NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4425 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:23 pm

In post 4422, Cephrir wrote:you don't have any credibility to put on the line

With Mollie? yes I do

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #4426 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:23 pm

vc when Im not playing lol

<<<

is bad for your mouth, neck, and lungs if you use it too much. Use caution in the future! >>>

One-Hundred-Fifth Votecount

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(Thirty-Eighth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Does Mastin even MAKE votecounts anymore?" votecount.

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Nero Cain - 5 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Cephrir, Kublai Khan, penguin_alien)

Seanald - 4 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, Desperado)

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Bulbazak - 1 (Nero Cain)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
Bulbazak - 1 (Human Destroyer)

Not Voting - 4 (Seanald, Bulbazak, Rena, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Nero Cain

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 177, post 4400.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4427 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:14 pm

Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4428 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:23 pm

In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?

No, I'm using it as a relative tell.

Nice misrep though

~Mara

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4429 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:38 pm

In post 4428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?
No, I'm using it as a relative tell.

Nice misrep though

A relative tell of what?

Learn what misrep actually means.

ISO · Post Post #4430 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:50 pm

In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?

Fair, but I actually found the rest of it somewhat convincing, or at the very least genuine from AK. Anything to say about that?

ISO · Post Post #4431 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:51 pm

In post 4429, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 4428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?
No, I'm using it as a relative tell.

Nice misrep though
A relative tell of what?

Learn what misrep actually means.

Please don't be intentionally obtuse it isn't cute

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4432 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:06 pm

In post 4430, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?
Fair, but I actually found the rest of it somewhat convincing, or at the very least genuine from AK. Anything to say about that?

I only skimmed it. I'm a little buzzed right now.

In post 4431, Cephrir wrote:Please don't be intentionally obtuse it isn't cute

How about Amethyst Kitty playing Buzzword Bingo? Is that cute?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4433 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:09 pm

The Humor is a relative town-tell, not a straight out town-tell. The misrep lies in the fact that you are stating the "humor as a town tell" is being used as something universal, when it's really obvious that I'm applying it to solely him.

Being intentionally obtuse like that is a pretty reliable scum-tell I think

~Mara

Pedit: Buzzword Bingo?

<<< Oh, god. The horror. WHY. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT?!? >>>

Don't deflect shit

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4434 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:12 pm

Oh damn, Just looked up buzzword bingo and my stuff is far from bullshit

ffullisade · Post Post #4435 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:12 pm

In post 4432, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 4430, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?
Fair, but I actually found the rest of it somewhat convincing, or at the very least genuine from AK. Anything to say about that?
I only skimmed it. I'm a little buzzed right now.

In post 4431, Cephrir wrote:Please don't be intentionally obtuse it isn't cute

How about Amethyst Kitty playing Buzzword Bingo? Is that cute?

bulba has been playing buzzword bingo all game what do you think of that

<<< Fixed a tag. Oh, and also...THE MEMORIES. THE HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE MEMORIES! >>>

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4436 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:19 pm

mollliiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee

ffullisade · Post Post #4437 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:21 pm

ak I am trying to entertain the idea that you are town. wat is your deal here.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4438 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:22 pm

In post 4421, Amethyst Kitty wrote:and what are your thoughts on the Seanald wagon Nero? because I don't like how it was formed at all.

Mollie, I don't particularly find anything appealing in his content, looking more closely at his posts

and most of his analyzing came when he started being attacked.

I will put my own Credibility on the line for This Khan lynch

Bulbazak · Post Post #4439 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:33 pm

Sorry for my absence the past day or so. I needed to take a break from Mafia for awhile.

In post 4414, Nero Cain wrote: Ah, I see you are buddying CTD. Would you like help with that? (no one will get that)

I don't see any point in you not voting me when I'm not in danger of getting lynched so this whole "I'M CATERING TO CTD!" looks nothing more than buddying. What made me leapfrog over Sean?

I am not buddying CTD, and saying so is a blatant misrepresentation. CTD is my, as well as everyone else's, strongest town read. My read on him is so strong that I trust him completely and consider him def. town. Therefore, if he says that he believes he's going to die, and he wants the time to post some final thoughts, I'm going to give them to him, as that is in the town's best interest.

As for switching from Sean to you, that's simply because you're a stronger scumread than he is, and I'm getting tired of your scummy hide existing.

