Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Nobody Special]

I'll pass, thanks.

[Titus]

Ok. I'm off to bed now. Hopefully, Nexus will answer the question I have while I'm asleep. Then, people can come on and I can gain some clarity on behaviors. A lot of people have vanished.

[Nexus]

If the roleblocker blocks the Jailkeeper then the JK's action doesn't go off.

However, if the Rber rbs someone else, and the JK JKs the RBer, then the RBer's action fails.

The RBer only takes precedence if they target each other.

[DoctorPepper]

If we can stop talking about set ups that would be great.

Some people need prodding

[Nexus]

If we can stop talking about set ups that would be great.

Some people need prodding

Not yet they don't.

[DoctorPepper]

Bob, I've seen you online. Care to comment or will you continue to be a huge lurksack?

[Titus]

Ok. Now here's what the host's answer tells me.

A) We can remove any people who have posted a lot but not claimed roleblocked as possibilities. Roleblocked is the only feedback the town can claim that doesn't help the mafia, so I cannot imagine someone not claiming roleblocked.
B) The option that the jailkeeper jailed the roleblocker who blocked someone else is still possible, but unlikely.
C) If the option went the other way, I'd be near certain that there was no roleblocker unless a total lurker was roleblocked.
D) Now that I've formed the opinion roleblocker is unlikely in the setup, it's unlikely we have a cop and a doctor.

I'm going to take the rest of the morning (IRL) to reflect on this.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I was on my phone. I don't like to post from my phone.

I'm more confused about where I stand between DocPep and Titus now than I was at the start of the day. Will look back again this evening; clearly got some thinking to do.

This is the second time you promised content and disappeared.

Yeah, I said Bacde's reaction was scummy. What about it?

Looking at how no one died last night, and the IC didnt die, there are three things to consider
1) IC was protected
2) Scum know that the Ic is likely to be protected
3) IC is scum/IC got jailed.

Why do you think the IC is either last night's target or a mafioso?

[DoctorPepper]

That post just looks like you wanted to look like youre asking questions. If you read, you'd understand why i have a suspicion.

[Nobody Special]

Vote: OMG CDB

[Bicephalous Bob]

DP, is this your reason?

Besides, in a newbie game, newb scum tend to think the IC is some all powerful scum hunting God, so he usually dies first. IC not dying indicates scum with some experience.

The fact that the mafiosi failed to kill anyone at all indicates experience? That reminds me of a TV trope.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[Pebro]

A) We can remove any people who have posted a lot but not claimed roleblocked as possibilities. Roleblocked is the only feedback the town can claim that doesn't help the mafia, so I cannot imagine someone not claiming roleblocked.

Yes it helps mafia. You don't get a message if you're role-blocked, so the only way you know is if you're a PR. I thought we went over this. For clarification, you also don't know if you're saved by a doc or being shot as a BP or been investigated by a cop.
Ruleset is in need of clarification, I give you that, I agree that the jail keeper and role blocker interaction isn't clear.
You played a game before, how come you didn't ask these questions back then?

Pepper, did your opinion about Bacde change because of the night-kill?

[Titus]

I assumed that roleblocks would be notified to all. That is how sc2mafia does that. I can't ask for every little difference because I don't know what they are.

Mod: Do townies get messages about roleblocked?

[Nobody Special]

Daykill: Titus

There. Now we can get something accomplished.

[Nexus]

I assumed that roleblocks would be notified to all. That is how sc2mafia does that. I can't ask for every little difference because I don't know what they are.

Mod: Do townies get messages about roleblocked?

No

[DoctorPepper]

DP, is this your reason?

Besides, in a newbie game, newb scum tend to think the IC is some all powerful scum hunting God, so he usually dies first. IC not dying indicates scum with some experience.

The fact that the mafiosi failed to kill anyone at all indicates experience? That reminds me of a TV trope.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

This makes me scum? How exactly? Opportunistic vote. Way to go scum

I am at L-1.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.1:

DoctorPepper (2) -

ChannelDelibird, Bicephalous Bob

Titus (2) -

DoctorPepper, Pebro

ChannelDelibird (1)-

Nobody Special

Not voting (2) -

Titus, JKMatthews, Bacde

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm BST on 12th July 2013.

[DoctorPepper]

Wait, Titus unvoted. Thanks for the VC

CDB, Bacde and JKM - where are you?

[Titus]

Wow. What a mislead Dr. Pepper? You didn't read I unvoted you because I was actually questioning my logic for a moment. Wow. Even, then you'd need one more to be at L-1. What happened to make you think you were at L-1?



As for the townies not getting roleblocked messages, I have a soapbox on that.

Townies not getting roleblocked messages makes no sense. It turns logical scumhunting on its head. Newbies would claim roleblocked thinking they are helping town but they are really helping scum. Town gains a lot by figuring out the setup usually. The mafia already starts with a headstart because they know whether or not a roleblocker is in the game. I've burned through a fair bit of time based on unwritten assumptions that were not clear. Can you please clarify these assumptions for future games? I'm seriously annoyed by how the roleblocker is structured. Roles that encourage townies to withhold information from each other are BAD generally. I do understand that the focus should be on player analysis but that is greatly helped by knowing what is and is not possible. I cannot count how many times scum have been caught because they claim a role that DOES NOT EXIST. A setup that encourages hiding said facts and discouraging process of elimination (one of the most basic logic tools) should be told to the players in advance if not eliminated entirely.

End of soapbox.

[DoctorPepper]

I did not realize you unvoted me. Simple as that.

Please stop complaining about the lack of a roleblock message

[Titus]

Who else did you think was on your train? I'd put you at L-2.

I said my soapbox piece. I am done on that.

[DoctorPepper]

Look at the V and see if you hadnt unvoted, I'd be L-1

[Titus]

I'm supposing the "V" is the votecount. I'd be the third voter. It takes five votes to lynch because no one died. So who was the fourth voter?

[JKMatthews]

VOTE: Titus
Theory: Titus is scum and there's a roleblocker. Kill didn't go through, so Titus (thinking VT would get an RB message) wants to eliminate someone as a potential doctor. This theory is kinda weak,

except

that Titus cares so much about the RB/JK interaction, which looks to me like scum trying to figure out the setup.

I don't believe I have selectively responded to questions. You however have missed a possibly helpful question about how the jailor works. I really would like to know that for my scumhunt.

That's just not even trying to come up with a reason. "For my scumhunt". Pretty weak...

@NS - forgive the hypocrisy, but it seems D2 might be a good time to start making some fleshier posts...

[Titus]

I really wanted to know so I could figure out the setup for everyone. Like you said, the scum know if there's a roleblocker so why would I be so focused on what I (theoretically) already knew? Your theory seems pretty clear to you but it's just wrong. I thought I was helping with that. I said "for my scumhunt" because I felt that Dr. Pepper and NS have been avoiding helping me out by putting me down for asking questions and then skipping them. Everyone else was lurking. So yeah, I felt rather alone.