Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Titus]

1. I did, in post 720. I'm not turning this into a wall of text.
2. Why are you putting mild suspicion onto other people if it's so obvious that Bob and I are scum to you? You would have no need to do that. Yet, you refuse to revisit your conclusions that Bob and I are scum.
3. Alright, we'll let the town decide there.
4. Moving right along.


Well, your theory that scum shot the IC implies the scum are newbies. Yet, I am not a newbie (only a newbie to this site). So.. by that logic, I'm not scum.

[DoctorPepper]

1. Show me where exactly.
2. Whats wrong with looking for everyone. Suppose Im wrong, i need other avenues

Also i thought you didnt appreciate self meta? Besides Im only giving possible answers. Youre still scum to me.

[JKMatthews]

Man... I just can't see a Dr P scum here. Since bacde reiterated it, I can maybe see Titus and Dr P both being town, but the paranoid part of me says maybe it's Bacde that's Titus's partner and he wanted to be the first to say "scum wouldn't get involved".
However, I think I largely agree that given the dichotomy that's being created, scum could sit back and watch us lynch one of these 2 today, the other tomorrow, then have the game in the bag.
And isn't it funny that as soon as Bacde says "scum would sit in the sidelines" most of our players show up again?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bob

[Titus]

1. Read post 720. I will not turn this into a wall of text since several players do not want that.
2. If you're so confident, why do you need other avenues?

What self-meta?


@JKM, I agree with your point. I just wonder, why Bob? Also, is there anything that makes Dr. Pepper town (other than the convenient knock off strategy)? If I had to go with scum based on your theory, I'd go with Channel. I still think NS is the likely scum lurker but I'm willing to hear this out.

[DoctorPepper]

This is so ironic considering you were confident in me and NS and now you say Channel.

Because on the off chance that one of you flip town, I need to find other possibilities.

Freaking point it out to ME. I do not give a damn about what everyone else thinks of walls

[JKMatthews]

Because on the Venn Diagram of "Titus is scum" and "Titus isn't scum", Bob's sitting neatly in the middle for me at the moment.

Also which town don't want a wall of text?

[Titus]

This is so ironic considering you were confident in me and NS and now you say Channel.

Because on the off chance that one of you flip town, I need to find other possibilities.

Freaking point it out to ME. I do not give a damn about what everyone else thinks of walls

I didn't say Channel. The context was clearly coaxed in the alternative, if I had to exclude you and NS as scum, who would I take. Not your preemptive bullcrap.

I'll grab the posts that suggest people don't want walls of text.

[Titus]

So the last time I was on I promised to go and reread the Titus/Dr Pepper debate because I was starting to doubt my DocPepScum/TitusTown read. And I think probably a part of why I haven't rushed back to do that is because

oh my god the walls, the walls of text

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So I'm going to try to look at it in a slightly skimmy way, trying to pick out particularly relevant posts like when people vote for them and such, to try and get a condensed read. It'll do for the short term and, hey, if we end up moving onto something else rather than this wallfest I probably won't complain.

And Maybe DrP is scum, and if he is you need to convince me of it because I'm not seeing it.

I just saw a bunch of wall arguments from two people who both looked like they wanted town to win, so if you saw something from DrP that indicates that he is scum instead, you should by all means quote it and point it out to me and explain why it reveals DrP's underlying scum psychology.

I am not lurking. I am avoiding the idiotic back-and-forth.

There you go JKM. Posts that suggest Bacde, Channel and NS don't want this. At least one of them must be town.

[JKMatthews]

Titus, that's ridiculous. The theory was that you and Dr P are in a massive town v town war, it had nothing to do with NS. Is NS only scum by extension if Dr P is scum, and completely exhonerated otherwise?!?

P-Edit: None of those say they don't want walls of text (although maybe CDB's does I guess) - they just say the discussion between you two is tiresome.

[Titus]

Ok, I interpreted it as not wanting wars of text between the two of us. Are you suggesting that they wanted me to just move on from questioning Dr. Pepper?

