Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[TheIrishPope]

How would he know?
Exactly.

[Metal Sonic]

If Desp flips Town, I will cut my balls off alright?
But to see his flip, everyone needs to vote him

must see this

[Psyche]

If Desp flips Town, I will cut my balls off alright?
But to see his flip, everyone needs to vote him

must see this

despe
take one for the team

[TiphaineDeath]

Psyche, derp harder.

[Metal Sonic]

inb4 making bet and gets modkilled

@ TiP

[Skullduggery]

Desperado, do you think Rubicon is telling the truth about being a PGO?

They would have died. I don't think I get told if it happens, but based on the kill flavors I don't think any of the N1 deaths were my fault.

Do you know what your kill flavor is? Because based on the flips we've seen so far, I don't think you have a specified kill flavor.

[MonkeyMan576]

The game will be paused while I have a discussion with my backup mod.

[MonkeyMan576]

The game continues.

[Varsoon]

@Desperado: That's called effective pressure. You sincerely believed I intended to see your lynch go through, but Psyche can confirm that (via out QT) I simply thought you were possible scum and wanted to see you under heavy pressure before I made the verdict. Your responses, by and large, have convinced me that you're town.

I'm not so convinced about TIP.

@Skull: Do you think everyone has been telling the truth about PRs? I try to largely ignore their existence, since it mostly amounts to Policy lynches and WIFOM nonsense since no one else can confirm 'em.

[Varsoon]

To further elaborate, should Des had ever hit L-1, I would have pulled my vote off of him. I wasn't planning on sleeping last night, so I could monitor the thread closely and avoid a quicklynch.

[TheIrishPope]

But but
Desperado is scum

[Varsoon]

But, TIP,
Why?

[TheIrishPope]

Because of the actions I received! I tracked Desperado and he only visited me, which means he is lying about his role to save his life

[Varsoon]

Okay, but, TIP, there's no way I can confirm that all as true.
Are there other reasons why he should be lynched?

[TheIrishPope]

Take my word for it
Mafia is all about taking risks
Now join me

And anyway how would I have known that Desperado visited me without my tracking

[Varsoon]

I took a risk on Zoidberg, and you see how that turned out. I'm skeptical of my own judgments right now.

Let me explain a variety of negative scenarios I can imagine:

A- You're a mafia tracker, and you're lying to get Desperado lynched.
B- You're mafia, and lying about both tracking and your role to get Desperado lynched.
C- You're VT or a different PR, but lying about the track to get Desperado lynched.
D- You're a Town Tracker, and you're lying to get Desperado lynched.
E- You're a Town Tracker, and you're telling the truth, but Monkey's PM was bastard.
F- You're a Town Tracker, and you're telling the truth, and everything works as we think it should.

Do you see why I am hesitant? You could lie about tracking pretty easily.
I could say that I tracked Desperado, and that would be a lie, but I could say it.
And if he did target me, then I hit gold. Even if he didn't target me, he could refute by lying and saying he did.

So, as far as the PR and tracking goes, it generates too much role-based WIFOM and ends in a policy lynch most the time.
I don't like that.
So build a case against Desperado out of tangible evidence, please.

[Desperado]

Desperado, do you think Rubicon is telling the truth about being a PGO?

I don't have any reason not to believe him at this point.

Do you?

[TheIrishPope]

I told you that Zoidberg was not scum and now you owe me one
The only evidence I have against him is my role, so yeah
Also, I'm too stupid to pull this off as scum; have you seen my scum meta?

[Desperado]

@Desperado: That's called effective pressure. You sincerely believed I intended to see your lynch go through, but Psyche can confirm that (via out QT) I simply thought you were possible scum and wanted to see you under heavy pressure before I made the verdict. Your responses, by and large, have convinced me that you're town.

You were definitely successful.

What about my response convinced you I was town and how is TIP's handling of the situation more incriminating?

[Desperado]

So, as far as the PR and tracking goes, it generates too much role-based WIFOM and ends in a policy lynch most the time.
I don't like that.
So build a case against Desperado out of tangible evidence, please.

Given his response I don't think we are likely to see that case any time soon

[Desperado]

WIFOM herpaderp
There's no way you're Town

I told you that Zoidberg was not scum and now you owe me one
The only evidence I have against him is my role, so yeah
Also, I'm too stupid to pull this off as scum; have you seen my scum meta?

[Varsoon]

@TIP: Desperado doesn't seem like he's playing his scum-meta, though. He's a lot more genial, observant, and inquisitive in this game.

@Desperado: See my earlier posts and this one. I don't like that I can't confirm either of your PR-malarky, but I feel like TIP has constantly been using his track to push for lynches, which I feel is scummier than your claim.

[TheIrishPope]

But the facts prove that he is scum

[Varsoon]

Which facts?

[TheIrishPope]

...
The fact that I tracked him