NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Rift Adrift]

Nacho please get you butt back into this thread and talk about your scumspects.

What are your thoughts about Cephrir's post catch-up posts?

Where do you stand on Bulba now?

[Serene]

Nacho please get you butt back into this thread and talk about your scumspects.

What are your thoughts about Cephrir's post catch-up posts?

Where do you stand on Bulba now?

Just iso the scum, his thoughts are already on record.

Or maybe you have some farsighted strategy to goad Calcifer into bus'ing his whole scumteam, I guess I ought to back off and let you work your magic.

[Serene]

Calcifer, Stevie, and Nero are the three names that pop as scummy for all of my heads. Letters guy also is scummy to at least 2 of us.
BULBA to some of us but personally my own scum read on him has softened. I find ank scummy because he flies under the radar and his reaction to our claim didn't seem town. Doctor Head agreed with me on that point.

Our mutual town reads are dram (obv), Rift, ProHawk, and Shadi. Shadi especially seems like the designated mislynch.

We find it suspicious that people wagoned dram for lack of content (usual for dram anyway) when Nero has posted even less content. Indicates to us a hypocrisy caused by the protection of his scum buddies.

I wasn't sold on the Calcifer read by the other heads, but his reaction to the wagon and appeals to "mr red" have been scummy.

Stevie was saved by at least two counter wagons so far. Notice how it fizzled in the face of the wagons on Shadi, dram, and my selves? Even now while calciferol wagon slowly builds, he escapes judgement. Scum obviously not wanting to bus yet.

Mark my words, AT LEAST one scum among those three. Another scum at least among the lurk mass, probably Letters or Ank.

[Rift Adrift]

Nacho please get you butt back into this thread and talk about your scumspects.

What are your thoughts about Cephrir's post catch-up posts?

Where do you stand on Bulba now?

Just iso the scum, his thoughts are already on record.

Or maybe you have some farsighted strategy to goad Calcifer into bus'ing his whole scumteam, I guess I ought to back off and let you work your magic.

Mastin's posts are terrible.

Nacho's, not so much. My read has slid from town to null, but I won't support a Calcifer lynch today, not with what they have laid down in the thread so far.

[Zdenek]

I'm more concerned about the others on this wagon, zdenek in particular

Are you reading?

[Cephrir]

And for the record even if Nero were town, he will fuck everyone over if left alive in LYLO

Unfortunately this is probably true

Calcifer, Stevie, and Nero are the three names that pop as scummy for all of my heads. Letters guy also is scummy to at least 2 of us.
BULBA to some of us but personally my own scum read on him has softened. I find ank scummy because he flies under the radar and his reaction to our claim didn't seem town. Doctor Head agreed with me on that point.

Our mutual town reads are dram (obv), Rift, ProHawk, and Shadi. Shadi especially seems like the designated mislynch.

We find it suspicious that people wagoned dram for lack of content (usual for dram anyway) when Nero has posted even less content. Indicates to us a hypocrisy caused by the protection of his scum buddies.

I wasn't sold on the Calcifer read by the other heads, but his reaction to the wagon and appeals to "mr red" have been scummy.

Stevie was saved by at least two counter wagons so far. Notice how it fizzled in the face of the wagons on Shadi, dram, and my selves? Even now while calciferol wagon slowly builds, he escapes judgement. Scum obviously not wanting to bus yet.

Mark my words, AT LEAST one scum among those three. Another scum at least among the lurk mass, probably Letters or Ank.

Shadi as a player seems like a mislynchable player if town but that doesn't prevent him from actually being scum. If anything, I find it odd that he hasn't taken more heat for the post that drew my vote.

The point about the counterwagons to Stevie is actually good, but I'm townreading him anyway. =/. If Shadi flips town I'd be more inclined to buy into this. Agreed about Calcifer, those posts were bizarre even if they were based in reality.

[Zdenek]

I will never understand anyone's Stevie town read.

[Nero]

not cephrir or nero

I'm so sick of hearing who you all DON'T want to lynch.

You've got the game ass-backwards.

im sick of reading you post.

shut th efuck up.

[Nero]

And for the record even if Nero were town, he will fuck everyone over if left alive in LYLO




Actually alot of you will fuck us over come LYLO so I guess there's solace in that. Just remember, if you're still alive come day 5 or so, your reads have been shit or your play has been shit.

and ftr im probably the best player here. just fucking vote stevie.

