Newbie 1382 (Game Over)

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Vote Count 3.3

notscience (2)

: Kattaze, Mr. Flay

rmpeacoc (1)

: JerryArr

No Vote (4)

: notquitethere, notscience, rmpeacoc, Xiao Long

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Thursday, July 4 at 6:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-07-04 18:00:00).

[notscience]

Hi

Looks like I replace into yet another hot seat

Lucky me.

Will catch up and post reads and etc later if I get hammered before them I will kill whoever does so brutally with the wrath of a thousand jehova's witnesses.

[JerryArr]

RM, I'll remove my vote on you, and drop me saying anything about you suggesting a lynch on yourself if your next post is hunting scum, and contains nothing about lynching you.

Sorry to see that you're going Jon, good luck. Welcome, notscience!

[rmpeacoc]

I'm sorry that you can only see things that you don't like, however I have outted my reads. If I had more to say at this point I would say it.

However bribing me for content that YOU like in exchange for removing your vote is extra stupid. If you think I'm scum leave your vote up. If you think I've done something to change your mind then remove your vote. it's that simple.

[notscience]

Fear/Kat- This slot is so town it hurts. P. much all I can say, and inb4 someone says "omg buddying the person leading your wagon omg." No, they've been scumhunting, Kat had a REALLY good wall post about not lynching lort, and that really read well on me. Tunneling is townie imo, even if it's a bit misguided xd.

Flay- Overall he's done pretty pro-town things. Katta's idea or whoever it was that he was scum also seemed farfetch'd. Another thing- Either he is a town cleaned by pitoli, or rm is scum convicted. I'll say that in both and will provide proof of Flay's if you want it.

Jerry- Pretty good imo, I can see his points fairly, nice scumhunting, etc etc. Take a townread.

nqt- Hey look guys I found scum. He has so much fluff, he sheep'd Katta's case on my slot without anything to add, he has been jumping back and forth in votes ohsomuch, has been sittin g in the backround, etc etc etc. He bounces back and forth between Katta and my slot being scum, so when one of us flips town he can immediately find a place to sit on the other one. Also his last post, he's going to present "his" case on me when he is sheeping someone else. Scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

RM- so much fluff it's unbearable. I look back to my point in Flay's ISO, pitoli insp'd one of them, I'm almost sure. It would account for the sudden tunneling on rmp D2. The whole "I'm okay with being lynched" is desperate scum rather than town. Declaring intent to hammer with 8 days left is scum, then saying "hurrdurr I might not hamer yet depending" just means he can hammer after the claim and then once I flip town say "well he didn't appease me"

Xiao is null because any case against him would be mainly because his attitude and playstyle bugs me and that detracts.

VOTE: NQT

Lets go folks.

[rmpeacoc]

ugh

Can you please use real sentencces? I can barely comprehend what you are saying.

'I look back to my point in Flay's ISO, pitoli insp'd one of them' --- WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

Also yes I declared intent to hammer... how many days are left doesn't matter. I never said I was going to wait till the end to hammer... however I don't condone hammering without a claim or without hearing someone out.

Also I'm a her. Thanks.

Regardless I'm still cool with lynching you at this point. You could have said a lot more, and you definitely could have used some support as in quotes and such. I'd like to hear more before I make a final decision.

[notscience]

This above post is as follows

"I hate how you post"

"I am a girl"

"STill want to end this day early"

Look at what I said. Pitoli checked one of you. So, either you're confscum or he's conftown.

[Xiao Long]

Hey, Notscience, welcome to the game.

Can you point out what makes you think Pitoli investigated Flay on night 1? The other theory is that she investigate me or Rmp.

Also, is there anything about me you find scummy/towny that doesn't have to do with playstyle?

RMP: Why are you okay with lynching him at this point? There's nothing inherently wrong with his post, and I agree more or less with his reads. If you think him scum, vote for him. It wouldn't be a hammer. <.<

[rmpeacoc]

I'll vote when I want to, not by the pressure of others.

notscience... I did not think of the term 'insp'd' as 'inspected'... I thought of it as inspired, which was why I was confused. WRITE THE WORD OUT and I won't get confused next time. K? Thanks.

Xiao... I think a lot of his reads are convenient... and part of it makes me think Jerry could certainly be scum and it would make sense if they were a team. It's also convenient that he has a null read on you, the only one who wasn't voting him/giving intent to hammer other than Jerry.

