Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[sword_of_omens]

Rand uses the OP...so the redirect should have worked...he should have roleblocked himself...
Also..he would have been the 3rd person in the dreamwalk with Mara, considering he said he HAD a 1 shot dreamwalk...

[sword_of_omens]

@Demon - did you dreamwalk N1?
and what is the flavor for your lightning rod and roleblock?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Rand_al%27Thor
http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Domination_Band

This said, it was not a problem for Semirhage to completely control Rand al'Thor's body and connection to saidin, despite a second female channeler wearing the bracelet.

I'm so confused right now.

[Selkies]

One more thing. I knew I needed to check another PM.

When I received the a'Dan I was told that it works on One Powers only.

Would the roleblock be a One Power?

[Selkies]

ffs where did everybody go?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm still here but I know ziltch on flavor.

How about we just look at both scenarios and what they mean?

[Selkies]

Rand uses the

OP

...so the redirect should have worked...he should have roleblocked himself...
Also..he would have been the 3rd person in the dreamwalk with Mara, considering he said he HAD a 1 shot dreamwalk...

OP = One Power?

[Selkies]

I'm still here but I know ziltch on flavor.

How about we just look at both scenarios and what they mean?

If the redirect failed then a lot of shit is explained about night 1.

If the redirect worked, then the number of questions just exploded. And so will my head.

[Selkies]

Not night 1. Night 2.

[Demon]

Lightning rod - warp reality.

ROleblock - overpower.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

What is the commonly accepted standard for role blockers being able to role block themselves?
It's very possible that flavor tiebreaker was never needed if role blocking yourself isn't allowed anyways.

[Selkies]

My experience with self-roleblock situations is all off-site. In nearly every instance where self-roleblock (and self-jailkeep for that matter) could have voluntarily or involuntarily happened, it was disallowed. In the extremely rare cases where it was allowed to happen, the allowance was due to the game flavor.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So now I feel the need to ask Demon why he insisted on not claiming in line, and why his reveal came peacemeal as other information surfaced?

[Selkies]

Well, we can keep posting endless speculations, but I'm hoping that the wise ones who know this flavor well will convene an Entmoot and tell us if the claimed night action results fit what everyone has claimed to have done.

I agree that demon waiting until nearly all the puzzle pieces were in place before posting his claim in dribs and drabs is troubling.

I think Nero still needs to claim.

[Iecerint]

So, go crazy with the flavor and tell me if an a'Dan redirect could change the target of rand al'thor's role block.

One point is that a'dams are gender-specific. There are some a'dams that only work on females, and some that can only work on males, and be used by males/females.

So if your a'dam only worked on female channelers, it could be that it would not work on Rand, since he does not use the female half of the OP.

[Iecerint]

Demon needs to finish his flavor claiming ASAP.

Flavor elaboration: an a'dam is a collar that is worn around a channeler's neck that's connected to a bracelet. It gives the bracelet-user total control over the necklace-wearer. They're used to chain/enslave female channelers in Seanchan.

[Selkies]

So, go crazy with the flavor and tell me if an a'Dan redirect could change the target of rand al'thor's role block.

One point is that a'dams are gender-specific. There are some a'dams that only work on females, and some that can only work on males, and be used by males/females.

So if your a'dam only worked on female channelers, it could be that it would not work on Rand, since he does not use the female half of the OP.

There is nothing in my PM Q&A about the a'Dan that mentions a gender restriction. Going back through the PM convos I did find that the redirect would fail if a player is not allowed to target themselves as well as it only working on One Powers.

"OP" = One Power?

What is missing from demon's flavor claim?

[Belisarius]

To be consistent with the source material, an

a'dam

would only control those who channeled

sai'dar

; the one that worked on men was one-of-a-kind -- however, I don't think we can safely assume that the source material restrictions apply in-game. The wiki cautions mods of theme games against following source material too slavishly over mafia game mechanics.

Furthermore, if my recollection is correct, my role proves that the source material is

not

in fact followed thus slavishly. My character is not an innate Dreamer like Perrin, he only entered the Dream in the flesh

once

through a Gateway made by...Wise Ones? Windfinders? It might even have been Aes Sedai. I can't remember.

My role PM does not stipulate that I need a channeller to make a Gateway in order to enter the Dream in the flesh.

The name of Demon's roleblock ability suggests the use of the One Power as Rand has never been described as

physically

strong (That would be Perrin, out of the three

ta'veren

), but he was exceptionally strong with the One Power to the point of being able to overpower most female channelers outside of the Forsaken and Nynaeve.

[Iecerint]

It would be weird if the gendered functions of the a'dam came into play without a cautionary note of any sort in the description.

SoO may want to weigh-in on this, though, since he's the one who made it.

[Iecerint]

And yeah, OP is one power = how people use magic = the mechanism of lots of abilities in this game.

[Iecerint]

What is missing from demon's flavor claim?

I missed his "Warp Reality" and "Overpower" claims.

Neither of these really map onto anything in the book AFAICR. Closest is that Rand can spontaneously make things happen without the OP in the epilogue, which is kinda like Warp Reality, though that kind of verbiage isn't standard in the diction. No idea of Overpower either way.

[Iecerint]

Re-a'dams, my thinking was that this was flavor that might motivate a mod claim that flavor would be used to determine how the a'dam works.

K, quadruple post over.

[Selkies]

Ok, so on to the bigger question. Do you think demon is town?

[Selkies]

^^ to all, not only the flavor experts.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yes.

Demon also needs to claim his N1 action, I almost forgot that.