The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Metal Sonic]

oh damn i realised your name is really bad


but nice avatar

[ChannelDelibird]

So we're settled! Lynch KillerApple and vig Metal Sonic. Best wedding ever.

[AurorusVox]

I will actually have time to read this game this weekend so I should be able to get in some posting before too long~

[KillerApple]

So we're settled! Lynch Venmar and vig Metal Sonic. Best wedding ever.

Agreed.

I almost want to lynch MS, but then I would have to take my vote off Venmar. And unless Venmar says something extremely town, that's not gonna happen.

[Metal Sonic]

So we're settled! Lynch KillerApple and vig Metal Sonic. Best wedding ever.

sounds good


Best Wedding ever.



VOTE: KillerApple

[KillerApple]

You already voted for me. How about you read the thread instead of actively lurking?

[Metal Sonic]

no

go away murderous apple

into the trash you go

[Amrun]

Wheeeeeee nexus is town. So is CDB. In fact, CDB is more town than Nexus.

I have a growing urge to lynch tsunami

Agreed about CDB. Why do you have an urge to lynch tsunami?

I could go through pbp and say things that bothered me, but it's. i thing truly concrete. None of his posts sit well. I just want it dead.

Nexus, you don't like anything I do ever -- but curious, why so wishy washy about it? Shit or get off the pot, so to speak.

I'm a she, not a he or an it, and you know this. Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me? Does it bother you so much when people actually question your motivations?

Sorry for mistaking your gender, but I've never played with you before, so your indignation seems a little overblown. I have been called "he" hundreds of times on this site alone and it never got my panties in a twist.

I am trying to engage you, and you have given large walls without ACTUALLY doing that. STILL haven't answered my questions to you, in fact.

The whole crux of the issue seems to be that you have assumed, with no reason, that AV town read me for no reason. This is highly unlikely to be the case. AV and I have played together a lot and so have an easier time reading each other than some.

But let's disregard that for a minute. Throwing out unexplained townreads shows something on page 2 that it doesn't on page 50. Later on in the game, scum have to have townreads to appear to have genuine reads. Therefore the standard of understandable town reads shifts. On page 2, scum are not obligated to do this -- in fact, doing so boxes them in more than necessary so they avoid it. Of course some scum will do it anyway to appear town, but the WAY AV did it appeared genuine to me.

You trying to undermine my town read on AV without calling him OR me scum is noncommittal and scummy, which is what AV isn't doing.

[tsunami]

Wheeeeeee nexus is town. So is CDB. In fact, CDB is more town than Nexus.

I have a growing urge to lynch tsunami

Agreed about CDB. Why do you have an urge to lynch tsunami?

I could go through pbp and say things that bothered me, but it's. i thing truly concrete. None of his posts sit well. I just want it dead.

Nexus, you don't like anything I do ever -- but curious, why so wishy washy about it? Shit or get off the pot, so to speak.

I'm a she, not a he or an it, and you know this. Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me? Does it bother you so much when people actually question your motivations?

Sorry for mistaking your gender, but I've never played with you before, so your indignation seems a little overblown. I have been called "he" hundreds of times on this site alone and it never got my panties in a twist.

I am trying to engage you, and you have given large walls without ACTUALLY doing that. STILL haven't answered my questions to you, in fact.

The whole crux of the issue seems to be that you have assumed, with no reason, that AV town read me for no reason. This is highly unlikely to be the case. AV and I have played together a lot and so have an easier time reading each other than some.

But let's disregard that for a minute. Throwing out unexplained townreads shows something on page 2 that it doesn't on page 50. Later on in the game, scum have to have townreads to appear to have genuine reads. Therefore the standard of understandable town reads shifts. On page 2, scum are not obligated to do this -- in fact, doing so boxes them in more than necessary so they avoid it. Of course some scum will do it anyway to appear town, but the WAY AV did it appeared genuine to me.

You trying to undermine my town read on AV without calling him OR me scum is noncommittal and scummy, which is what AV isn't doing.

So, do you selectively read posts that suit you and refuse to actually see points? I signed my first post. I've posted out of hydra twice. Metal sonic referred to me by name. So did nacho. How you can't realize by now that the person you are talking to is Tammy is beyond me and is worrying me for what you are wholesale disresgarding. Now, if you still want to say you've never played with me before, get to a doctor stat.

You derailed my question and now are trying to claim something that isn't while it's there in black and white. You said [url="http://forum.mafiascum.net/posting.php? ... []=5054853] he quickly read me as town with little to go off of - I don't know what I did to make him think that - BUT it showed me he was townnhunting early[/url]

Those are literally your words. I asked you if giving someone town reads for very little is a town tell for you. Instead of anwering the question actually asked, you went off on derailing the actual question and bringing up 50 pages in. Of course 50 pages in is different than the beginning of the game, but considering we are not at page 50 and I'm asking you about something that happened before page 5, it was unnecessary.