[Calcifer]

"No one will pay attention to you if you lynch me because of personal beef?" Scum, please.

It's true, though, and you--being an experienced player--damn-well know it. Everyone's been there. I've seen it far too many times. "Oh, Mastin was wrong on his read on X, he must be wrong now on his read of Y." It's a weird hybrid of Burden of Proficiency and 7-for-7, in that it's basically a reverse-7-for-7. Is it fallacious logic? Heck yeah it is. Does it hold any logical validity? No, not really.

...But is it something which is used all the same? Hell yes it is. Seriously, you can't go more than a few games and

not

see this happen.

Scum is Stubbs, TMT, Ceprir Calcifer, Nero, probably BFenix...

Talk to me, here. Work with me, not against me.

You have me on TMT and maybe BulbaFenix. But none of the others. Stubbs I admittedly have not read much of, but I've had no issue with Stubbs's posts that I've seen recently, and in fact have seen them as being town. Show me why Stubbs is scum.

You've done a fairly decent job of explaining why you have Nero as a scumread, but not a good enough job for me to actually see him as scum. I'm ambivalent on him. I can see him as scum, I can see him as town, but you haven't sold me on why he's scum. Give me more. I'm listening.

But most of all, explain to me Cephrir again. I mighta seen him as being bad with his catchup posts initially, but his responses since he got caught up have been just about as town as it gets. And when I re-skimmed his isos seeing his caught-up posts, I just couldn't see him as scum anymore. Least of all when Rift Adrift supported this town-Ceph stance. So, again, talk to me here.

Don't go "lolscum, why would I need to convince you?"

We. are. not. scum. So get your heads out of your collective asses and talk to the town-us for a minute. Yes, we're town. So yes, you do need to convince us.

[Serene]

not cephrir or nero

I'm so sick of hearing who you all DON'T want to lynch.

You've got the game ass-backwards.

im sick of reading you post.

shut th efuck up.

Never fucking ever.

[Rift Adrift]

"No one will pay attention to you if you lynch me because of personal beef?" Scum, please.

It's true, though, and you--being an experienced player--damn-well know it. Everyone's been there. I've seen it far too many times. "Oh, Mastin was wrong on his read on X, he must be wrong now on his read of Y." It's a weird hybrid of Burden of Proficiency and 7-for-7, in that it's basically a reverse-7-for-7. Is it fallacious logic? Heck yeah it is. Does it hold any logical validity? No, not really.

...But is it something which is used all the same? Hell yes it is. Seriously, you can't go more than a few games and

not

see this happen.

Scum is Stubbs, TMT, Ceprir Calcifer, Nero, probably BFenix...

Talk to me, here. Work with me, not against me.

You have me on TMT and maybe BulbaFenix. But none of the others. Stubbs I admittedly have not read much of, but I've had no issue with Stubbs's posts that I've seen recently, and in fact have seen them as being town. Show me why Stubbs is scum.

You've done a fairly decent job of explaining why you have Nero as a scumread, but not a good enough job for me to actually see him as scum. I'm ambivalent on him. I can see him as scum, I can see him as town, but you haven't sold me on why he's scum. Give me more. I'm listening.

But most of all, explain to me Cephrir again. I mighta seen him as being bad with his catchup posts initially, but his responses since he got caught up have been just about as town as it gets. And when I re-skimmed his isos seeing his caught-up posts, I just couldn't see him as scum anymore. Least of all when Rift Adrift supported this town-Ceph stance. So, again, talk to me here.

Don't go "lolscum, why would I need to convince you?"

We. are. not. scum. So get your heads out of your collective asses and talk to the town-us for a minute. Yes, we're town. So yes, you do need to convince us.

I take back some of the bad things I said about you, mastin.

[Rift Adrift]

So, after our conclave, I'm reversing course again on bulbafenix. Syr tells me that not flipping a shit over a healthy lookig bandwagon is a null tell with the bulba half of the hydra.

We'd also be willing to compromise on TMT or Goat, but this is what we want to happen.

VOTE: bulbafenix

[Serene]

"No one will pay attention to you if you lynch me because of personal beef?" Scum, please.

