Newbie 1393 Game Over

[FuDuzn]

Oh shoot, forgot to give reads as well.

Basically Z7 is my top scum read, followed by notscience and Cynical. DDDP and Dessew are both null to me, Dessew leading a bit more towards the scum side of null since he seems too afraid to make a mistake. I lean towards MVM being town, though admittedly it is partially because of the people who want him lynched. Feel It is my most solid town read.

[notscience]

Lol, people always overestimate me. Why am I scum Fu?

Btw, z7 had reasons for his "lurking." P sure I was first on mvm wagon as a pressure vote, but his receny post made it more serious as hevoted for lurking when its all hes done. Fu, he posted everywhere else on the site but not here. Why?

[FuDuzn]

I think you might be scum for your interaction with Cynical and your overall fakeness to your posts.

And I don't understand the second paragraph, I never said Z7 was lurking. But about the second point, I don't like mvm's vote on me either(more specifically the reasoning), but I want to hear more from him. Hence why I was asking if his vote on me was anything more then a prod vote.

But Z7 has been much more scummy then anyone considering all available info.

[notscience]

I disagree, I tthink mvm is.

They arent falk, but you wont believe me so meh.

You made a comment as to why mvms lurking was worst over you 3(p sure, hard to double check by phone)

What do you think was faked? Me being pissed off?

[FuDuzn]

What comment did I make about mvm's lurking being worse? Thought is was similar to mine.

Also yes, you being pissed off was part of it. Your omgus towards cynical was just strange and your anger seemed forced, you just had a reaction that seemed off to me.

[Feel It]

FuDuzn, what do you think of Smudger?

[FuDuzn]

FuDuzn, what do you think of Smudger?

Jeez, my lack of a read on him should tell you how much of an impression he has made lol.

Seriously though, after a quick iso he has pretty much said some things but really has said nothing.......from my count doesn't even have a vote down. He(clearly) has flown under the radar but I get a 'quietly pulling the strings' vibe from him.

[Feel It]

Hmm, well I disagree with most of your reads actually, Cynical seems pretty town to me, Dessew and Z7 both lean town as well. You, mvm and notscience are null overall. DDDp is comic relief. Smudger seems really cautious and I just get a bad vibe from him, would like to see more.

[FuDuzn]

Why does Z7 lean town to you?

[Feel It]

He's been fairly involved, made good posts and some interesting reads on people. Not 100% due to not voting for me, his biggest scumread.

[HopefullyCynical]

He's been fairly involved, made good posts and some interesting reads on people. Not 100% due to not voting for me, his biggest scumread.

This is actually a fairly good point in my opinion. I can understand wanting the lurkers to post more, but why would you not vote for the person you think is the scummiest?

FuDuzn, thank you for wanting to play the game and making good on your word.

[Smudger]

but i agree with cynical that it's weird to see notscience asking people about the "no lynch" thing.
I just think notscience is trying to look very active and to pass an image of a scum hunter.

would you say his posts do not contain enough content to pass as scum hunting then? If so what about yourself?

First, it is FuDuzn......I think it has been a conspiracy that everyone on this site spells my name wrong lol

Second, are you voting me as a prod or do you think I am scum? Or is this just a pre emptive sheeping(sounds like an oxymoron I know)?

Third, on my computer. Gonna catch up and post some thoughts.

Andddd......Go!

what a waste of effort this is.

[Smudger]

Now I like to have fun with a lot of my posting, but this was all fluff a zero content when we are clearly out of rvs. Not a fan of this but in a newbie game I wouldn't see scum being this comfortable to make a post like this.

why do people do this,” If I was scum” I would not do this? WIFOM much?

[Smudger]

Basically Z7 is my top scum read, followed by notscience and Cynical. DDDP and Dessew are both null to me, Dessew leading a bit more towards the scum side of null since he seems too afraid to make a mistake. I lean towards MVM being town, though admittedly it is partially because of the people who want him lynched. Feel It is my most solid town read.

and me? what about me? Feel it seems to think I am scummy so why not agree with him about me if he is your most solid town read?

but I get a 'quietly pulling the strings' vibe from him.

which means what please?

[Smudger]

It was mostly how he substituted the word interesting for anything useful in his second post that bothered me; it's nothing substansive but felt like I should poke at him a bit.

the use of wording is a scum tell now? please expand?

Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering prick ya. notscience, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Dessew. You may fold under questioning.

sorry? had him? Had him doing what? or is this sarcasm?

[Dessew]

A couple things here Z7, MVM and I were both lurky in this game at the same time and MVM even said that he was vla.....so why does his lurking seem scummier than my lurking? and if you don't want him lynched then why do you want to start a wagon on him? And why not then start a wagon on one of the two people you have listed as scummier on your scumometer? Could it have something to do with that you don't think you could get them mislynched, so easier to go for the lurker? And I said I would post by today, and I am. I am never a big fan of lynch all lurkers, bad scum hunting strategy imo. But this goes beyond that, and basically admit that MVM isn't actually scummy.......just easier to make it seem like he is.

Here's where you state that Z7 was lurking.

mvm's lurking is worse than yours. Either he voted you because you were lurking, that's just lol, or he made a prod-vote, then he hasn't made a serious vote yet. Neither of them is townish at all. He hasn't even posted reads. My top townread is HC, the reasoning is similar to yours about FI. notscience's anger seems to be genuine (he even made a screw-up in #68 and #73). Z7 has taken part in the game, he posted his reads, his opinions and doesn't look scummy imo. The fact that he isn't voting FI is interesting but not a scumtell. Smudger made a post that he won't be active on the weekend. I agree that he should vote and yes, he's being cautious. FI's reactions are mixed, it's hard to get anything about them. DDDP has posted only very little content. I voted you because of #69. Retrospectively, it wasn't a good case and you are still using the same reasoning as then but my vote is staying because you said that mvm is townish while he's leaning scum (mostly due to his last post)

btw, mvm doesn't really care about the votes on him so they're doing nothing there. If you want to lynch him, it can be done on Wednesday or Thursday. We sould take our time.

[Z7-852]

Finally some content from our two lurkers.

First the

mvmafia

post (#146). I don't know if I'am being bias due to his lurking but that post seems scummy to me. Most importantly it's the vote on FuDuzn that looks like a red herring. Not giving own arguments just going with the flow and rest of the group. Also I believe it was me who first pointed out notsciences weird random questions. Little misrep here and little budding toward HopefullyCynical there. This post makes him my number one scum candidate now. What comes to my reason (#149) find mvmafias lurking more scummy than FuDuzn is that he didn't make excuses just saying V/LA time after time. I stated this earlier (#143). And like notscience stated (#151) mvmafia have been active on site but not in this thread. This and his lack on content make is lurking more suspicious that FuDuzn.

I like the

FuDuzn

summary post (#149) even if I'am not big fan of long quotes. Somehow that post is really hard to follow. If you want to quote, quote only that what's important. Links in my quote (#52) are broken and the posts where I refer to were lost due site crash. So my evidence have been literally washed away. What comes to his reads (#150) they are quite uninformative. Everyone is leaning scum or null except mvmafia and Feel It. Also intrensting to note is that FuDuzn didn't list his reads on Smudger. He gave this just after asked (#155). Possible scum not remembering to give reads on his partner or just a small mistake. Nevertheless it's something noteworthy.

Smudger

s latest posts (#161-#164) strike me as scummy. There was one sentence that wasn't a question and most of the questions were rhetorical. It's just lot of text but little content. Yes he is trying to invoke conversation but he's not really giving anything to us. No personal views or reads or anything. Here I have to agree with Fuduzn (#156) that Smudger is trying to fly under the radar and acting as neutral and null as possible.

My reads have started to get stronger more activity there have been. I haven't voted for Feel it (#159, #160) because I wanted to place pressure votes on lurkers. Now that I have content from them I'am more at ease at voting scummiest players.
VOTE: mvmafia

Scumometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical < Dessew < FuDuzn < notscience < DDDP < Smudger < Feel It < mvmafia

[Smudger]

Smudgers latest posts (#161-#164) strike me as scummy. There was one sentence that wasn't a question and most of the questions were rhetorical. It's just lot of text but little content. Yes he is trying to invoke conversation but he's not really giving anything to us. No personal views or reads or anything. Here I have to agree with Fuduzn (#156) that Smudger is trying to fly under the radar and acting as neutral and null as possible.

give me a chance I am still putting stuff together

such as this

Feel It would seem to have the hots for HC

HopefullyCynical seems a newbie town. Got us fooled if scum.