NS is scummy in his own right and I was suspicious of him in my initial game entering post. He pushed very hard on that day 1 lynch of Yessiree. I know some don't view how that day ended as suspicious but I do. NS's entire motivation seemed to be ending the day quickly when we had plenty of time to make it a proper lynch. I don't care how many people gave him permission to hammer. His actions to me looked scummy.

[Titus]

Grr in all my posts where I say look at 720 I mean 722. My mistake.

[DoctorPepper]

I do not give a flying fat fuck about other players not wanting the walls of text. Show me where I have twisted your words.

Your post about Channel and mine about Bacde are similar and I even said its more likely that Bacde was targetted by scum. What are you not getting.

Is this TvT? Possible. Have I had my tunnelvision on for too long? Possible. Is Titus helping town? Debateable. Do I find him scummy? Yes.

Bacde said quote something from me which proves I am scum, not that he doesnt want walls.

And will you stop the bullcrap about ending the day early?

[JKMatthews]

@JKM, I agree with your point. I just wonder, why Bob? Also, is there anything that makes Dr. Pepper town (other than the convenient knock off strategy)? If I had to go with scum based on your theory, I'd go with Channel. I still think NS is the likely scum lurker but I'm willing to hear this out.

This is so ironic considering you were confident in me and NS and now you say Channel.

Because on the off chance that one of you flip town, I need to find other possibilities.

Freaking point it out to ME. I do not give a damn about what everyone else thinks of walls

I didn't say Channel. The context was clearly coaxed in the alternative, if I had to exclude you and NS as scum, who would I take. Not your preemptive bullcrap.

NS is scummy in his own right and I was suspicious of him in my initial game entering post. He pushed very hard on that day 1 lynch of Yessiree. I know some don't view how that day ended as suspicious but I do. NS's entire motivation seemed to be ending the day quickly when we had plenty of time to make it a proper lynch. I don't care how many people gave him permission to hammer. His actions to me looked scummy.

Spot the inconsistency?

[DoctorPepper]

I do agree this is an exercise in futility. Disregarding the slip, you've been scummy. But no one sees that.

P-edit. Already did and pointed it out.

[Titus]

The thing is I do. I want everyone, not just you and me, to be able to effectively scum hunt. If that means I have to tell you look at post 722 until I am blue in the face I will. If the players I quoted state that I misunderstood their intentions and clarify, I will act accordingly. There are more people here than you and me.

Your second paragraph invites so many assumptions. My post talks about if we're looking at the lurkers (so by definition you're excluded) and for some reason I couldn't take NS as scum, I'd take Channel. Your posts about Bacde at the start of Day 2 have no such caveats.

Anyway, what do you say that we continue looking at the other players? Let's take a look at Channel, Bacde, Pebro, NS and Bob objectively.

If the theory is accurate that me versus Dr. Pepper is town, then who are our most likely scum suspects. I don't think Dr. Pepper is town, but I'm not going to have tunnelvision for too long.

Channel - Jumps on the Dr. Pepper train then vanishes, has contributed little, but supposedly has a meta of this thing

Bacde - Seems to be gearing the conversation, not really seeing anything scummy from him at first glance

Pebro - Lukring, but contributing when he's present

NS - Pushed for the fastest lynch possible, jumped trains because Yessiree (confirmed town) wasn't being lynched fast enough

Bob - There was an alleged scum slip (which I disagree with awhile back) and he's sorta contributed his opinions. He seemed to be better at the start of Day 2 and has had a resurgence recently.

[Titus]

@JKM, I agree with your point. I just wonder, why Bob? Also, is there anything that makes Dr. Pepper town (other than the convenient knock off strategy)? If I had to go with scum based on your theory, I'd go with Channel. I still think NS is the likely scum lurker but I'm willing to hear this out.

This is so ironic considering you were confident in me and NS and now you say Channel.

Because on the off chance that one of you flip town, I need to find other possibilities.