In post 4414, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4305, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: That's like half the point of this game; to speculate on players motives. But the question has NOTHING to do with Bcade and everything to do with AK using a "hey look over there defense".
First, you were asking me about player motives based on votes that may or may not exist, from Bacde no less. Bacde's voting history has been eratic, and I really don't want to get into this, especially in a conversation that's about YOU, not AK. Second, AK was not using a "hey look over there defense", she was asking about your motives and criteria.
This is extremely relevant to our conversation/argument. If YOU think that she was asking me about my motives then its a fair question to ask you why she felt that I should have called out Bacade on his "5th vote"

In post 701, mastin2 wrote:Sixteenth Votecount: (AKA, the "Times are a changin, votes are a not" votecount)
Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)
As you can see, bacde was already on the Nacho wagon and therefore his revote was NOT the 5th vote.

YOU are claiming that this was not a deflect and her asking about my motives. I'm calling bullshit on this 'cause Bacde didn't even have the 5th vote on the Nacho wagon and so Kitty's post looks like nothing more than a "hey look over there" post 'cause I find it very very hard for Mala to legit believe that I should have found his post scummy/opportunistic when he wasn't even the 5th vote.

So explain to me how she was asking about motive and criteria based on a not actual vote.
But this conversation is not about AK's motivation at all. This is about your deflection onto 3 other players. I have explained in great detail the difference between your post and AK's, which you seem intent not to listen to. You have since been trying to steer the conversation away from the original point and onto AK herself, which is in and of itself a deflection, which you have claimed you are not doing.

As for the Bacde 5th vote point, Bacde actually reemphasized his vote after AK placed her vote on Nacho. AK could have easily thought that Bacde was the 5th vote, which was why she was asking about your criteria.
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This is scum faking dumb town. period.

Bulb already IS discussing AK's motivation. He's saying it was her asking about MY criteria and casting it in a pr0-town light. I feel like if he's going to defend Kitty he should understand the context of what happened.

I asked Khan why he read my post as scum. Which is actually no different then AK asking me why I wasn't scumreading Bacade's "5th vote".

I don't know the context? All I've been doing is going to great lengths to explain the context of the post. I've even shown the context, and compared AK's post with yours to show why they are different. The section of AK's post that you quoted was a small part of a whole, and her question was concerned on your criteria for judging a certain scumtell. Your post, on the other hand, is focused on that single point. You then point your finger at 3 other players, saying, "Why aren't they scummy as well?". Finally, if you want to continue to compare, AK didn't end her post with "Why am I not a town read?", which I'd say is more scummy than the entire deflection.

In post 4414, Nero Cain wrote: Are you reading this game at all?!? I accused Mollie of deflecting way back on day 1.

I hope you're not talking about what I think you are, because if so, that is just weak.

In post 4424, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 3018, Nero Cain wrote:I have a question Bulb. I'm obviously a scum read for you since I "deflected" a question. Yesterday, I had felt that AK laid down a pretty opportunistic vote and she goes all "hey look at Bacde's vote!!!"

Why is my deflect scummy but hers isn't?

Also, the guy (KK) who asked me the question that I "deflected" doesn't even think I was deflecting. What do you think about that?
and I think He had another really valid point here I think. His "deflection and Mala's "deflection" are of the same flavor

How so? I don't think so. Why do you?

In post 4424, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 3688, Nero Cain wrote:
bulb wrote: The big difference between this quote and what you did is in tone. Kitty's question is more about the standards of the one questioning her, rather than pointing attention towards someone who did something similar. She is also not as offended with the inquiry as you were when Khan asked his question. Finally, in this instance, she is actually being called scum by you, whereas Khan was just asking a simple question and had not made any accusation, which makes your freakout even more suspicious.

And for those who are curious themselves, here is Nero's response to Khan again:
In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

You think there's a difference in our "deflects" 'cause I'm calling her scum?!? But this is still very much incorrect. The Mala head DID have a scum read on me and Mara was even ok with it until recently.

Kitty did the EXACT same thing as me. I called her fourth vote on Nacho (and her "oh I didn't know there was a Nacho wagon") opportunistic. Her questioning me about why I didn't call out Bcade for his 5th vote (despite him already being on the wagon therefore he wasn't the 5th vote) is no different then my questioning KK over why he didn't question others that were setup speculating.

Also, context says that Khan was light calling me scummy.
I agree with him here actually.

Let me get this straight. All this time that I thought I'd seen town motivation, that I read and looked over what you wrote and saw it not to be scummy, or in the case at hand, a deflection, and therefore stood up for you as a townread, after all that, you are now coming out and saying, "Oh yeah, what I did was totally scummy and a deflection." Are you saying that I read you wrong? Because I'm not getting this. I ignored you townreading and pleading with those super strong scum reads of mine that were intent on destroying the town and you as well. I ignored you going after a strong townread of mine. I ignored all of this, because I just thought that you had bad reads, and I was trusting the genuineness of your posts. Now you are saying that's for naught? I trusted my instincts and my reads and took a chance for nothing?

