Newbie 1393 Game Over

[Feel It]

tfw no gf

[notscience]

Got anything legitimate to say Feel it?

[mvmafia]

vla till saturday i'll post there. sorry

[Z7-852]

I agree with Feel it (#117) that passivity is null tell but it's never pro-town. And if you don't have anyone better to lynch you should lynch someone that is hindrance to town.

But right now we have to wait for our passive players to come back and give us some reasons not to lynch them. I really hate early game because it's so hard to get anything out of players. In real life it's much easier when you can watch facial expressions and such.

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HopefullyCynical < Smudger < Dessew < FuDuzn < notscience < mvmafia < DDDP < Feel It

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I will make a actual post with content hopefully later tonight.

It appears hope has been lost.

[FuDuzn]

I will make a actual post with content hopefully later tonight.

It appears hope has been lost.

Lol, sorry I got home from volleyball and was just dead tired. At work now and hopefully tonight or worst case tomorrow afternoonish I will make a legitimate post.

Scouts honor.

[Dessew]

I don't find him town, so atm he's kinda in the nether for me. A bit too much fluff from him though.

IMHO, it's actually the fluff that seems to be townish. Well, not the fluff itself but the way he posts it. When he makes double posts, there's like 5 minutes between them, and the second ones look spontaneous (the posts' contents themselves don't really help us, though, they are self-corrections and pointing out rather obvious things). I think if he was scum, he wouldn't do this this often, he would be much more careful and would think over what he's going to post. Of course, wifom, he could do it on purpose but it just fits so well.

[HopefullyCynical]

HC, why the need for an apology?

What are you asking about specifically? If you are referring to the no-lynch, I back tracked and saw that you posted that you didn't like no-lynch, and that was one of my main reasons for placing a vote on you. Having inserted foot into mouth, I apologized for accusing you of wanting the no-lynch.

I don't know what to say about DDDP, the way he tried to get votes to the Z7-wagon is funny but maybe it's not even worth noting.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?[/quote]

This is the best.

Unvote: notscience

Vote: mvmmafia

I agree with the consensus here, I really want some of the more passive players to actually start posting some content.

[HopefullyCynical]

Wow I am awful at quotes.

Also, Feel It's response "tfw no gf" is very curious, since not long before that he posted a fairly in-depth summary of the other players and followed it up with that. That's a very curious play to me, since he is on a lot of player's radars at the moment.

Dessew, I am trying to treat this like a dialogue. Often times I finish a post and then think of something else to say (or muck up a quote) and add it on. It's much more difficult doing that here because in person it would flow better.

[notscience]

Heh, I do that too HC.

mvm is at L-2 guise js

[Dessew]

Dessew, I am trying to treat this like a dialogue. Often times I finish a post and then think of something else to say (or muck up a quote) and add it on. It's much more difficult doing that here because in person it would flow better.

That's what I'm saying. I think scum would stop to think and read over the previous posts, not just post something and then post again if something pops into his mind because he could make an obvious slip or at least get him unwanted attention. You post quite carefreely and you're a new player (lack of experience), yet you haven't made any obvious scumslip. You are either genius or town (I mean if it's true that you have no former experience in forum-mafia)

[HopefullyCynical]

I know he said he was at L-2 but he was inactive before that. Also, is tfw no gf another acronym I don't know?

Dessew, thanks for the complement I appreciate it

[notscience]

Mod, is there anything we can do about MVM's slot? It's dead weight.

[Z7-852]

FuDuzn is making excuses (#130) for not posting and mvmafia is in permanent V/LA (#127). This really sucks. And I don't want to lynch people without first hearing them out but behavior like this cannot continue.

For HopefullyCynical (#136) "tfw no gf" means someone is depressed or sad. And I could say the same because I hate this passivity that plagues Newbie games.

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HopefullyCynical < Smudger < Dessew < FuDuzn < notscience < mvmafia < DDDP < Feel It

[FuDuzn]

I am not making excuses, I have been posting from my phone almost exclusively the past few days(including now) and the one night when I was going to check in on my computer shower then sleep took precedence and I don't want to make a catch up post from my phone(done it before, too much of a pain in the ass to do it again). Real life sometimes can get in the way a bit of mafia.

I don't think I have anything going on tonight, will catch up and make a proper post then. I said I would by today and I will.

[HopefullyCynical]

Z7, I think FuDuzn has posted more than mvm (which, granted, isn't very difficult). He's also been contributing before we really started looking at the inactives. Mvm is looking much more scum than Fu at the moment, at least for me.

Yeah, mafia really needs active contributors, one or two apathetic players really brings down the game for the rest of us.

[HopefullyCynical]

And thanks for clearing up the tf no gf acronym Z

[Z7-852]

Stating at you are posting from phone or that you have real life urgencies are (by definition) excuses. I'am not judging are they good or bad or real or made-up but they are excuses. Real life sometimes comes in way of my mafia games and I completely understand that. Only thing I have problem is promising something (like posting) and not doing it.

