Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[Tammy]

Actually

VOTE: implosion

[Vi]

~Vote Count XXXVIII

Katsuki (3) ~ Zdenek, Tierce, Oversoul
implosion (2) ~ sword_of_omens, Tammy
Tierce (1) ~ Katsuki
fferyllt (1) ~ Amrun

Not Voting:

fferyllt, implosion,

(Amrun, sword_of_omens,)

Syryana,

(Tammy)

--With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
--Deadline is 07:00 EDT on June 29, 2013.

(This is your last day!)

[fferyllt]

Oh god i forgot how soon this day might end.

Katsuki... I noticed a similar thing when I didn't understand why Katsuki wasn't voting for mattP when he "assumed" Matt was the double voter. Katsuki did eventually vote for Matt. This immediately made me suspicious but some later stuff katsuki did made me feel better -- this was all eaten in the crash.

I was waiting to hear Katsuki's answers to the lack of Syryana vote -- but he didn't fold to pressure this time. (If he answered these, I missed it.)

I wanted to see if he'd fold again, and had a pet theory he was scum if he did, but he didn't so now I'm conflicted. I don't oppose the katsuki wagon, because not voting in those situations still makes no sense to me from a town perspective, but, all in all, I'd rather...

VOTE: ffery

The ffery/Syryana interaction reads very much like scum on town -- though which side of it is scum i keep flip flopping on. Matt pushed ffery (though inconsistently) and I've had overall more problems with Her all game, so I would rather pursue ffery.

I also think at least one of the scum is a more experienced player, because that ghost hammer on Antagon really set up suspicion on one of Matt or hp or both. Matt's following death made me think this more, like they realized after hp town flip he wouldn't be lynched. Hp was obviously a frame job but you don't let that sort of wifom live without very good reason. (Actually, I think it was more likely meant to frame Matt, but who knows really.)

Matt's reputation being what is, I'm not too concerned about his list. It should be considered but not used as a bible.

Amrun, do you have any idea what Pjo may have meant by the bolded

here

Spoiler: first post

For the sake of the universe and contiguity, I need everyone to claim the gamea/universe their character is from.

Nothing important, just a

lil dash

of flavor.

It's no big deal guys.

What could possibly go wrong.

and here

Spoiler: second post

hey pjo are you town?

totes

cos i am... you probably know that by now tho don't you

totes

I've been thinking about that newbie game. I assume pjo gambits no matter what alignment he is.

totes

mrbungle, where, what games do you and pjo know each other from?

fiery, pjo, tell me about pjo's scum game, or at least point me to the ones that you are talking about.

My scumgames are mystical creatures of ancient power, just without the power.
I'm actually quite bad at it if I do say so myself.
Almost as bad as bungle. Not quite, but almost.

Cool. Why is it suspicious. And I'll totally admit to it being suspicious, if you can point to where I was posting at this site in the meantime and then hopped to it to do some scumhunting because I was called out. And if you really think someone saying I'm not scumhunting on page two of a mafia game makes me get all skittish and run to scumhunt, you clearly don't know how I think as scum.

Why don't you ask me why I'm finding the Matt town reads suspicious? Show me you're actually interested in determining my alignment.

It's completely irrelevant whether you were posting elsewhere on the site. The point is, Whimsy-boy over there calls you out for not scumhunting, then you make a post yelling at him, and two minutes later you start scumhunting.

I already know why you find the Matt townreads suspicious. And I've already figured out your alignment

Pedit: And more self-meta! This is glorious!

This is a bad post and you should feel bad.

Why are people not allowed to hunt scum after you tell them they are not hunting scum?
And when are they supposed to start?

There is mafia motivation in these words.
Indeed.
Mafia would really love people who are not contributing to continue doing so.
Indeed, if mafia are able to paint scum motivation on people FOR starting to contribute (even if it's just a

lil' dash

of it), that would be a good thing.

I'm taking both my eyes. And I'm watching the shit out of you, brother.
Yeah.
Even when you're under the shower, yeah.

I haven't seen his scum game.

So why do you think that he gambits as either alignment?

I was asking mrbungles because they've played together elsewhere.

But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.

While it is true that i do that specifically as either alignment, I am easy to spot as scum anyways.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.

You're lying

You didn't actually come to that conclusion

Would you like to stop lying now or should this be a power lynch? [:

Why do you think ferryllet unable to come to a logical conclusion?
This looks like you want to lynch here on the basis of her being actually stupid and not able to think, true/false?

ffery, needs to explain how pjo tripped up scum in the game she lynched because it looks like she buddying with him for an illegitimate reason at the moment.