It's true, though, and you--being an experienced player--damn-well know it. Everyone's been there. I've seen it far too many times. "Oh, Mastin was wrong on his read on X, he must be wrong now on his read of Y." It's a weird hybrid of Burden of Proficiency and 7-for-7, in that it's basically a reverse-7-for-7. Is it fallacious logic? Heck yeah it is. Does it hold any logical validity? No, not really.

...But is it something which is used all the same? Hell yes it is. Seriously, you can't go more than a few games and

not

see this happen.

Scum is Stubbs, TMT, Ceprir Calcifer, Nero, probably BFenix...

Talk to me, here. Work with me, not against me.

You have me on TMT and maybe BulbaFenix. But none of the others. Stubbs I admittedly have not read much of, but I've had no issue with Stubbs's posts that I've seen recently, and in fact have seen them as being town. Show me why Stubbs is scum.

You've done a fairly decent job of explaining why you have Nero as a scumread, but not a good enough job for me to actually see him as scum. I'm ambivalent on him. I can see him as scum, I can see him as town, but you haven't sold me on why he's scum. Give me more. I'm listening.

But most of all, explain to me Cephrir again. I mighta seen him as being bad with his catchup posts initially, but his responses since he got caught up have been just about as town as it gets. And when I re-skimmed his isos seeing his caught-up posts, I just couldn't see him as scum anymore. Least of all when Rift Adrift supported this town-Ceph stance. So, again, talk to me here.

Don't go "lolscum, why would I need to convince you?"

We. are. not. scum. So get your heads out of your collective asses and talk to the town-us for a minute. Yes, we're town. So yes, you do need to convince us.

Sounds like you're trying to regain control of the game by playing with my balls.

My beach balls.

I already told you I don't negotiate with scum.

Nice of you to confirm that Nero is your buddy. You're a class act. The town thanks you.

[Shadi1337]

YES YES

You're scummy as town, we get it


The horse is dead, kindly stop beating him Shadi

go to sleep..

[Zdenek]

My beach balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_zuizyWwU

[Calcifer]

I already told you I don't negotiate with scum.

Look, I get it. You're fond of tunneling. You've got a scumread. You don't want to admit that scumread is wrong. You want to be right,

so

badly, and you don't want to be talked out of it. You've got arrogance. And you've got pride. And you don't like to talk with scum. But I'll be blunt:

You are not a scumhunting god

. I don't care if your hydra had some legendary scumhunter like Glork, or was made up entirely of the elite of the elite in Mafiascum.net's history. Your reads are not perfect. We. are. town. And the only people benefiting from your ego-trip is the scum. I'm playing nice, here. Don't make me rage against you. I didn't even have a strong commitment to this game, and now I'm apparently the primary player in this hydra despite how when I signed up for this game I explicitly said that I wanted to use Nacho as my crutch.

And I'll be damned if I'm going to let some fucking moronic stubbornness get in the way of you helping the town. You being a mason doesn't mean jacksquat if you aren't willing to be rational and reasonable. Hell, Vifam made a better mason than what

you

are doing, because while his reads were utter crap, at least he played ball.

My request is not unreasonable, and you damn-well know it. Work with me. Talk to me. We are not your enemy. So stop being idiots and antagonizing me when we need to work together. So again. Walk me through your reads. It's not too hard to do.

[TheIrishPope]

Cal, would you be up to a Cephrir lynch?

[Rift Adrift]

Or walk me through your reads. I am not agreeing to much with some of them either.

[Calcifer]

Cal, would you be up to a Cephrir lynch?

Hell

no.

Did you miss my post where I laid out why I see Cephrir as town? Seriously, Cephrir's town. Probably one of the worst lynch candidates on the table.

[TheIrishPope]

Well, if Cal says so
UNVOTE: Cephrir

[Zdenek]

Calcifer, why are you voting BulbaFenix?

[Calcifer]

Calcifer, why are you voting BulbaFenix?

Because they're still technically a scumread, combined with the fact that--while I may currently be the dominant head--I still hold some trust in Nacho, and last I knew, Nacho had BulbaFenix as scum.

[Zdenek]

I'm shocked that you would be voting for someone one of you heads has as a scum read. I never could have deduced that from the fact that you are voting them.

[Zdenek]

Pretend Serene asked you that question and try again.