I said I was 'cool' with lynching him, not 'lets lynch him'. I still would like for some people to take a look at Jerry at this point.

[notscience]

Nah, I like insp'd more.

Okay, so look at Pitoli's first post of Day 2. "This lack of lynch is on me, and I think my posts made Flay think it to be twilight"

Why would she say that? What is the need of the second half?

And no Xiao, mostly your playstyle befuddles me some >.<

I love the associative tells going on without a flip.

I really don't care what you think of me there, scum. Go ahead and vote me, actual town will be trying to lynch the scum.

[Mr. Flay]

UNVOTE: notscience - reading.

[rmpeacoc]

actual town will be trying to lynch the scum.

ALL OF THE TOWN except for the possibility of 2 were on you. What does that mean? It means that 2 or more of the players who planned to lynch you (including myself that makes 4) were town. That's at least half of town, if not more. So does that make you scum?

[Mr. Flay]

Read. notscience has an odd linguistic style but I can't argue with the logic therein. Welcome back to the Townread.

I'm very curious if you have more to your theory on me being pitoli's investigative target. We pretty much discounted the rmp=foundscum based on wishy-washy. Is that the ISO post you're talking about??

I'm about ready to call her bluff and vote rmpeacoc. Post 579 looks like stalling from someone who just saw her scumteam nailed.

[Mr. Flay]

Oh CHRIST. I just figured out why nqt was obsessed with hypotheticals. I'm an idiot.

VOTE: notquitethere - die Roleblocking scum.

[rmpeacoc]

Why are you not explaining more Flay? I'd like to what what you're thinking in more depth please.

[Mr. Flay]

Mainly because I'm about to go to bed to get on a plane to go to a funeral.

But partly because I want to see if other people can work it out. It's not hard, I promise, and I explained the core of my case.

[notscience]

First of all, yes, I will take responsibility for the miscount and failing to hammer. I'm assuming Flay (since he promised to hammer too), just looked at my words to Lortaku and assumed we were in twilight.

I'm really really sorry guys.

Look at the parenthesis. Looks to me like she's not accusing you of being scum. Looks like she knows you're town and is covering you.

[notscience]

The way I see it, she checked you D1. She found you scum, she'd yell at you for not hammering. She found you town, she takes credit for it. Also helped her stay in the null for not-hammering.

[notscience]

Oh CHRIST. I just figured out why nqt was obsessed with hypotheticals. I'm an idiot.

VOTE: notquitethere - die Roleblocking scum.

He's obsessed because he asked hypos about PRs in an attempt to guage reactions and find said prs.

Wa.wa.waaaaaaaaaa.

Lets get this scum lynched please.

[JerryArr]

You know what? I kind of like

RMP

standing up to me. I didn't expect that, and I don't know if scum would straight-up reject that. I would have unvoted if you had done what I'd've asked, but I think I will
UNVOTE: . Still a bit scummy, but not as far and away as she was before.

I'm really liking

notscience

taking charge when his slot was under scrutiny and not just randomly accepting the general reads of town. Slot is out of my scumreads.

Flay

's sudden realization, I think, makes all the sense. I feel kinda dumb for not seeing it until now, but going back, it's hitting me in the face.

VOTE: notquitethere,

L-1

. Claim, please.

[rmpeacoc]

please don't claim till someone expresses intent... i'm just saying i don't want people run up to a claim and then to claim a pr and then unvote. someone needs to express intent to hammer first.

[JerryArr]

I was about to post that maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to claim yet, for the reason RM says, and because I'm sure scum would love to know who the doctor is.

[Kattaze]

Everyone, you are being stupid. Just because jon has been replaced doesn't make all the scummy stuff he's done go away. Him and notscience are THE SAME ROLE. I know it seems unfair to vote for notscience since he's new to the game but it really doesn't make any sense to forget everything that had been revealed about that slot.

Honestly, if you all can't see the way he's manipulating your reads, you should think about his play in these terms "what would Scum!notscience do in this position"? The answer is pretty much exactly what he's done, agree with the case against his predecessor (because its infallible) but at the same time try to distance himself from jon (Katta is misguided etc - #579). Then he made a false dichotomy with Mr. Flay and RMP saying pitoli must have investigated one and if that one was Mr. Flay she got a town read. This is ridiculous given how convincing the reasoning is that she investigated Xiao on N1 and got a town verdict.

