Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[TheIrishPope]

It's not his claim, it's what I fucking received when I tracked him

[Psyche]

TP, relax. 1073 looks weird because of the way it was influenced by our neighbor quicktopic.

[TheIrishPope]

Psyche, put your vote back on, that would be L-1
I'm not about to relax when we only got one scum and they got like six town

[Psyche]

It's not his claim, it's what I fucking received when I tracked him

Just focus on the posts in the thread for a second. Those are more important.

[Desperado]

Desperado, 1066 is a pretty hard ATE and 1067 seems like an OMGUS/squirmvote given that I just set you up as believable antagonists with my post, giving you at least the subconscious idea I might put my vote on him instead.

So, please, dig yourself a deeper hole. You respond really poorly under pressure, scum.

And I respond really poorly when the "pressure" is literally a PR lying about his results and people thinking I, as the scum redirector, specifically asked if he only saw me visit one person (which, in this hypothetical, is the proper amount), and then claimed that I actually visited two players.

Like I said, I don't care if it's WIFOM--that's the stupidest fucking shit I've ever heard and I will simply not have it.

I prefer to believe that Monkey simply misunderstands the role (which I have evidence for, given the mistake in my role PM).

I am being forced to assume, however, that TIP is just lying, because I know I visited both him and boxxy because Monkey told me my action was successful.

There is no case against me. Just this.

So please tell me more about how I react poorly under "pressure." Because FMPOV, this is me reacting poorly to some fabricated bullshit.

[Psyche]

For the record, the wiki says Bus Driver has been seen as each alignment and historically is a pro-Town role.

(If Desperado survives, though, he should, like, stop using his ability since it messes with more town PRs than it does scum NKers.)

I just don't see how a Bus Driver can be construed as involving visitation on one player...

[TheIrishPope]

Psyche, winning the game is more important
Jesus Christ Psyche

[Desperado]

As far as I can tell there is no commonly accepted way the role is done, which is why it's entirely possible that what SEEMS like it should be obvious may not be.

The fact that Monkey made a critical mistake in my role PM that I had to clarify points to this even further.

[TheIrishPope]

We don't even know if this "critical mistake" is factual, anyway
So yeah, we're lynching you anyway

L-2 people, gogogo, confirmed scum right here

[Varsoon]

There's no way I know if he's lying or not, it's literally something I cannot confirm.


From where I am, I see you claiming a PR despite having no pressure to do so, claiming town alongside that PR, then going on to put a vote against the person who's behind there being lots of votes on you.
Also, AtE's and OMGUS's.

Still, I'm hesitant, given the refutation that all of that isn't necessarily scum.
I don't see any reason for you to be lying in 1079, though, especially given how genuine it reads.

I'd rather a longer day, where more people are pressured and info is garnered.

Vote: TIP

I'd like to know why he said he only had one target on his trace, too, if Desperado is telling the truth.
I'd also like to know why he's so lynch-happy and has been using his trace by-and-large to push lynches.


TIP, we're not doing another quicklynch, especially given how short today is.
I know you'd like it to be night so you can get to your quick-thread and NK faster, but town actually wants to lynch scum.
Scum like you.

[Psyche]

There is literally no reasonable way I can decide Desperado is town given the information available in the thread.

Except...his posts.

Agh.

[TheIrishPope]

You fucking people
Are so

[Varsoon]

<3 Psyche

[Skullduggery]

UNVOTE:

Turbo-lynching Zoidberg worked out

so

well for us yesterday, didn't it? So well that we should do it again, right?

No. I want to hear from Rubicon first. Depending on what he answers, I have a few more questions for some other players. We've got plenty of time before the deadline. I want to try to figure a few things out first. I'm not asking too much, am I?

If Desperado is Town I will See Skullduggery lynched or die myself.

Why?

[Desperado]

Varsoon you are giving me whiplash.

TIP's first post was a giant neon sign that said "DESPERADO VISITED SOMEONE."

Obviously I knew that I had visited him. I gave him several opportunities to not pursue it. He persisted anyway.

At this point, could you envision any scenario during this day that didn't include me full claiming?

Me neither. So why wait?

And you're goddamn right I AtE'd and OMGUS'd all over the place. Because what TIP is claiming is fabricated bullshit. How can I approach something inherently illogical logically?

[Psyche]

I'll almost definitely be voting Desperado today. Sorry, mod's fault (?)

If Desp flips town, TIP, I want you to write a wallpost apology to him on the next Day or by pm if you die. Ok?

[TheIrishPope]

If Desp flips Town, I will cut my balls off alright?
But to see his flip, everyone needs to vote him

[Varsoon]

TIP, what's wrong?
Bring up a counter-argument!
Explain why you're not scum!
Explain how your trace didn't bring up two things!

One of you is lying.
TIP bringing the mod into the game is fucked up and abusive of the setup.
Also, what I said in 1084.