I really don't care if you die at this point.

CTD, you have until 2am EST. I think I have a plan to leash the vig. and protect you, but I need to make sure I work out the kinks in my head.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4440 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:49 pm

No

I'm saying that, from an outsiders view point I can see how the actions Nero is doing and some of the actions that Mala and I are doing can be seen in similar lighting. I don't see how you can see Mala trying to back down from mollie and Nero trying to get people to look at us differently as two different things.

Objectionably, they are the same thing.

I'm also pretty sure you called my reads Bad when I accused Jen and TAM/Lurker scum in the nightless game bulb, and you were pretty set on DBG scum when I wasn't. who's to say that something similar isn't happening here?

Bulbazak · Post Post #4441 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:39 pm

In post 4440, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I don't see how you can see Mala trying to back down from mollie and Nero trying to get people to look at us differently as two different things.

When was I talking about that? I was saying that I saw Nero's deflect and your inquiring about Nero's motives regarding his "middle of the wagon" scumtell as 2 separate things. You came back and said that they were not, which meant that you agreed with Nero that it was a scummy action.

Bulbazak · Post Post #4442 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:13 pm

Vote Nero Cain

Okay, here's the plan. I'm assuming that town has a protective role of some sort. What I'm asking is that CTD be protected during the night phase, since he is essentially def. town, and we'll need him in the upcoming days. With that, the ball is in your court ThAd. If you really are the vig., you should know that this upcoming night phase is likely to be the only one to prove yourself. You can shoot at whoever you think is scum or is harmful to the town (although it might not hurt to ask for suggestions from the town itself, being that you outed yourself and all), however, should you aim at CTD, you will be wasting your shot. Anybody else is okay (even me), as there is enough contention with the rest of the player list as to gain useful information from a flip.

CTD, I'd still find those reads/final thoughts useful, just in case. Should the wagon get to L-1, I'll try to keep the hammer off long enough for you to get as much information as you want out. If anybody quickhammers with this in mind, I will make it my mission to lynch them.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4443 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:29 pm

You ignoring my nightless game comparison?

ok, cool :/

and you were talking about how Nero trying to deflect attention off himself and onto someone else was scummy, though when Nero brings up the fact that Mala was trying to do the exact same thing ( and from a third person's view, I can see how it can look like that) you say that it isn't the same thing.

Nero brought up two points against us; his deflection and our deflection as well as me being the 4th to vote Nacho and his fourth vote on a wagon, and how that isn't scummy for us to be doing it, yet it's scummy for him to do the same thing.

It's those two points that I think he has valid reasoning over.

Nero isn't scum, meanwhile why don't you give me a town-case on Khan like I had asked from people who were town-reading him

~Mara

Slandaar · Post Post #4444 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:52 pm

In post 4442, Bulbazak wrote: Okay, here's the plan. I'm assuming that town has a protective role of some sort.

Well we have Rena the town Watcher

Wait a second...

Nero Cain · Post Post #4445 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:35 am

In post 4439, Bulbazak wrote:Sorry for my absence the past day or so. I needed to take a break from Mafia for awhile.

In post 4414, Nero Cain wrote: Ah, I see you are buddying CTD. Would you like help with that? (no one will get that)

I don't see any point in you not voting me when I'm not in danger of getting lynched so this whole "I'M CATERING TO CTD!" looks nothing more than buddying. What made me leapfrog over Sean?
I am not buddying CTD, and saying so is a blatant misrepresentation. CTD is my, as well as everyone else's, strongest town read. My read on him is so strong that I trust him completely and consider him def. town. Therefore, if he says that he believes he's going to die, and he wants the time to post some final thoughts, I'm going to give them to him, as that is in the town's best interest.

As for switching from Sean to you,
that's simply because you're a stronger scumread than he is
, and I'm getting tired of your scummy hide existing.

Ok CTD is your strongest townread. So he tells you to unvote Sean. And Sean has what to do with me? Nothing. ok.

As per the bolded, at one point you did state that Sean and I were "about the same level of scumminess" then I just magically jumped in scumminess which I asked you why which you failed to address.

In post 4414, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4305, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: That's like half the point of this game; to speculate on players motives. But the question has NOTHING to do with Bcade and everything to do with AK using a "hey look over there defense".
First, you were asking me about player motives based on votes that may or may not exist, from Bacde no less. Bacde's voting history has been eratic, and I really don't want to get into this, especially in a conversation that's about YOU, not AK. Second, AK was not using a "hey look over there defense", she was asking about your motives and criteria.
This is extremely relevant to our conversation/argument. If YOU think that she was asking me about my motives then its a fair question to ask you why she felt that I should have called out Bacade on his "5th vote"

In post 701, mastin2 wrote:Sixteenth Votecount: (AKA, the "Times are a changin, votes are a not" votecount)
Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)
As you can see, bacde was already on the Nacho wagon and therefore his revote was NOT the 5th vote.

