Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Selkies]

Demon, who do you think are scum?

[Demon]

...Because I anticipated that you guys would speculate like that?

[Demon]

I think Mara/Iece/GCBC. Strangely enough I'd rather get Iece/GCBC today because I've been feeling a lot more confident about that. My backups go between Nero/Beli. But I have Beli as likely town. I have you as town. Swords as town.

[Selkies]

...Because I anticipated that you guys would speculate like that?

I don't understand this.

I think Mara/Iece/GCBC. Strangely enough I'd rather get Iece/GCBC today because I've been feeling a lot more confident about that. My backups go between Nero/Beli. But I have Beli as likely town. I have you as town. Swords as town.

What's your basis for thinking Iece and GCBC are scum?

[Selkies]

Demon, I am looking for reason to change my read. Help me out here.

[Ms Marangal]

My N1 action was to dreamwalk and before i stopped caring about the game I thought scum sent someone to dreamwalk that night to keep track of who has/doesn't have dreamwalk anymore. I mean it was pretty damn easy to figure out who was with me in that place. Mara contributed jackshit and seemed pretty content to flat out stop talking and let the power go to waste so that's knid of convenient.

So you did walk that night... why didn't you just kill me?

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 3.3

Demon 3

(Iecerint, Selkies, GoodCop_BadCop)

Not Voting 5

(Demon, Ms Marangal, sword_of_omens, Nero Cain, Belisarius)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 3 will be Monday, July 8th, 11:59 PM.

[Ms Marangal]

and...

not only did you walk, but you didn't comment on my story on how I thought Ghost was killed, why?

also, yeah. I refused to say anything because I was mainly there for protection from the Night kill and there was no way to tell if I could trust either of you.

[Nero Cain]

Nero already has connections to GCBC

what in the hell is this?

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@Selkies - I think that Demon is town IFF he took the action he has claimed. This is because scum blocking GCBC last night doesn't really make much sense with a claimed doc and a claimed cop AFAICT.

This is pretty dumb. If they were killing the cop why would he block it?

[Selkies]

Did GCBC ever explain how their role suggested ThAD had to be scum?

[Selkies]

Here he claims he watched himself. I have the watcher role and initially thought there was no way there are two watchers but decided to hold off on the counter-claim.

Found it, and thought this might be what you are thinking about. But, it's a weak form of watching with no ability to target, and apparently no information about who visited him. I think he would have claimed who visited if he knew it before the lynch if not as part of his role claim.

We have the same odd ability doubling with doc and bodyguard. Orcinus and I keep going around on this because it seems like the game would be almost broken if those two keep protecting each other, unless there's something about the mechanics/roles to prevent it.

What would happen if Mara protected Nero AND Nero bodyguarded Mara AND Mara were targeted for kill?

With dreamwalking/roleblocking/lightning rod the possibility of mutual protection was pretty remote prior to mass claim. And even after claim, those two roles (if both town) would be likely to suspect each other.

[Iecerint]

My N1 action was to dreamwalk

and before i stopped caring about the game I thought scum sent someone to dreamwalk that night to keep track of who has/doesn't have dreamwalk anymore.

Why didn't you claim this yesterday when Mara said things about the 3rd dreamwalker and claimed to be one of the 3...?

Do you dispute anything that Mara said about the N1 dream QT?

[Iecerint]

Nero already has connections to GCBC

what in the hell is this?

You and GCBC attacked one another and voted elsewhere at least twice D1 that I noticed during my readthrough on D2. Not enough to go on, but it's D3 now, and it's kind of been in the back of my head since that time.

@Selkies - I think that Demon is town IFF he took the action he has claimed. This is because scum blocking GCBC last night doesn't really make much sense with a claimed doc and a claimed cop AFAICT.

This is pretty dumb. If they were killing the cop why would he block it?

They would block the doc.

[sword_of_omens]

alright i'm back from V/LA...
gonna catch up today...

[Selkies]

They would block the doc.

Filed under "Things that make you go hmm".

- f

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So uh. Waiting for
~Demon to explain his choices about not talking about dreamwalking
~Swords to be caught up and post

That said, Demon is still scum that needs to eat rope today.

[Ms Marangal]

So uh. Waiting for
~Demon to explain his choices about not talking about dreamwalking
~Swords to be caught up and post

That said, Demon is still scum that needs to eat rope today.