[Z7-852]

And I'am currently voting mvmafia because he doesn't make excuses for his inactivity (unlike FuDuzn). I just want to again state that inactivity isn't necessarily a scumtell but it's not pro-town behavior.

[Feel It]

He looks like the type of player putting pressure on won't have an effect.

[mvmafia]

sorry for the vla.

[mvmafia]

sorry for the vla. I was on a business trip. Now I'm reading all to catch up.

but i agree with cynical that it's weird to see notscience asking people about the "no lynch" thing.

I just think notscience is trying to look very active and to pass an image of a scum hunter.

Also would like to point to everyone else that being active and "scum hunter" looking doesnt necessarilly mean you are town. It also could be scum trying to look town. Where this paranoid come from nts ? town or scum ? I'll leave it for day 2 or 3.

I agree that FuzzDn needs to post more. will vote him untill he comes up and gives us more content.

unvote

VOTE: FuzzDN

[FuDuzn]

First, it is FuDuzn......I think it has been a conspiracy that everyone on this site spells my name wrong lol

Second, are you voting me as a prod or do you think I am scum? Or is this just a pre emptive sheeping(sounds like an oxymoron I know)?

Third, on my computer. Gonna catch up and post some thoughts.

Andddd......Go!

[notscience]

sorry for the vla. I was on a business trip. Now I'm reading all to catch up.

but i agree with cynical that it's weird to see notscience asking people about the "no lynch" thing.

Thats nice.

I just think notscience is trying to look very active and to pass an image of a scum hunter.
Also would like to point to everyone else that being active and "scum hunter" looking doesnt necessarilly mean you are town. It also could be scum trying to look town. Where this paranoid come from nts ? town or scum ? I'll leave it for day 2 or 3.

Setting a mislynch on the backburner is noted.

I agree that FuzzDn needs to post more. will vote him untill he comes up and gives us more content.

Hypocritical scum. Vote is now seriouser.

unvote

VOTE: FuzzDN

[FuDuzn]

Woah, got pretty scared at the site crash!

God damnit we lost a lot of responses. People, post opinions on mine and dessew's debates.

I think what FuDuzn means is that any posting activity at this point is helpful, but just because you do so it doesn't make you town?

Yes, that actually is exactly what I meant.

It's intresting that

notscience

asked what people think about no-lynch (#25). No-lynch always bad for town execpt in very specific situations like mylo. So anyone wanting to go for no-lynch is either poor player or scum. This was a weird move to ask peoples opinion on thing like this.

Scummy move from

Feel It

to ask (#46) why we don't want to put people to L-1 in random voting phase. Might not be dangerous in other games but in newbie games a new player might hammer recardless of aliagment. This could mess up the whole game.

What? I have Feel It's 46 quoted just above this, he didn't mention anything of the sort. Did you mean a different post, or is that a serious misrep?

Asking it is interesting. Answering yes to it is either poor or scummy. Just felt like he was sizing up the competition. Again nothing to do with alignment.

You can size me up any day, baby.

Now I like to have fun with a lot of my posting, but this was all fluff a zero content when we are clearly out of rvs. Not a fan of this but in a newbie game I wouldn't see scum being this comfortable to make a post like this.

I had posted earlier, but it looks like it got ate in the site crash sorry guys.

I think that the exchange between notscience and Dessew comes mostly down to a misunderstanding in terminology, but I also think that Dessew backtracking looks pretty sketch. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but his word choice was very interesting to me.

In regards to activity correlating to alignment, just because someone posts frequently doesn't make them good or bad. In fact, someone who is town could post a lot of bad information and have that be potentially more dangerous to us in the long run.

There are rare occasions where no lynch is acceptable, but I feel 98% of the time no lynch is a very poor play. It's also a pretty basic ploy to get newer players to mess up.

Cynical, why do you still not have a vote down?

I am very new to forum posting stuff, so hopefully this turns out all right...

Vote: notscience

I agree he has been posting frequently while saying very little. For now, I am going to vote for him. I was just waiting to see what developed bandwagon-wise, etc.

DDP, can I get a clarification on a facet of your role as IC? If you die, are you no longer able to help the newbie players out?

I feel like those trying to bandwagon DDP have targeted him as an experienced player. Removing him under the guise of a bandwagon could be a convenient early play.

Okay, you want me to do stuff?

VOTE: Cynical

He essentially just sheeped Feel it's reasoning and placed that vote in an attempt to blend into town. Atm, he's also trying to say a wagon that was established in RVS is a ruse to eliminate the IC, and yet does not elaborate on the people on the wagon, and choses to vote someone else. Admittedly, I was on the Danny wagon, but I was the FIRST on the wagon. Note how that's not in his reasoning for voting me, only reasoning brought up be Feel it is. Not to mention, they say they targetted him as an "experienced player" when the people who were on his wagon were primarily the SEs.