P-EDIT:
@Skull: I agree. I feel like a dumbass for tunneling him, so I'm going to be a bit more reserved on my judgments. Regardless, scum/a liar between TIP and Desperado looks likely.

P-P-EDIT:
@Desperado: The two of you are claimed PRs with conflicting info. That means one of you is lying. I put my vote and pressured you. I like your responses. Now I'm voting TIP. Pressure? Sure. But I want to hear both sides of this before a lynch gets pushed through on anyone today.

[TheIrishPope]

I brought the mod into the setup?
Wasn't Desperado the one who whined about a fucking role PM error?

[TiphaineDeath]

Guys, I'm just gonna come out and say it. I thought my role targeted two people too. Turns out it doesn't. Monkey's ideas of double targeting roles are kinda fucked up. This follows what I would expect it to follow if des was what he says he is. This guy is town. Now can we all join together and lynch varsoon please?

[Psyche]

Varsoon is fine atm but thanks TD.

[Psyche]

vote NS

He's done little but that little has been scummy.

[Desperado]

I brought the mod into the setup?
Wasn't Desperado the one who whined about a fucking role PM error?

I haven't whined about anything. How are you already misrepping something that happened two hours ago?

The existence of the error merely supports my theory that Monkey just doesn't fully understand the role he included in his game. Which is OK.

[Desperado]

Guys, I'm just gonna come out and say it. I thought my role targeted two people too. Turns out it doesn't. Monkey's ideas of double targeting roles are kinda fucked up. This follows what I would expect it to follow if des was what he says he is. This guy is town. Now can we all join together and lynch varsoon please?

Hey look TIP, more evidence that I was right!

Varsoon what the fuck is up man? You were beyond ready to lynch me. Like, "flail harder, scum" ready to lynch me.

[Desperado]

Varsoon is fine atm but thanks TD.

Varsoon is not fine.

Spoiler: This series of posts is not fucking fine

I don't like the claim by Desperado. Why? It uses info that isn't solely exclusive to him.
Anyone could claim bus-driver swapping the targets of Skull/Wolf after I talked so much about the redirect yesterday.
Also, I think it's actually a good lynch for today. Why?
Flavor-wise, he's bus-driver, which is a slimy girl in the canon of Calvin and Hobbes. Slimy girls are a confirmed scum group.
Also, I already suspect that my actions were redirected to Radiowolf as a setup to lynch me, and it follows that a BusDriver scum on a 2-person team (at N1) could have skull's targets hit Radiowolf, and then have the night kill delivered by the other team-mate.
Finally, I am uncomfortable with how quickly he's pushed my wagon despite being largely on my side on D1. It's like he saw me as an easier lynch target and went for it.

Vote: Desperado

Also, I'm confirming this, I did Neighbor Psyche. It actually worked this time, too.

Also-also, why the fuck would he bring up his PR so quickly if he was town?
ESPECIALLY with a PR of that power?
You didn't have to say what it is, either.

Shit, really? Because when I made my case on Zoidberg on D1, he was all about it.

Ach, my memory really does blow. Regardless, I guess I just don't like him for all the other reasons above.

I could see the Monkey being wrong deal, but, honestly, I want to see a lynch between TIP or Desperado. Either TIP is absolutely full of it and is scum trying to frame people, or Desperado is scum trying to make himself appear more town.

Regardless, Monkey can't clarify in-thread so this all amounts to an insane amount of WIFOM based off of two PR claims no one can confirm.

Can we do some actual scum-hunting?
Also, Desperado, you're at L-2. Why go down this WIFOM hole so deep?

Desperado, 1066 is a pretty hard ATE and 1067 seems like an OMGUS/squirmvote given that I just set you up as believable antagonists with my post, giving you at least the subconscious idea I might put my vote on him instead.

So, please, dig yourself a deeper hole. You respond really poorly under pressure, scum.

Fair enough, Psyche.

I don't believe in rushing things, either. I just think Desperado, especially with his claim, deserves some pressure.

I'll keep my vote there.

There's no way I know if he's lying or not, it's literally something I cannot confirm.


From where I am, I see you claiming a PR despite having no pressure to do so, claiming town alongside that PR, then going on to put a vote against the person who's behind there being lots of votes on you.
Also, AtE's and OMGUS's.

Still, I'm hesitant, given the refutation that all of that isn't necessarily scum.
I don't see any reason for you to be lying in 1079, though, especially given how genuine it reads.

I'd rather a longer day, where more people are pressured and info is garnered.

Vote: TIP

I'd like to know why he said he only had one target on his trace, too, if Desperado is telling the truth.
I'd also like to know why he's so lynch-happy and has been using his trace by-and-large to push lynches.


TIP, we're not doing another quicklynch, especially given how short today is.
I know you'd like it to be night so you can get to your quick-thread and NK faster, but town actually wants to lynch scum.
Scum like you.