Newbie 1387 - Game Over

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not dense enough to call somebody town for no reason, btw.
The town-case will come soon when I have motivation.

But it won't be today because today I'm (productive) trolling everyone.

[waynegg]

I meant Frequeny as the name frequency.

Right. But you de facto agreed there are similarities in Pope's scum style and what he's doing here and that the deflection was scummy, because that's what my question was about and you corrected me that you were saying you didn't agree with me about Frequency.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't know what you were thinking but all I did in that post was disagreeing with your opinion regarding Frequency.

[waynegg]

I'm not dense enough to call somebody town for no reason, btw.
The town-case will come soon when I have motivation.

But it won't be today because today I'm (productive) trolling everyone.

So, you use White Knight to troll for reaction? Is that what you're saying?

[GuyInFreezer]

No.

[TheIrishPope]

Man, wayne is high
This game is not about individuals man
Stop being egocentric

[waynegg]

I don't know what you were thinking but all I did in that post was disagreeing with your opinion regarding Frequency.

My question (that you apparently still haven't responded to then) had to do with my points on Pope where he deflected to the nearest wagon when he was feeling heat. And what you thought about his meta I dragged from other games. I was past Frequency. I know ESL, but could you finally answer that question. I spent about twenty minutes ISOing to make that post for you to respond to and feel a bit cheated now.

[GuyInFreezer]

He's town so why bother?

P-Edit: pretty sure I responded.

[waynegg]

I'll even make it easy for you, GiF

Hate to admit this, but wayne is Town
He's too dumb to be scum
And I know when people fake dumbness
I won a fucking game thanks to that
So yeah, wayne is Town
So let's vote MP5 and put him at L-1
VOTE: MP5

I'm not going to answer your puppy question
Deal with it

Not the deflection I'm talking about. I'm talking about deflecting your vote to the nearest wagon instead of explaining how you're not scum. Which of course you can't. Any more than you could answer the puppy question now. Because its too late. You're caught.

So, are you bussing MP5 or is someone else your scum partner? I'm thinking someone else, but I would like to hear it from you.

I'll have to just simply agree with wayne on this one. Something is very suspicious about deflecting to the wagon and then trying to call for someone to bring it to L-1. Why are you so eager to get someone so close to a lynch TIP? We have 11 days to come to a decision.

In addition I find it really really suspicious that TIP would dodge the question as though he still thinks that wayne is scum, even though he had unvoted him, indicating that he may now think otherwise.

VOTE: TIP

On the topic of the silly question, I have to say I am not really a dog person (Not really an any kind of pet person either) and couldn't name a breed for the life of me.

Hate to admit this, but wayne is Town
He's too dumb to be scum
And I know when people fake dumbness
I won a fucking game thanks to that
So yeah, wayne is Town
So let's vote MP5 and put him at L-1
VOTE: MP5

...so do you have a reason for voting MP5 or are you just bandwagoning?

We never know if we don't try, SuperMafiaMan. This game is all about risks. Join me.

I'm just going to have to simply say no on this offer. You started TIPping me off as odd recently.

Because I'm here to play Mafia, not saying what kind of puppy I am
Now unvote me

This demand for an unvote is very suspicious. At the time it was just one vote from wayne. Why did you turn aggressive towards a single vote when everyone else seems too timid to follow in wayne's footsteps or too distracted in pursuing MP5?

And then there is your very odd dodging of wayne's very simple question. In what way would it benefit you to dodge a silly question if you are town? If anything it brings in more communication and provides a nice bit of entertainment for everyone.

And then of course there is this:

Hate to admit this, but wayne is Town
He's too dumb to be scum
And I know when people fake dumbness
I won a fucking game thanks to that
So yeah, wayne is Town
So let's vote MP5 and put him at L-1
VOTE: MP5

It also seems very suspicious that you would want to hop on the nearest wagon and bring someone to L-1. Seems to me like you are trying to deflect the vote pressure off of you again like you did when you asked for wayne to unvote, but this time in an attempt to harm town more by either forcing a PR roleclaim so you know who to hit Night 1 or forcing him to claim Vanilla Townie (which

w

could be the truth, but we as town have no way of telling resulting in a mislynch and therefore a lost day and an increased chance of hitting a PR night 1.

