, and how those might affect my participation?

Two games? I only mentioned one? Anyway I'd expect similar participation in this game, though I know later play styles can differ from newbie games, but I always get uncomfortable when I see people posting regularly in all of their games on multipe days while ignoring one particular one.

Going to UNVOTE: Nacho for now. I am feeling less bad about Nacho and think KA is a better lynch to pursue. I think he's at L-2 right now but I'm really tired and would rather not accidentally hammer in case I missed anything so I guess I'll just say intent to hammer should he be at L-1 or should someone else put him there.

You think this day has given you sufficient info to end it right now?

How is that a valid reason to attempt to cut off a wagon at its ankles?

Because I saw the light and the light said that the KillerApple wagon was bad. He reminds me of a player who I played a newbie game with who sort of had a tendency to self-destruct and I saw a flash of similarities. I don't like to press newbies when they're going to self-destruct, especially when we can read them when they have room and there are a whole bunch of

other scum

to catch out.

Slip? Yeah, yeah I know....
Regardless, I'd like to hear this whole bunch. Apart from your town list and your not attacking the lurker that leaves me and who else?
Also I don't agree with treating Newbies with kid gloves here. This ain't the Road to Rome. You don't have to be an asshole but I see no problem with people pressuring the weak to get results.
What's your impression of KA before he imploded?

I don't get the dekes vote and you seem really scattered.

I am scattered. I didn't like Dekes setting up to jump on the Apple wagon while calling active people scummy and then going lurker hunting when he first jumped in the thread. The fact that he followed posts showed that he was looking to attack lurkers from the get go, and it's just so easy to attack a low activity player and then jump onto the big wagon, and it lets him gauge the tide of things before hopping on. So I don't like him and I want him to die.

Actually, the tide of things had already come and passed when I posted, there was no need for gauging and it would've been easier for me to jump on KA's wagon because the evidence was all there. And it's not like I avoided the wagons, in fact, most of my initial post was about KA and you. It's just I'm undecided about KA and you can actually be town, I think. I don't feel the need to vote one of the wagons for the sake of recognition.

Too many quotes, I know.

I like the case on Venmar and I'd be down for that one though. I like Nexus much better now and I get a rash in weird places when I see Sonic's posts. BRO's posts don't feel genuine and I get a couple of good vibes here and there.

Unvote

VOTE: Venmar

[Ankamius]

Damn it, we're already starting with the walls.

[Generic]

Hey, Generic.

The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Oi.

Have mercy on the non-native, my English curled up in horror halfway through this. Can you rephrase it?

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Venmar

Amrun--what games have you played with Nacho before?

What do you want from me? If someone just says "player Xis town" and doesn't given any reason why I find it cockiness/arrogance/self sure on a high scale. It's like saying they don't need to say anymore be ause it should be obvious, but that hides potentially having no case at all for it and the only reason to be able to say it is they already know who is town... And only one type of player knows that for certain.

[KillerApple]

Whoah. Nacho, that was totally unexpected. I want to call you town now so much now, but you might just be super experienced scum

@Amrun- I think I've played like 5 or 6 games. WAY different from here, though. You guys actually communicate, which is good. I've gotten lynched 3 times on D1 as town. Can't imagine why

Good point somewhere in there, I don't recall from who. We REALLY should try lynching Andrius.

Vote Andrius

Who did you mean to type here?

BROseidon, you are so scummy but since my one vote isn't helping anything... UNVOTE: BROseidon

And for some reason Metal Sonic is mad that I tried to call him out for lurking. Possible scum here.

Oh and Dekes might be town I think.

[BROseidon]

Two games? I only mentioned one? Anyway I'd expect similar participation in this game, though I know later play styles can differ from newbie games, but I always get uncomfortable when I see people posting regularly in all of their games on multipe days while ignoring one particular one

I meant that game and this one. How might you expect the speed at which a game moves to affect my participation in it? How might you expect number of games played simultaneously to affect it (I was only in my newbie game at the time, whereas currently I am alive in 5 other games)?