Then he has gone and heaped dirt on NQT, whose posting has been solid all day, and you have all gone and followed him (ie: followed the slot who, up until jon left, you were satisfied was scum!) Seriously people think about the motivations of people's actions PLEASE!

Also find it funny how Mr. Flay took the first opportunity to stop bussing his scum buddy and has now magically become convinced that notscience is town (#588). Flay also jumped on the new bandwagon way too quickly, which heightens my suspicions that he and jon/notscience are scum buddies.

Can you all look at this:

For my last reads I'd look into Kattaze, he hasn't had any heat at all, all game. I've kinda cooled a bit on Jerry, but that'll be for you all to decide.

I've said before that I will look extremely scummy if jon flips town. I'm happy to take that heat but I know it won't happen because he'll flip scum. Please let us lynch this slot today for all the relational tells it will provide.

Apart from pretty much confirming my status, it will either clear or confirm NQT:

nqt- Hey look guys I found scum. He has so much fluff, he sheep'd Katta's case on my slot without anything to add, he has been jumping back and forth in votes ohsomuch, has been sittin g in the backround, etc etc etc. He bounces back and forth between Katta and my slot being scum, so when one of us flips town he can immediately find a place to sit on the other one. Also his last post, he's going to present "his" case on me when he is sheeping someone else. Scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If notscience flips scum (which he will) there's no doubt that NQT is town. You can't tell me that scum would try to heap dirt on a player who wasn't under any suspicion, right before being lynched themselves. It would be pretty much as anti-win condition as you could play.

tl;dr: Please don't get distracted by notscience and don't forget all the scum-tells that jon gave us. We need to lynch him since it will confirm NQT and me as town and pretty much confirm my personal suspicions that Flay is his scumbuddy. notscience is scum, I'm so sure that it's killing me you all can't see it!

Scum are notscience and Mr. Flay/very small chance of being Jerry

Town is everyone else. Just trust me on this one for once and if I'm wrong I will no doubt be lynched tomorrow.

[Kattaze]

You can't tell me that scum would try to heap dirt

on a player

who wasn't under any suspicion, right before being lynched themselves. It would be pretty much as anti-win condition as you could play.

EBWOP: The bolded bit is meant to read:

on a fellow scum player

[Xiao Long]

Oh CHRIST. I just figured out why nqt was obsessed with hypotheticals. I'm an idiot.

VOTE: notquitethere - die Roleblocking scum.

I've been saying his hypotheticals were scummy all game and you only hop on it when Notscience looks like he's cleared (and after he votes NQT)?

First of all, yes, I will take responsibility for the miscount and failing to hammer. I'm assuming Flay (since he promised to hammer too), just looked at my words to Lortaku and assumed we were in twilight.

I'm really really sorry guys.

Look at the parenthesis. Looks to me like she's not accusing you of being scum. Looks like she knows you're town and is covering you.

Some of the biggest reaching I can imagine. I can barely see where you're coming from with this. Looks like an effort to clear scum buddy.

You know what? I kind of like

RMP

standing up to me. I didn't expect that, and I don't know if scum would straight-up reject that. I would have unvoted if you had done what I'd've asked, but I think I will
UNVOTE: . Still a bit scummy, but not as far and away as she was before.

At this point in the game, why wouldn't scum stand up like that? They've managed to get away two days of not being lynched, and they've killed our cop.

Honestly, if you all can't see the way he's manipulating your reads, you should think about his play in these terms "what would Scum!notscience do in this position"? The answer is pretty much exactly what he's done, agree with the case against his predecessor (because its infallible) but at the same time try to distance himself from jon (Katta is misguided etc - #579). Then he made a false dichotomy with Mr. Flay and RMP saying pitoli must have investigated one and if that one was Mr. Flay she got a town read. This is ridiculous given how convincing the reasoning is that she investigated Xiao on N1 and got a town verdict.

Thank God someone sees it like I do.

Then he has gone and heaped dirt on NQT, whose posting has been solid all day, and you have all gone and followed him

As much as I thought NQT was scum in D1, I kind of have to agree here.

I've said before that I will look extremely scummy if jon flips town. I'm happy to take that heat

I'm not so sure. I think if Notscience flips town, a NQT lynch would be in order before your lynch.

VOTE: Notscience