The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Andrius]

VoteCount

KillerApple [6] - Ankamius, xReckonerx, Venmar, Generic, ChannelDelibird, Metal Sonic
Metal Sonic [4] - Amrun, macmollie, KillerApple, AurorusVox
Venmar [2] - Tierce, Dekes
Dekes [1] - Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 [1] - tsunami

Not Voting [3] - Nexus, BROseidon, Tamuz

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline will be July 6th 2013, 4:00pm PST.

Prods going out.

[Venmar]

Why are we backing off of the lynch?

Freys and Lannisters being enemies could make sense, although highly unlikely since they are allies, so they wouldn't multiball each other in my personal opinion. Probably best to not speculate this until some flips.

[Tierce]

Prodded. Sorry, I get too lazy to tether my phone and equally lazy to phonepost. I'll be here tonight.

[BROseidon]

Prodded. Will try to catch up tonight or tomorrow.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm wavering a little in how sure I am but I'd still be pretty happy with a lynch-KillerApple vig-MetalSonic approach, I think.

People arguing over how many scumgroups there are should feel bad.

[KillerApple]

People arguing over how many scumgroups there are should feel bad.

This. I don't see how that argument would be relevant AT ALL in this stage of the game. Useless speculation.

[Amrun]

It's not. It's actually harmful. That's why I said we should not be talking about. Anything is possible at this stage. End of story.

If the KillerApple lynch goes through I won't cry, but I'm much more comfortable lynching Metal Sonic.

[tsunami]

I think I said I'd get back to this game tonight, but after a week full of interview stress and flight delays, my car broke down 200 miles from home. My mind is not capable of mafia at the moment.

I will try to get to this game tomorrow, but I promise promise after Tuesday I'll stop being so useless.

It's pretty obvious why Venmar said it's awkward with KA, and I'm vacillating on KA. I think I need to respond to Amrun, mostly a reminder to myself. I also think my other head has left me.

[Generic]

Apologies for this lazy request, but since I've been a bit out of the loop over the weekend, can someone briefly summarise the case against metal sonic?

It appears to have some momentum and I'm intrigued as to why.

Otherwise when I have time later I will Iso his posts and see for myself.

[Metal Sonic]

fucking stupid scum wagon

4 votes in 10 pages

[Metal Sonic]

Then why was the scum killing him ever a possibility?

well the scum aint gonna kill this guy.

are you sleepy?

Your question is stupid and your vote is bad. You should feel stupid and bad.

[Tierce]

I should have a new router tomorrow and things should be less irritating. Anyway--off to business.

Not enough. But I am more interested in KillerApple following up the post I just quoted with a lengthy self-meta read, when Ankamius hadn't even explained what those bad vibes were; he wasn't interested in asking Ankamius himself why he was voting him, but was quick to justify himself the moment someone else asked.

Back to this now that I am more or less conscious--KillerApple, you didn't show interest as to

why

Ankamius thought your posts were bad. The jump to conclusions is odd; why should you assume you are scummy when the site meta is different, you are not playing with the same people, and your actions are Town-motivated? It's the lack of curiosity that bothers me; you're not interested as to

why

Ankamius got bad vibes from your posts, you already

know

(or act like you do).

But then he goes and says ballsy stuff like "I dare you to lynch me" and I don't think he would have the confidence to do it as scum, as he seems self-conscious of his image from that Ankamius bit; he knows this is how he comes across as Town and doesn't bother to ask anymore.

That

makes the picture make sense. Good Townread, would munch on (more apples and less killing, pretty please with apple on top).


Let's go back to page 6 for a moment:

I can't for the love of god remember why I said frustrated. Go ahead and lynch me for it.

ok

VOTE: KillerApple

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Reck and Venmar: what is the scum benefit for KillerApple to admit this? Wouldn't it have been far easier to make something up?

