Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Selkies]

I mean, let's think about GCBC's logic for a minute

he claims that he did not get a result on us after targeting us last night. we deny that we dreamwalked.

So first off

Selkies, you dreamwalked last night, right? This is of HUGE importance. If you did we've got confoscum, I'm pretty damn sure.

~BC

if we did dreamwalk, who the fuck is confscum? esp. since dreamwalking isn't necessarily an exclusively town action

secondly, how does his not getting a result make us scum? he's saying that "oh yes you dreamwalked but you said that you didn't"

well hello that's fucking stupid. if we were scum and dreamwalked, why wouldn't we own up to fucking dreamwalking. it's not something that's alignment indicative and probably even gives us towncred. especially since GCBC completely fucked up that claim with "oh yeah hurr durr tell me you dreamwalked we have confscum". Well, sure, I can tell you that I dreamwalked, and then you can go off and find your 'confscum' lmao.

thirdly,

why the bloody fuck is he not even considering the possibility of a RB

I mean, hello

[Selkies]

Does anyone here have mod-meta on ceph? I'm starting to wonder if fakeclaims here are VI-type as in "ask the mod when you're ready for one, and then you get it in a few hours" as that would certainly explain what is going on with the repeated refusals to claim from demon.

we tried this a long time ago and if you were actually town you could go check out cephrir's modded games and find out that there is nothing prior to this with flavor or anything that would require mod help in a fakeclaim

[Selkies]

Because I don't remember people, aside from Amrun and Demon, that actually pushed my lynch really, really Hard. Swords advocated for my lynch I think, and so did Thad and I'm pretty sure more people were pushing for me to get lynched

Demon? Pushing your lynch?

He voted you twice and then left it there, useless shit that he is

Amrun and thAd already flipped town so obviously that doesn't work. Swords is pretty much conftown from where we're sitting.

yeah, I remember hard-boiled and I remember you not trying to back down from the 1v1 either.

Scenario here is different than the Scenario there.

Just stop trying to 1v1 me when you're scum and i'm town it doesn't work

the 1/2 of the player base didn't post yet was an exaggeration, but my point is there.

no it isn't

I had a nullish read on beli for the majority of the game, and the fact that I have stronger scum reads make him possible town

so you don't have a town read on beli.

Funny how you comment on how I got my town-read on Beli and not Nero when I had treated them both the same the entire game

Belisarius-Null
Nero Cain-town-lean

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 3.2

Demon 3

(Iecerint, Selkies, GoodCop_BadCop)

Ms Marangal 1

(Belisarius)

Not Voting 4

(Demon, Ms Marangal, sword_of_omens, Nero Cain)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 3 will be Monday, July 8th, 11:59 PM.

[Nero Cain]

I'd actually prefer to hear the claims of the 4 "lurkers" first. In what order they go, I don't care.

[Selkies]

Pick one at random or something. There's a disturbing lack of activity given the circumstances.

[sword_of_omens]

i'll go next...
give me a sec...

[Selkies]

pls hold back the same stuff I'm holding back until Demon claims.

I know I don't

[Selkies]

ugh submit instead of preview

I know I don't *need* to say that, but I gotta.

[sword_of_omens]

Claim:
Elayne Trakand, Town Channeler Inventor DreamWalker

I crumbed here,referencing Queen of Andor:

Ok…first of all

Let me Address the Subjects

, questions,

And/Or

I can invent Ter’Angreal and give them away…

N1 I gave Selkies an A’Dam which redirects
I crumbed to them here:

Selkies, you are a town read of mine,

so if you gave A dam

, you'd be voting with me on Belis instead of voting me...

N2 I did not have any real strong town reads other than Selkies, so I gave Nero (who I was hoping was town) the least powerful of my goodies..a ring which allows him to do something (keeping the specifities quiet for now)

@Selkies- So now you can see why your comment out of nowhere about Nero being town concerned me…
Knowing that I have you as town, and I had just given him something last night.. it seemed pretty coincidental …and it worried me that maybe I was wrong about you and Nero…mostly me being paranoid…


Honestly, I think GCBC might be scum…
I want to wait to see what everybody else claims first though, and then I’ll get into the specifics…


PEDIT: Already covered…

[Selkies]

SoO I left the same crumb in my first post of day 2. I obviously saw yours given my next post after it.

I really can't add much to my reasoning about my part of the Nero Cain read since my last post about it. As far as coincidence goes, in a game with so many PRs they're pretty much inevitable.

Also, haha! I told orcinus the a'Dam meant we probably have an inventor when we got the PM at the start of Day 2.

[Nero Cain]

iece, your up

[Iecerint]

Meh, fine. But Demon had better have a good reason.