And I repeat, I am not trying to undermine your town read on AV. I'm trying to understand your town read on AV. I cant figure out if youre being deliberatley obtuse or just having a reading comprehension issue. I'm quite sure I said that in that large wall that I'm apparentoy not engaging you with that I'm trying to understand your motivation. It's kinda what you do in mafia to get reads on people. I'm pretty sure I stated in that post your quoting but apparently didn't read that one of the ways I read people is how they read other people. Hence my question to you. Sinking in yet?

But do feel free to continue to misrep what I'm doing, that's just so town of you >_>. Read my whole post before you actually respond to me next time. I don't have a read on AV yet. He hasn't done anything for me to have a read on him on. I read him as scum super quick in HP but then he did similar things in mafia stuck and I read him as scum when he wasn't and pushed for his lynch all game until I got it. Therefore he's not someone I feel comfortable reading this early especially when he's done little more than drunk post. I find you suspicious. I've made that clear.

The only thing you actual got right is that I'm not calling anyway scum right now. And I'm not. Its pretty damn clear I'm distracted and tried to quickly keep up when I can throwing out my gut reads. You're reasoning for your town read struck me as odd, so I poked at it. Why didn't you at that post, say that you and avox have played a lot of games with each other and therefore can read each other well early? It seems like that would be the first response and instead you made a detour with the kind of how dare you question me feel.

I tried to do two things with interacting with you. Get a better feel for your reads and motivations AND get a better feel for avox, but keep misrepping it as tearing down a town read cuz that's super cute.

[Nachomamma8]

tammy i said av was town but you didn't care

[tsunami]

Well you gave a whole list of townreads nacho, and unfortunately I haven't had the time to tear down all of them yet.

[Amrun]

I said "with little to go off of." In no way does that say "without any reason."

I didn't realize you were Tammy, or I probably did at some point but forgot. I try to treat hydrae as separate entities because their meta isn't the same as the individual composing players. I kind of forgot you were a hydra today, at least. Chances are i noted it in my brain at some point.

That actually changes things a bit in my mind -- the things that were bothering me about you I don't find particularly alignment indicative in Tammy. Okay.

But you need to realize something. You're trying to criticize me for town reading a post that doesn't exist anymore. You can't even evaluate it for yourself, which is one of the things I found alarming about the whole line of inquiry. How do you expect to determine my motivation if you can't even see the impetus?

But in general... Your heckles are up, and I wasn't the only person to mention AV, so why single me out? That I couldn't understand. But my worries are eased and I think you're more likely to be town, in fact.

[Andrius]

VoteCount

KillerApple [7] - Ankamius, Amrun, xReckonerx, Venmar, Generic, Metal Sonic, ChannelDelibird
Venmar [3] - Tierce, Dekes, KillerApple
Tierce [1] - AurorusVox
Dekes [1] - Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 [1] - tsunami

Not Voting [4] - Nexus, BROseidon, Tamuz, macmollie

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline will be July 6th 2013, 4:00pm PST.

Prod check tonight.

[KillerApple]

Nacho, why is your vote on Dekes? You should put it somewhere useful. Was AV's vote on Tierce before or after RVS?

[Venmar]

Just 2 more votes for Apple guys. Go GO Go GO go

[ChannelDelibird]

Was AV's vote on Tierce before or after RVS?

http://www.letmeisothatforyou.com

[KillerApple]

Just 2 more votes for Apple guys. Go GO Go GO go

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves, when your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then I will flip scum, and not before.

[Nexus]

Andy I've been voting KillerApple since post #224....

[Venmar]

KA just claimed to be a witch, lynch him guys!

[Nexus]

Although if someone could put a bullet between Venmar's eyes tonight that would be much appreciated.

[ChannelDelibird]

Although if someone could put a bullet between Venmar's eyes tonight that would be much appreciated.

Stay on message. Metal Sonic gets vigged tonight.

[Nexus]

I find Metal Sonic less obnoxious so personally would prefer to see Venmar.

[Nexus]

unvote

My vote is on KA by proxy, but we need to know if a) anyone is willing to hammer, and b) if so, what KA claims.

[Nexus]

Also, I can't see both Venmar & Metal Sonic being scum with KA as they're both on the wagon.

[Venmar]

Although if someone could put a bullet between Venmar's eyes tonight that would be much appreciated.

- For the sake of the town, I would strongly advise against this.