It's scummy because when town players say things, they usually have conviction/reasoning behind what they say. But when scum players post, many times they fill their post with hot air or force reads that they don't actually believe (because they already know who is scum and who isn't) and those "forced reads" are accompanied by flowery adjectives that are empty and vapid.

The problem is that it's

not

. He used that word, you called him on it, scumApple would have every benefit in figuring out an excuse. He doesn't care about an excuse because he's Town.

I like the read because it's proven to be quite accurate in my experiences, but only on the right wagons, of course it doesn't apply on EVERY wagon. I thought the wagons speed and the way Amrun jumped applied said read.

Oh no no no.

Why

did "said read" apply? You're doing the same crap I do as scum, which is shore up my cases with BS mafia theory. The rest of the Amrun justification wasn't

bad

, but adding this? That is a terribly lame excuse to vote someone. "She only joined the wagon when there was some interest. Oh, and third spot on a wagon and GUT >:D" No. Crap read. Crap justification. Bad scum player, no biscuit.

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Unlike Venmar, he's being dismissive

and

scumhunting at the same time. That's not unheard of from Town players at all.


Venmar is yet to scumhunt. He justified his behavior and then stopped doing

anything

but joking around as the pressure mounted off him and onto KillerApple. This does not sound like a real dismissal of the wagon, as he doesn't care enough to do

anything else

even when his behavior was called out as scummy. Contrast with KillerApple, who is actively participating and looking for scum--Venmar's posts are just

push push push

without content behind them. See, for example:

Lol, I like CDB, he's funny.

Har har. And how about the content people have been posting at that point? How about the Metal Sonic discussion? How about everything that CDB and Nexus posted? Yeah, let's not bother about that, why should he.

Incidentally, Venmar's softclaim is dull and awkward. Yes, I know who you're softclaiming, but there is no way that KillerApple's claim would make things "awkward" for you.


If I had a bullet, it would have Nacho's name on it. Post 171 is what my I-finally-caught-Nacho-scum dreams are made of (no, #175 doesn't fix it, you should know FAR before then that KillerApple is Town). Can we move on to a later Day where that lynch is viable? I'm asking nicely.

Also, unless I'm co fusing you with another player (on my phone so it's all small text) have you just attempted to vote for apple and then cleared him as town? Erratic to the extreme, what's with the meltdown?

I didn't really think he was that scummy when I voted him, but I didn't mind turning up the pressure. His response reminded me of somebody that I used to know.

Adding to the pressure by an unexplained vote with a guy who doesn't care about his wagon? No biscuit, no bonnet, but I offer rope.


I had another bullet with Nexus's name on it (his Venmar scumread evaporated halfway through #224) and then I remembered he was the one who shared my reasoning for Venmar's vote being awful on his next post. Problem is that I don't think Venmar is bussing.


Don't like Amrun with no sense of paranoia (no paranoia on me? no paranoia on Nacho?), and don't like her and Reck egging the easiest-wagon-in-the-history-of-wagons along. Still, Reck is probably Town if Venmar flips scum--I don't think Venmar would be following a buddy THAT much.

And Amrun? Amrun.

Oh my God, did you just say that people who look scummy in day 1 are not scum and that's why you unvoted?

This wedding isn't red enough for me.

How is this scummy.

In what world is that silly, ridiculous statement scummy. It's STUPID, it's utterly idiotic, he

doesn't know how to scumhunt

. But it's not scummy to say that and you're trying to egg on a wagon on stupidity. Bullet, crosshairs, dead cat. Does anyone care to count how many times Amrun has tried to push the KillerApple wagon on? Because I'm going through a LOT of those posts and that push adds nothing to the discussion.

Why are you so concerned with tearing down my townread of AV?

Holy exaggeration batman. tsunami was trying to figure out

why

you think that early Townreads on you are Townish, and you jump to

this

?

If your wagon is scum ridden, who is scum on it?

Venmar, Reck, and Metal Sonic.