YOU are claiming that this was not a deflect and her asking about my motives. I'm calling bullshit on this 'cause Bacde didn't even have the 5th vote on the Nacho wagon and so Kitty's post looks like nothing more than a "hey look over there" post 'cause I find it very very hard for Mala to legit believe that I should have found his post scummy/opportunistic when he wasn't even the 5th vote.

So explain to me how she was asking about motive and criteria based on a not actual vote.
But this conversation is not about AK's motivation at all. This is about your deflection onto 3 other players. I have explained in great detail the difference between your post and AK's, which you seem intent not to listen to. You have since been trying to steer the conversation away from the original point and onto AK herself, which is in and of itself a deflection, which you have claimed you are not doing.

As for the Bacde 5th vote point, Bacde actually reemphasized his vote after AK placed her vote on Nacho. AK could have easily thought that Bacde was the 5th vote, which was why she was asking about your criteria.
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This is scum faking dumb town. period.

Bulb already IS discussing AK's motivation. He's saying it was her asking about MY criteria and casting it in a pr0-town light. I feel like if he's going to defend Kitty he should understand the context of what happened.

I asked Khan why he read my post as scum. Which is actually no different then AK asking me why I wasn't scumreading Bacade's "5th vote".
I don't know the context? All I've been doing is going to great lengths to explain the context of the post. I've even shown the context, and compared AK's post with yours to show why they are different. The section of AK's post that you quoted was a small part of a whole, and her question was concerned on your criteria for judging a certain scumtell. Your post, on the other hand, is focused on that single point. You then point your finger at 3 other players, saying, "Why aren't they scummy as well?". Finally, if you want to continue to compare, AK didn't end her post with "Why am I not a town read?", which I'd say is more scummy than the entire deflection.

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its the same thing. Both of your "strong town reads" AK and Khan said that they disagreed with you. I don't see how town gets two different things when they are the same question but then again you are scum soooo...

In post 4414, Nero Cain wrote: Are you reading this game at all?!? I accused Mollie of deflecting way back on day 1.
I hope you're not talking about what I think you are, because if so, that is just weak.

That you are ignoring yet another deflect?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #4446 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:46 am

V/LA from Wednesday until at least Saturday. I will do my best to let you know if it goes longer than that.

I know at least one person asked me something, just give me a sec.

<<< Noted. >>>

Human Destroyer · Post Post #4447 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:47 am

In post 4410, CrashTextDummie wrote:HD, why are you not the least bit interested in lynching Nero-scum?

Oh, here it is.

I had a strong early townread on him for whatever reason, so did Om when he was playing. I could lie and make up some bullshit about "hidden reasons" or w/e, but honestly I just don't remember why; we both just took it for granted that we thought he was town and didn't discuss it.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4448 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:10 am

There is so much wrong with this post.

In post 4442, Bulbazak wrote:
Vote Nero Cain

What happened to not voting until CTD was done?

Okay, here's the plan. I'm assuming that town has a protective role of some sort. What I'm asking is that CTD be protected during the night phase, since he is essentially def. town, and we'll need him in the upcoming days.

Who was it the called directing night actions scummy?

With that, the ball is in your court ThAd. If you really are the vig., you should know that this upcoming night phase is likely to be the only one to prove yourself. You can shoot at whoever you think is scum or is harmful to the town (although it might not hurt to ask for suggestions from the town itself, being that you outed yourself and all), however, should you aim at CTD, you will be wasting your shot. Anybody else is okay (even me), as there is enough contention with the rest of the player list as to gain useful information from a flip.

This a big ball of mindless shadowing.

#1 The whole Thad needs to shoot to prove himself thing has already been brought up AND its been brought up why this is not a good idea.
#2 CTD thinks I'm scummy as fuck for wanting to leash THAD and not doing anything. Yet you want to leash Thad and the vig list is "everyone sans CTD". Which is doing about just as much as me. This looks like a pile of bullshit 'cause it ignores all of YOUR town reads. AK and Khan are no longer strong town reads? Why on earth would town be ok with his town reads getting killed? And its just incredibly lazy.

This is scum and you guys need to kill it.

ISO · Post Post #4449 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:28 am

Nero, I think you're starting to get pedantic. I agree with that leash plan, as much as I'd personally like to add to the no-go list.