I'd like it if mrbungle told me what game he knows pjo from.

Whimsy is actually scum, so people should vote her.

Pjo was so obviously town by page 2 of that game. MsM, however, just could not let go of the idea that he had initially behaved as though he were very newb and then a page later showed some depth of mafia strategy. She focused on the ruse and ignored or couldn't see the reason behind it. She moved on to other targets but kept coming back to that slot and arguing with Pjo and later his replacement. It was painfully scummy looking.

I was happy to see he signed up for this game and I'm looking forward to playing with him.

Oh stop it, you
*blush*

VOTE: Whimsical Eggplantl

Scum man. She tripped up.
@whimsical: You recalled mattp saying releasing flavour is a bad idea in your scum pregame qt?

Those who have no avatar need to get one. I can't differentiate people without avi.

I thought scum only had a QT during nightphases?
If so then this is silly.
Or are pregame QTs actually a thing?
Sounds useless, theres like nothing to talk about without any posts.

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

If you want, I could fill you up with something warm.

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.

Here, have a cookie. It comes with free townreads.

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.

My friend Jason a while back ran a theme game. It featured the scum pushing a mass claim on day 1 and getting away with it. Seeing that kind of action again in another theme game, and nothing from Pjovek's iso to indicate to me that he's town, I'm more than fine to say DIESCUMDIE as of this 5 minutes.

How is this relevant to this game at all?


@Katsuki, do you like playing scum?
yes/no question.

[Katsuki]

Sorry some things have been happening on my end.

Read the Tammy posts, and honestly am lost now (as to who to vote). I trust her ability to read Tierce.
I see Amrun jumping on me if she were scum, which she didn't. It would've been easy for her to justify jumping on me too.

I really need to read through the thread which I haven't, and especially yesterday given the hp stuff.

[implosion]

s_o_o ISO:

Eggplant – intro post was odd to say the least…not really sure if his MattP thing is a scum slip, as his whole post just seems awkward..now would be a good time for him to get in here and talk…as waiting is not making him look good..

These are his first set of catchup reads. His read on eggplant is a strange combination of waffling and prodding him to post more. The amount of language in that sentence ("odd," "not really sure," "awkward") that waffles while vaguely painting a scumread on him feels like scum->scum.

Going through the Matt/Tierce back and forth , I really don’t think Matt is scum…
He always seems like a wild card to me…

I expect his fake-claims

, so that really doesn’t seem to sway me one way or another…
His frustration at Tierce for calling him scum does seems genuine also…

I really don’t know what to think of Antagon’s claim as it does seem a bit OP to me as well … I will say that I do recall Abarat had a similar role that self -commuted themselves and a target for the night, so it could be possible…

Bolded is a POSSIBLE explanation for the matt kill if s_o_o is scum - he may have thought matt was fakeclaiming. Anyway, the important thing here is that, once again, when talking about the Antagon slot, sword just continuously waffles. He doesn't know what to think, "it could be possible," etc. It's not just the fact that he says he doesn't know, it's the way he says it.

Antagon- Egg’s intro was odd..and Antagon’s claim seems convoluted, yet believeable…normally I’d prefer to wait on lynching him…
I will say that I didn’t care for his last post though:

I don't need to explain this at this point. Four posts later, in response to Katsuki, he says he feels better about the antagon lynch, and keeps his vote on hp. Keeping his vote on hp isn't really a scumtell in that i can see him doing it as town, but it also fits very well if he's scum.

Anyway,.i was really expecting a scum flip from hp, and that it would bullet proof my scum read of Ffery, but now I really don’t know..I went back and looked at ffery again, and now I’m thinking she’s most likely town...factoring into that is Matt’s kill…he claimed VT already…so why would scum kill a VT when there are lots of other unclaimed players out there? Ferry would not have benefitted from this, seeing as Matt only added her on his list as a “possible” scum because he saw her as “town”, and not “surefire town”…she would have no reason to be worried about Matt…same goes for OS, he was on the list for the same reason as ffery..i really don’t see why either of them would kill a claimed VT when there should be other priorities out there..and with hp gone, this narrows his list down to really only two people:
Me and Implosion…as far as Matt’s NK goes, this makes the most sense to me… and seeing as how people are saying that they don’t have a read on me or implosion, this might be the best avenue to explore...

This reasoning about matt's list is a bit... well, not true. I think. First of all i don't think scum would have killed matt because of the list if there were only one scum on the list. Second of all I don't think the scary part of a list like for scum is that there's scum on the list, it's that there's town that they'd like to ML off the list.