So how can you claim we'll get no information from your lynch?

are you for real

Are you seriously saying he can't analyze his own wagon before flipping

when he knows his own alignment

? Because that's what this sentence implies. He doesn't see information in his flip, because he

already has it

. But you're incapable of seeing this from his PoV. Why?

But apparently Venmar's been dropping character hints; I didn't pay attention to jokes in regards to this. But KA was looking for it, apparently, so that's scummy.

Ooooh boy. Yeah, because it's totally unheard of for Town to be looking for flavor hints, when they like the flavor and

want to know a bit more about the damned game

. Criminal for Town to be curious. But Amrun is a saint and wasn't looking for it, look how Town she is for it!

Not answering that question?

You're scum.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

What question?


I'll also take CDB, Nexus, macmollie as Town. CDB, your reads suck. Please fix it.

Was the request for more of me from Mac? I'd expect so. I haven't engaged you because I had yet to engage anyone and I don't really see a reason to be discussing things with you right now. Unless you want to powerwagon Nacho and that would be GLORIOUS but also not happening Today because people are boring. I'll just get in line for hair-braiding mollie instead.


Things this game needs right now: one new router for me, a rope, one dead Venmar, one dead Amrun and a time machine so we can have a dead Nacho (though I'll take just a trip to after-Tuesday if that can't be arranged--more Tammy is a good temporary (ha) alternative to Nacho Needs Dead Already). Shipment to the Twins, to be paid on delivery. Flaying can be arranged as alternative payment.

[ChannelDelibird]

Fuck this.

UNVOTE: KillerApple
VOTE: Metal Sonic

At least

pretend

to give even the most fleeting shit about other people's alignments. Arrogantly bleating on about how every vote on you has exposed the voter as scum is helping the town in precisely zero ways.

I challenge you to make a post of 50 words or more in which you do not once mention (even obliquely) any votes on you.

[macmollie]

I am town :/

PROVE. IT.

see nexus what is this? we just had this EXACT conversation and you told me it you didn't have to convince me you were town, I had to convince others you were scum & until then you wouldn't prove anything.

can you please explain this so I can go back to thinking you are town.

[KillerApple]

Okay, so let's examine Metal Sonic in iso, shall we?

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

No. I called you out for lurking.

Btw I finished all 9 pages yeah I'm up to scratch

Says this, proceeds to not say a damn thing about his reads or what he thinks of anything going on.

Who's that nut job that accuses the guy with 2 posts to be scum?

If you read your own posts, you would know that this is me. And again, it was calling you out for lurking.

if I remember correctly, town MS is a lurksack but I have never seen him hide from accusations behind the number of his posts. but I may have to dig a little deeper into this. if I can be bothered

He's a lurk sack as scum too. In nightless when I started suspecting him for ignoring the game, he let me know the only thing I was suspecting him for was lurking and that it wasn't valid or something, can't remember the specifics, but I do know I got a healthy dose of omgus for suspecting him when he was scum.

????

i dont have scum meta you dolt

WTF is this? Denying your lurking by saying you don't have a scum meta? You must be joking.

lmao its ok

lets have a fun chat

KillerApple is either scum or nutters, he called me "scummy"(not lurking, but SCUMMY) when i had only one rvs post #10 in the game


what do you think about that?

For the third time, I accused you of lurking, not being scum. Here is PROOF:

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then

doesn't even bother to say anything after.

So we're settled! Lynch KillerApple and vig Metal Sonic. Best wedding ever.

sounds good


Best Wedding ever.



VOTE: KillerApple

You already voted for me. You don't even take the time to read your own posts, let alone anyone else's. This whole time all you've done is say that people who vote for you are stupid (which is a stupid thing to say itself).

Everyone on my wagon has voted me for mostly the same reasons (because of "obvious" scum posts).

Eh, wrong


I voted you because you were a dick.

No regard for my alignment whatsoever. Plus you're contradicting yourself, too. This is so completely scummy.

fucking stupid scum wagon

4 votes in 10 pages

Again, no reads or helpful discussion or anything like that. Small posts with little content that only address the votes on you.