Cynical seems pretty town to me,

I also refer back to this

Smudger, I echo Feel It's thoughts on your accusation. Why single him out for not contributing specifically? I feel that he has contributed a fair amount.

looking at Feel It in ISO, then I would say his post contribution is the same as mine, and so I would actually agree, and retract my comment. I suppose it is as I state in my post 109.

let me just qualify things a little, I may have retracted my comment about the number of posts but Feel It remains my No 1 scum right now. His posts have increased in number but they still do not IMO openly hunt scum. It is either a run down on his current feel for players in game or justifying why mvm should be lynched. He raises a question about myself to FuDuzn, but no one else?

and on closer inspection his scum and town feels seem to vary, in one area in particular

Hmm, well I disagree with most of your reads actually, Cynical seems pretty town to me, Dessew and Z7 both lean town as well. You, mvm and notscience are null overall. DDDp is comic relief. Smudger seems really cautious and I just get a bad vibe from him, would like to see more.

I like questions more than just stating it.

Smudger, who is scum?

currently, no-one is standout i my mind, but that is probably as my mind is still trying to decipher what the hell you guys see that is scum and what is not. I need to really concentrate and see what I can pick up. what is somewhat annoying is the fact that the opening punches are somewhat vicious and, to be honest mostly misleading' If you want to push me then I would actually put my vote back on Feel It, as his sum contribution is what? Squat.... I would also disagree with Z7 he left himself off his list and he should be higher than me or Hopeful, as right now I get a town vibe from him (hopeful)

I find that interesting. I've made observations, accusations and put a vote down, and I'd say I've put in as much as you, and more than Danny and mvm, so it's curious that you singled out me for not contributing. Feels almost like like a buddy attempt with notscience and Z7. VOTE: Smudger

notscience has become even more carefree with his posts even with my pressure so if he is scum he's pulling off a good masquerade.

I think Danny is just a town not taking himself seriously, but I could be wrong and he's pulling a double bluff.

Z7's estimations of people are a bit odd, how is mvm more town than FuDuzn? He seems town though.

Dessew and FuDuzn are both null for now, haven't really been able to get a read on them.

mvm has done nothing useful, will have put as a leaning scum for now, would like to see more involvement.

HopefullyCynical seems a newbie town. Got us fooled if scum.

Personally I think mvm's passiveness is a null tell, he's a lurker in general and it looks to me like he's gonna be scapegoated into an easy lynch.

in particular the last comment in #103 set against #117. what changed in that time? considering he has not been on or posted?

[Smudger]

There was one sentence that wasn't a question and most of the questions were rhetorical.

would that be in your opinion, as I don't see any rhetorical questions, they are all questions I have asked of the people I have quoted, you do know what that word means do you not?

[Smudger]

in particular the

second from last

last comment in #103 set against #117

Fixed

[Z7-852]

I'am sorry Smudger but your post are hard to read. You could really spend little more time on them and stopping that needles quoting. It's good to refer to post you are talking about but quoting half of the thread is just needless. But at least you had some good findings about Feel it.

[Smudger]

noted,

[FuDuzn]

Now I like to have fun with a lot of my posting, but this was all fluff a zero content when we are clearly out of rvs. Not a fan of this but in a newbie game I wouldn't see scum being this comfortable to make a post like this.

why do people do this,” If I was scum” I would not do this? WIFOM much?

I never said 'if I was scum', just saying that in my experience playing newbie games I haven't seen a newbie player act like that as scum. Most newbies don't get that comfortable that early in a game as scum.

Also, Feel It only asked me about you(smudger) because I had inadvertenly left you out of my reads. I don't know why that would be a 'thing' to point out about Feel It.

And Dessew, on my post 149 I totally did not say Z7 was lurking. That post was about how he was going after lurkers.

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

We aren't lurker lynching this soon before deadline.

[Feel It]

@Smudger: It changed when everybody bandwagoned on him for lurking, was too easy a target for people to gang up on and brought my attention to others. Like I said I'm not convinced he's town but lynching someone just for lurking is not really good town play.