Feel it, I'm taking that as an insult and will ask you not to make comments such as that more please. You're riding my ass for not posting content when other people are doing the exact same thing and not getting called out for it.

Exhibit A) Danny
Exhibit B) MVM
Exhibit C) You yourself up until that post had no content whatsoever

Fu, what call am I sheeping? The fact that I used something you did and his reaction in my case=sheeping?

You want to say I'm scum feel it? Go ahead. Don't care. I'll be over here trying to catch actual scum.

I find it insulting when he depicts the entirety of my play as posting a lot without actual content.

Tell me Feel It, because you seem to be a

professional

on my meta, do I post like this as town or scum, and provide proof of it to back your claim up.

I haven't had content based on everyone else posting so little and essentially RVS, so it must be I'm sucm, the two must not correlate.

Here, I'll ISO so You get that content that you say I'm lacking

DDDP has done jack and yet I'm apparently worse than him

Dessew has posted a crapton and hasn't done much of anything other than debate with me and ask if someone read every post on page 2

Feel it, as much as he pisses me off is looking town thus far. He's asking questions and getting involved in stuff. Still hasn't had a lot of content pre-this debate.

Fu- he says I sheep'd him and I don't see any sheeping whatosever, misrepping to the max as well as quick to jump on the wagon outside of RVS makes him possible scum. I'd bet it more if Cynical wasn't on this wagon, as scum like to have 1 on 1 off every wagon, but I'll come back to that later.

Cynical hasn't done anything but according to Feel it neither have I so I can't say anything

mvm hasn't done anything and see above for the rest of this line

Smudger looks logical, nothing indicative of either alignment

Z7 is town just for calling out Feel it's bit about L-1 and the derphammers.

Happy, or is this just another low content post that doesn't appease you?

Ok, this was a thing. Starting with Cynical making a post somewhat calling out notscience but not voting for him, seems a bit odd that he would do that so I politely ask him about not having a vote down, suprisingly enough I guess he was ready to vote him just needed a prod(?). Then notscience responds and goes a little faux batshit insane(that is right, I don't believe his anger was genuine). Tbh I have seen scum buddies fight like this in newbie games, I don't want to make that leap quite yet but struck me as interesting nonetheless. And I this point I feel very good with my vote on notscience, but then we fast forward and look at this little nugget.

How would you guys feel about lynching mvm? I don't think any of us have a read on him due to his inactivity. Even if he is a town, for the rvs it might do us good to lynch him simply because he isn't being very helpful or productive. I also am leaning towards scum on him.

Danny, can I get a little bit more on why you don't like Z7 other than he makes you feel uneasy? I know it's Day 1 so there I don't expect incredibly detailed answers, but your reasoning is a little vague.

Smudger, I echo Feel It's thoughts on your accusation. Why single him out for not contributing specifically? I feel that he has contributed a fair amount. And Smudger, when you say Z7 should be higher than me, do you mean he should be more towny or more scummy?

I'am with notscience (#102) concerning

mvmafia

. That guy really needs to come to this game. Passivity without reason is scummy and because he is posting to two other games beside this means there isn't a good reason. But HopefullyCynical is little to eager (#104) to lynch him on just these bases. I would agree that we should at least put some votes on him, but never lynch people without hearing them out.

VOTE: mvmafia

Ps. Right side is the scummy side on my scumometer (tm) So currently I'am getting bad vibes from DDDP and Feel It. But most of this is just a gut feelings at this stage. There have been some small slips but nothing I could use for a solid case.

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HopefullyCynical < Smudger < Dessew < FuDuzn < notscience < mvmafia < DDDP < Feel It

Personally I think mvm's passiveness is a null tell, he's a lurker in general and it looks to me like he's gonna be scapegoated into an easy lynch.

Stating at you are posting from phone or that you have real life urgencies are (by definition) excuses. I'am not judging are they good or bad or real or made-up but they are excuses. Real life sometimes comes in way of my mafia games and I completely understand that. Only thing I have problem is promising something (like posting) and not doing it.

A couple things here Z7, MVM and I were both lurky in this game at the same time and MVM even said that he was vla.....so why does his lurking seem scummier than my lurking? and if you don't want him lynched then why do you want to start a wagon on him? And why not then start a wagon on one of the two people you have listed as scummier on your scumometer? Could it have something to do with that you don't think you could get them mislynched, so easier to go for the lurker? And I said I would post by today, and I am. I am never a big fan of lynch all lurkers, bad scum hunting strategy imo. But this goes beyond that, and basically admit that MVM isn't actually scummy.......just easier to make it seem like he is.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Z7