I am Moiraine Damodred, Town Channeler 1-shot Motivator

My motivator ability is called Aes Sedai Wisdom. It is a day action. The target is told that they will get a second action during the following night. Flavor says that I lost most ability with the OP during my capture, but others finally listen to me. The motivator 1-shot is NOT One Power, which I had forgotten about until re-checking my PM. My channeler ability says that stuff is OP unless they contradict it (but it doesn't apply to anything).

I targeted Amrun N2 during the first 24 hours of N2 "night" after ThAd flipped. I thought it would be fine because the Doctor would die first. N1 I had thought about targeting Selkies, but I had forgotten that it was a day action at that time, and I missed the 24 hour "twilight" window during Balto.

The fact that I am Moiraine is part of why I disbelieved milkshake's Siuan claim. The characters serve a similar function in the books, except that Siuan is tertiary or quarternary and Moiraine is secondary. I thought it was slightly goofy that they would both be included. I mention the claim (non-specifically) as part of the basis of my vote in both my vote post and in my first post of D2.

I think just Nero and Demon remain. Or if Beli still needs to full-claim, I guess.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Okay selkies. Let's play "What is still worrying me about you, and what is making me feel better" the game. I'm your host, BC.

Issue the first:

Why, upon a re-read, do we have you claiming to have re-directed Demon last night paired with this post from nero cain?

And why do you want to hear from me?

This looks to me like Nero was re-directed last night. Tell me the odds of two re-directs in a single night. Because this doesn't add up. At all.

Issue the second:

I'll admit I've never played watcher before, but my PM did specify that my wolves could not find you, not that they were unable to leave, unable to go hunting, etc. Specifically "can't find her"

Here's what is making me feel better:

Orci FFS stop ruining perfectly good "watch and wait" movements. Demon's role kinda of clears up a huge chunk of this puzzle. I'm well aware it's possible that I was role blocked but now you're gone and given a good claim to demon on a silver platter.

I honestly can't see you hardbussing demon to this extent. If you're town, Demon as a Scum Roleblocker does make sense. Actually, no matter what you are, Demon as roleblocker makes sense. Of course, you won't out who you re-directed him towards so there's that. I really wish you would, or at least "it was you vs. it wasn't you".

So let's talk about these things, please?

[Selkies]

Issue the first - SoO gave Nero a a gift of some kind of ring last night - read his claim. I think Nero thought I gave him the whatchamagig because I was talking about having targeted someone.

I cannot help you with your second issue. I know what we did. If our action on demon affected you I'm clueless as to how.

Do you think it is a good idea for me to say whether we redirected Demon toward you?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Do you think it is a good idea for me to say whether we redirected Demon toward you?

I honestly don't see how it could help scum, but lay it out for me if you think it could.

[Selkies]

The only thing I can see as an issue is that it reduces or increases the moving parts that Demon's claim needs to account for.

[Ms Marangal]

Also, haha! I told orcinus the a'Dam meant we probably have an inventor when we got the PM at the start of Day 2.

???

I thought you didn't know about the flavor?

also, what are the odds that scum are already on Demon's wagon?

because, if they are off, why are they waiting to quicklynch demon if he's town?

[Selkies]

I meant the mafia role "inventor" Mara. I had no idea if there was a story character who was an actual inventor. I'm still not sure.

I've used inventors in game designs before. In only one case was the role assigned to an actual "inventor" and that was Hank Reardon in an Atlas Shrugged game. In other cases the "inventor" was a blacksmith, an artist, and Merlin.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

The only thing I can see as an issue is that it reduces or increases the moving parts that Demon's claim needs to account for.

From my perspective, he's not gonna claim till L-1. He's been at L-2 for over a day I think, and I don't see the town motive in waiting. So at this point, he's probably gonna stall until you out that info or deadline hits anyways.

I think that if you re-directed him onto me, then it would explain my lack of results possibly. SO if you did, that makes you a town read, because as scum you WOULD have taken the easy out on dreamwalking.

[Selkies]

I did not direct him at you.

[Ms Marangal]

... I still don't get how a'Dam means inventor

[Selkies]

... I still don't get how a'Dam means inventor

The name of the device wasn't what made me think inventor. It was receiving an anonymous gift that conveyed a one-shot ability. That's how the mafia inventor role works.

[Selkies]

Wiki page: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Inventor

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Okay then.

Welp....

You're giving so many wrong answers, any of which the opposite would essentially clear you in my mind. Hawk is gonna disagree, but I don't see you passing every single free clear. If this is the 2 trick again i'm gonna be upset but it doesn't feel the same. That said, if there's a roleblocker out there, they need to claim it.

I'm down on Nero being town. But just to be safe I'd like him to clarify that he was in fact talking about the invention thing and not the re-direct thing.

Meta-diving Demon for levels of activity as scum in mylo/lylo/etc positions.