So yeah. To sum up, he makes sense as scum with antagon.

[Katsuki]

Oh and never did read any part of the ffrey/syry exchange too... looking at things later tonight.

Thinking some things on the fly
Would syry have dropped that hammer despite Tierce saying she would if he were scum and knew that hp would flip town? Unless there is another anti-town group out there I don't think scum would be that cheeky
Not interested in implosion, amrun. I don't recall anything scummy from ffrey but granted I never read the exchange nor syry's case on her.

This leaves oversoul, zdenek, SOO on that hp mislynch.

I'll skim over those 3 sometime later.

[implosion]

ISO #2: oversoul.

The first thing of note is that he ostensibly does nothing except townread matt until his unsubstantiated fourth-vote-on-the-wagon vote on Eggplant in 160. Note that the first three on the wagon were Zdenek, Katsuki, enomis.

I can't really find anything that makes me feel one way or the other after that until 578:

Sorry? I take it you think I am town, which I guess my battle is half won.
I am actually contributing to a crucial wagon while you're... making noise I guess? about MattP. If you have any questions about my MattP read, follow Katsuki's logic about Whimsy flip > Matt's alignment.

But I will make more (serious?) posts tonight.

Contributing to a crucial wagon? He hasn't said a thing about whimiscal eggplant/antagon at this point. I may have missed some but I don't think I did. The way he responds to being called out for not giving content is to point out that he's on a "crucial wagon" without justifying his vote, without justifying why it's a crucial wagon, and without providing any content. He then unvoted two posts later, presumably in response to antagon's 579 looking like it softclaimed the apocalypse role. It just seems like the eggplant vote is fabricated.

And i'm getting tired of reading isos now. I'll look more into this later (as in, before-deadline later) but meh. Unsure on OS. I'm not sure what to think of the above entirely, and i'd like to see OS's justification for his early whimsical vote, in case i missed it.

[implosion]

For now, in the hopes of

causing more chaos 10 hours before the deadline by

starting a new wagon:

VOTE: sword_of_omens

[Syryana]

So, my brain is on fire and I can't think straight

I'm just going to sheep Tammy
VOTE: implosion

If I wake up before deadline and don't feel like shit I'll reevaluate, see you all tomorrow

[Amrun]

Ffery, why are you digging for my role?

Kill that plz. Wowza.

[fferyllt]

Ffery, why are you digging for my role?

Kill that plz. Wowza.

I'm not digging for your role. I thought Pjo was making a reference to my role in those posts.

[Amrun]

Why would pjo know your role? On day 1, wasn't it?

:/

[fferyllt]

That's a damn good question.

[Amrun]

I don't know your role so pjo didn't.

But why are you doing this

It makes no sense

As either alignment why would you do this

My brain is full of fuck halp

[fferyllt]

Well, those lil dashes are a big part of why I was reading him (and hence you) as town. I have no idea how or why he'd know that my character is in the game, but I trusted his low key approach and answered it.

And you apparently had no idea any of that went on, and are scum-reading me, which makes me think I was completely wrong about his posts. It's a big enough deal that I want it on the table.

[Amrun]

Why would that make you read him town?!

[fferyllt]

Why would that make you read him town?!

Mafia is a game of paranoia and trust. For a number of reasons, I decided to trust.

[Tammy]

I can't stay awake another second, but I'd like to know what katsuki, amrun and ffery think they're doing with their non votes or votes that aren't doing anything. Like the amrun post and then case on ffery when it had no traction is bs.

If I wake up before deadline I guess I'll change it. Don't like that implosion also voted soo instead of a main wagon. Too.

Sllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppppppp

[fferyllt]

I plan to vote implosion, but wanted that interaction with amrun. And I guess the interaction is done, given east coast time.

VOTE: implosion

[Katsuki]

Sorry got unwanted house guests that wanted to drink at my place... like wtf.

Don't agree with this wagon but well, deadline.

Vote: Implosion

[implosion]

well that's L-1.

I'm a VT.

:\.

If i am lynched then just make sure s_o_o still responds to 1179. I'm still by and large lost over who the scum are in this game.

[implosion]

i'll selfhammer before deadline if it gets to be a few hours from now.

[Tierce]

Happy Scumday, Vi.

Katsuki, here's what I don't get: you state earlier in the game that you have no issues reading me (and never explain that scumread or that vote), and then suddenly decide you are going to trust Tammy's Townread on me. No questions asked, no arguments, no nothing, just limping away from a dead wagon. WTF?

[Tierce]

Flavor, implosion?

[implosion]

Fi from skyward sword.