Then why was the scum killing him ever a possibility?

well the scum aint gonna kill this guy.

are you sleepy?

Your question is stupid and your vote is bad. You should feel stupid and bad.

Once again, it looks like you don't even know what you're saying. You said that scum aren't going to kill me, implying that I'm town. You even said in the post that you believed I was a VT. Then Amrun asks if you think I'm town, to which you replied with no (contradiction). Amrun then asks why scum killing me was ever a possibility if I were scum. You respond with circular reasoning by using a quote that implied I was town. This is the scummiest thing in the world.

I really don't think you need any more proof than this. MS tries to cover up his mistakes with ad hom and doesn't even know what the hell he's saying. If he's not scum, the Others can take me.

@Tierce- Holy shit. Not to buddy up or anything, but I think you know me better than I know myself. How confident are you that Nacho is anti? And btw, you're wrong about Amrun. She is definitely town.

[Metal Sonic]

Fuck this.

UNVOTE: KillerApple
VOTE: Metal Sonic

At least

pretend

to give even the most fleeting shit about other people's alignments. Arrogantly bleating on about how every vote on you has exposed the voter as scum is helping the town in precisely zero ways.

I challenge you to make a post of 50 words or more in which you do not once mention (even obliquely) any votes on you.

Dear channeldelibird

delibird is one of the worst pokemon in the pokemon games, competitively or otherwise. all of its base stats are horrible and its 4x weakness to stealth rock renders it competitively unviable. additionally, your avatar depicts a poliwag which although is more useful when battling in-game or with other unevolved pokemon, on a whole it is still inferior to other evolved pokemon such as gengar, infernape and even simisage.


hot damn that was more than 50 words

try harder

[Metal Sonic]

oh man the killer apple ninja'd me

dumb talking apple

i can't believe i even read his wall of bullshit ugh

i should have stopped at "lets"

[Metal Sonic]

oh wait it wasnt a ninja

i just entirely skipped the apple's wall the first time

oh ha

[Venmar]

Tierce your case was pretty bad but I don't wall post anymore, so I guess i can't repsond to you. Go hide behind walls if you want.

The fact the KA wagon dissolved SO QUICKLY, with only just a claim and some MS shenanigans, actually oozes the fact KA is probably town. I hate it when wagons disappear because someone claims, means scum probably drove the wagon, got a claim, and decided to move on to a different target.

Unvote

Tierce might be town.. i don't remember her walling in a game im thinking of where she was scum, need to read into that.

Also need to see what the Metal Sonic thing is about but I don't think I will join it either due to it's speed, will probably return to my Amrun vote.

Har

[Metal Sonic]

yes amrun talking cock and running an insta-wagon against me is a cause for suspect


need others opinions

[ChannelDelibird]

Confirm vote: Metal Sonic

[Metal Sonic]

why does your vote make me feel anxious


i must be sleepy

fuck off scum

nacho/tammy pls help me scum is too powerful

[Amrun]

Tierce, who said I didn't have any paranoia about you? I have plenty. I also have SOME on Nacho simply because he's Nacho, but I read him as town, so it's not quite the same. You, on the other hand, are avoiding the thread and then when you come back, you have nothing of real substance to say. Your point on Venmar is so weak -- "said read" is a terrible basis for a case, much worse than Venmar's basis of a case on me.

The rest is just sidesnipes on me without even making a comment on my alignment. Most of seems to be that you think KA is town and I was scumreading KA. And then when I stop scumreading KA and decide he's town, you don't even say anything, just go "what is going on, what question, i didn't read this bit because it wasn't easy enough to insult"


Metal Sonic should die, yes yes yes

[Metal Sonic]

you should die




crazy old coot

[KillerApple]

MS, you could at least

try

to defend yourself. Your response to anyone who votes for you is that you automatically think they're scum. That's ridiculous.

Generic, help us lynch MS. I gave you that explanation you wanted.