Freaking point it out to ME. I do not give a damn about what everyone else thinks of walls

I didn't say Channel. The context was clearly coaxed in the alternative, if I had to exclude you and NS as scum, who would I take. Not your preemptive bullcrap.

NS is scummy in his own right and I was suspicious of him in my initial game entering post. He pushed very hard on that day 1 lynch of Yessiree. I know some don't view how that day ended as suspicious but I do. NS's entire motivation seemed to be ending the day quickly when we had plenty of time to make it a proper lynch. I don't care how many people gave him permission to hammer. His actions to me looked scummy.

Spot the inconsistency?

No I do not. What is inconsistent?

[Nobody Special]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't've moved my vote.

Titus is easing back toward a scumread due to her readiness to appease town.

Everyone answer me this, for Titus's benefit. What is more deserving of scum tells. Hammering without intent with 11 days on the deadline? O r hammering with intent and a claim and consent with 5 days left on the deadline?

You are misapplying points here. That hammer (made by a townie, no less) context here Newbie 1372

Hammering without intent with 11 days to go is scummier than the other option.

[Titus]

Of course, when he puts the question like that, even I would pick that 11 days left to investigate and hammering is scummier than hammering with 5 days left. Both have investigation that can still be done to avoid a mislynch.

[Titus]

Because I want everyone to be able to scumhunt at prime effectiveness, that makes me scum NS? Really? Either I'm being belligerent by ignoring the requests by people for no walls of text and therefore scummy or I'm being scummy by honoring them. That's a no win scenario.

[Nobody Special]

It's hard to win when you're scum. I understand.

[Titus]

That's not helpful and just shows that the statement was meant to be a catch-22 and not real scum hunting. Let's knock off the juvenile crap and scumhunt.

[JKMatthews]

In the case that the conversation is as stagnant as it was, I think it's decidedly worse to not just lynch. If you give everyone time to go "oh geez I guess it could be any of these 3 people, oh no deadline let's hammer one!" then scum can easily hide behind the indecisiveness, because everyone was exhibiting it. Non-deadline hammers show more conviction, which means people are forced to justify their position more.

Titus, the inconsistency is nobody said "who's scum if DrP and NS aren't", they just said "what if DrP is town?" You then said somebody other than NS, and when called out on it, said "no I didn't!" then "well I did but I thought I wasn't allowed NS"

[Titus]

JKM, can you try to rephrase that again? I'm not following. The questions we put forth were designed to be an attempt to bury the hatchet between me, Dr. Pepper and NS. I answered accordingly. I'm not understanding the inconsistency. Can you try again? Your sentence was kindof a run on.

As for early hammerers showing more conviction is not always true. An early hammerer could easily be hammering because they wanted the day over. The quicker the end of the day, the less time to scum hunt. Also, does switching votes immediately before hand indicate a conviction that Yessiree is scum? I don't see that very much at all.

[JKMatthews]

The crux is I'm still confused as to why you think NS was involved at all when it was proposed that you and Dr P were appearing town v town. Ignore the rest. And why would you want to bury the hatchet if you think he's scum?

Not always true, I agree. As for whether it was true or not in our case, open to interpretation I suppose. I was happy for a hammer because there was too much waffling.
And no, it doesn't speak particularly highly for NS's conviction, but that's entirely the point. We now have one(ish) player who didn't have particularly strong convictions but was on the lynch, rather than literally everyone in the game.
Stating "early lynches are bad" and following it up with "NS did and early lynch so NS is bad" is very much information over analysis.
Also I stated pretty clearly that I take just as much responsibility for the lynch, why are you talking to me like there's no chance I'm scum?

[Titus]

If I "bury the hatchet" with the scum, I can force them to start proving that everyone else is innocent. If I can prove everyone else is innocent, then the town will see them as scum via process of elimination. However, if I keep arguing with them and no additional scumhunting gets done, the scum can sail to victory possibly.

JKM, you clearly thought there was no investigation to be done. You're presenting points and counterpoints in a logical manner. You are active and not twisting my words. You're so town it bloody hurts. I disagree with you sometimes but you're town.