Another thing we must consider is that TIP might be distancing himself from his scum buddy in asking for this L-1. I find this highly unlikely but still possible.

Dem prods
UNVOTE: MP5
Unvoting because I lost interest in this wagon
VL, why the huh?

This is pretty much the whole conversation surround that specific topic. There were some side conversations, but this is it on his deflecting I believe.

1. He was getting plenty of pressure on him

2. He casts a vote to the nearest wagon at that time and immediately pushes to get MP5 to L-1

3. He can't give any logical reason why he voted other than to get a claim (more on that in a minute)

4. He unvotes because he "lost interest in this wagon"

That tells me he voted to deflect pressure off him for no reason other than to deflect attention from him. Then once he sees that isn't working out he unvotes for a vote he obviously had no conviction with in the first place. All of which is self motivated and very scummy.

[GuyInFreezer]

@al: I have a game where self-votes were town tells and they ended up all being town.
Interested to read?

P-Edit: I know how to ISO, tyvm.

[TheIrishPope]

Walls walls walls walls
Repent, for I am Town

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway

Those are typical weak-against-pressure flailing, and not necessarily scumtell.
That's why I wanted to check TIP's games earlier. (And I forgot to.)

[GuyInFreezer]

TIP, reads plz.

[Alstroemeria]

Probably best to ignore anything TIP says that's off topic. It just clutters the thread up.

Updated reads, in no order:

TheIrishPope

: Either VI or scum.

waynegg

: Probably town.

GuyInFreezer

: Hm. Scummy... but I don't have reason to suspect that he's actually scum. Yet. It'll depend on how Mara flips if lynched.

FakeGod

: Leaning town, although I'd like to see more.

Mara:

Needs to post more.

SuperMafiaMan:

Town. Ish... but same as above.

Everyone else: I either forgot or they need to post more.

I'm in favor of lynching TIP unless we find somebody better. If nothing else it'll clear the waters, make the pool of suspects smaller, and it's a far better idea than a No Lynch. As for the reasoning behind the Mara/GIF relationship, I'd like to wait until I get a proper read on Mara before before I present that.

Preview edit: Unless it's relevant to this setup, no.

[Alstroemeria]

Sorry, that first bit was addressed at waynegg's #349.

[GuyInFreezer]

You have a "probably" townread on wayne after you points out his TOWNSLIP?

[GuyInFreezer]

point out*

[waynegg]

True. He'd make one hell of a Jester though...

[GuyInFreezer]

GuyInFreezer: Hm. Scummy... but I don't have reason to suspect that he's actually scum. Yet. It'll depend on how Mara flips if lynched.

This line wants me to change my vote and slam it on him.

Too bad I only have 1 vote.

[waynegg]

Anyone want an easy, all but guaranteed town win?

[GuyInFreezer]

FakeGod

: Leaning town, although I'd like to see more.

Mara:

Needs to post more.

SuperMafiaMan:

Town. Ish... but same as above.

Also lookie here.

3 people who he claims that posted less.
Gives townreads on them except for Mara.
Why not Mara?

[GuyInFreezer]

It's Mara/Al, isn't it.

[Alstroemeria]

You have a "probably" townread on wayne after you points out his TOWNSLIP?

No, it's just semantics. That should just be "Town".

I tend to type in a noncommittal manner when it involves something I'm not absolutely sure about. I'm trying to get out of the habit (particularly for Mafia), but that's how it is.

[TheIrishPope]

Alright, so, SMM didn't post, and your read of him changed
The feck?

Alstro is scum
GIF is null
That's it

[waynegg]

It's Mara/Al, isn't it.

You

are

good with the WIFOM. I'll give you that