[Venmar]

I came in to read this page and almost rage quit.

[xRECKONERx]

Apple backed down from his vote once pressure was applied. Fire away, people.

Oh and whoever is trying to lynch the mod needs to die too

[KillerApple]

No. I unvoted because the vote wasn't going anywhere and I need some time to think. I could care less how much pressure you apply. It makes no difference to me.

[xRECKONERx]

You should because you're gonna die & your buddies won't be very happy

[Generic]

Whoah. Nacho, that was totally unexpected. I want to call you town now so much now, but you might just be super experienced scum

@Amrun- I think I've played like 5 or 6 games. WAY different from here, though. You guys actually communicate, which is good. I've gotten lynched 3 times on D1 as town. Can't imagine why

Good point somewhere in there, I don't recall from who. We REALLY should try lynching Andrius.

Vote Andrius

Who did you mean to type here?

BROseidon, you are so scummy but since my one vote isn't helping anything... UNVOTE: BROseidon

And for some reason Metal Sonic is mad that I tried to call him out for lurking. Possible scum here.

Oh and Dekes might be town I think.

But this is again contradictory. You think a player is scum, yet because you werent able to sell it to the rest you unvoted. You say your one vote isnt helping anything, that feels like a self image comment, but if I'm wrong please correct me.

[KillerApple]

Actually Generic, I thought about it and BROseidon is town. 80% of the time when people post scummy things D1 they are town. And my D1 reads are usually off for scum. Currently scanning to see who is deserving of a vote. It amazes me how town you are though.

@Reck- You got me. Nacho and Nexus won't be too happy. It's so obvious, right? Nacho is trying to help me out so his buddy doesn't get lynched. Nexus and I both accused each other of being scum to distance ourselves early. Looks like an easy town win is coming up. But in all seriousness, my town read on you is slowly fading away.

[Amrun]

Oh my God, did you just say that people who look scummy in day 1 are not scum and that's why you unvoted?

This wedding isn't red enough for me.

[KillerApple]

I did say that. If you look really closely at post #243 you'll see it. There has to be at least one scum on my wagon, and BROseidon ain't on it. Probably someone who I think is town is scum. It could even be you.

[Nachomamma8]

And when KA flip town, I'm your designated shepherd? Sounds like a deal to me.

I'll trade you lynch for lynch.

And ruin my perfect town win for no reason?

KA said he has a mafia record off-site, so I think he has potential to be confident scum in any case. Not to mention Newb scum do dumb things :/

This is fitting the player to the read. No wonder people don't like you this game, Venny.

If I weren't voting Andrius I'd be voting Metal Sonic or Ankamius

What are you doing?

Regardless, I'd like to hear this whole bunch. Apart from your town list and your not attacking the lurker that leaves me and who else?

Tamuz, maybe BRO. No one else, really.

Also I don't agree with treating Newbies with kid gloves here. This ain't the Road to Rome. You don't have to be an asshole but I see no problem with people pressuring the weak to get results.

I treat everyone with kid gloves when they implode because it's extraordinarily easy to mislynch someone when they're being irrational and crazy, and some people respond to pressure better than others. It's just a different approach; if you don't mind people being rough, why do you care about people being gentle?

What's your impression of KA before he imploded?

What's my read of the guy that I think is town before he made that post I thought was town?
Ummm...

[KillerApple]

Okay so one of these 5 people from post 203 has to be scum since there is always at least one scum on a wagon:

KillerApple [5] - Ankamius, Amrun, xReckonerx, Venmar, Generic

Ankamius was was first, and I think he is town. Generic is town. Unsure about Reck and Amrun. So that leaves Venmar. His posts are scummy and he should be lynched.

VOTE: Venmar

[Venmar]

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

yo you do look a lot less town than everyone else on that wagon