[Cephrir]

Half the game is approaching prod range. Deadline is in 6 days. v.v

[Belisarius]

This is because scum blocking GCBC last night doesn't really make much sense with a claimed doc and a claimed cop AFAICT.

Uh, there's no claimed cop. GCBC claimed watcher. Where did you get a copclaim from?

[Iecerint]

This is because scum blocking GCBC last night doesn't really make much sense with a claimed doc and a claimed cop AFAICT.

Uh, there's no claimed cop. GCBC claimed watcher. Where did you get a copclaim from?

Amrun was a cop, and she claimed cop D2 (because she thought Nero had tracked her to MattP N1).

[Belisarius]

Ah, I see it now; and by saying "of some kind," she kept the scum from realising she'd already blown her investigation.

Hm.

Demon telling the truth would clear him and explain GCBC's lack of results, but I still don't like GCBC's apparent foreknowledge of Demon's role.

[sword_of_omens]

ok..compiling a list and checking notes...
i'll put it all down shortly...

real quickly though,
Nero, do you die if you successfully block a kill?
Also..why did you target me on N2?

[Selkies]

They would block the doc.

Filed under "Things that make you go hmm".

- f

The particulars of why Iece's post made me go "hmm".

I love that game, The Sugar Cain hydra was a fun one.

also, I protected Amrun last night so I think Scum have a Strong-man

or something to bypass my protection.

Pedit: Nero...

And that made me remember another post.

Did you seriously claim, under very little pressure when your main argument against me for being scum was the fact that I pre-maturely claimed before deadline at L-3? Why is my claim a scum claim and yours a town one?

and yes, my doctor abilities are weakened. I either protect myself from being targeted, or I protect someone else.

also, Having dream walkers, a commuter, and a Doc seems odd though it's likely that scum have some very powerful abilities as well.

maybe a few strong-man abilities or something to compensate for the massive amount of protection roles.

Thad's role seems off, though I like how he was able to see what I kinda saw in Demon to which, demon just brushed off to the side. I really don't see why people have Demon as town at all

So, you may wonder, would Mara think so far ahead as scum? Yes, yes she would.


Or was this a plot of GCBC/Demon's doing to set up my mislynch today, and the redirect, while giving orcinus and me the leverage to force a claim, did not actually change the night's outcome at all.

Either way, we need to lynch Demon.

From there, I think it gets murky.

Then again, this is day 3 and I have a longstanding tradition of becoming a molten pool of paranoid snark on day 3.

[sword_of_omens]

putting this here for easy(ish) reference:

Sword_of_omens

- Elayne Trakand - Inventor
Night 1 - Made A'Dam and gave to Selkies
Night 2 - Made ring and gave it to Nero

Nero Cain

- Gawyn Trakand - bodyguard
Night 1 - Protected MsM
Night 2 - Protected SoO / rec’d ring from SoO

Selkies

- Egwene Al'Vere – Dreamer (Ability Finder)
Night 1 – Dreamed about ThAd (missed) / rec'd A'dam from SoO
Night 2 – used A'dam on Demon (Redirected Demon to self)

MsMarangal

- Nynaeve Al'Mere - Doctor
Night 1 – Dreamwalked (with Ghostlin and Demon)
Night 2 - Protected Amrun (Amrun died)

Good Cop Bad Cop

– Perrin Aybara –Goldeneyes (Watcher)
Night 1 – Watched Amrun (No One Visted her)
Night 2 - Watched Selkies (failed) (from possible roleblock of Demon)

Iecerint

– Moiraine Damodred – 1 Shot Motivator
Night 1 – No Action (preferred Selkies, but forgot it was a day action)
Night 2 - Motivated Amrun

Demon

– Rand Al’Thor – Roleblocker, 1 shot Dreamwalk, 1 shot Lightning Rod
Night 1 – Dreamwalked (with Mara and Ghost, but kept silent)
Night 2 – Roleblocked GCBC (possibly redirected to self by A’Dam)

Belis

– Gaul – 1 Shot Dreamwalker
Night 1 – No action
Night 2 – No action


Night 1 Death: MattP - (Killed)
Night 1 Death: Ghostlin - (Vanished) most likely from dreamwalking (based on N2 flavor)

Night 2 Death: Amrun - (Balefire)

[Cephrir]

Demon is being forcibly replaced due to too many prods in a short period.