In post 420, pirate mollie wrote:@ groovey kid
I am not going to do round of wall wars with you cos tbh I find them boring and tedious. I will do a round or 2 but anything beyond and my brains just shuts down. so I am not going to respond to you point by point, I am just going to go over the highlights.
- I am guessing that eno's response (who was more succinct and more articulate in his explanation than I ever could) as to why someone might want to talk to their partner cos you seem satisfied with the answer. the only thing I would add is that discussing reads with your partner is a good way to bounce off ideas cos one person might see something the other miss. it is 1 of the reasons why I like hydras (I am in 6), cos I have another person to talk to and it helps me to stay grounded. left to my own devices I am likely to be consumed by paranoia, get confused, jump at shadows and make terribad decisions. I am well aware of my strengths and weaknesses in mafia so I try to hydra with people who can balance that out. what I am wondering is why coug has not explained the benefits of having another person to bounce things off of in your qt and why you did not just ask him there instead of bringing it to the thread.
I had hoped you'd respond more specifially to my wall, because that would have showed more clearly if you were trying to understand my point of view of things, but ok. I see the added value in case you can fully trust the other person (like in a hydra), but in this set-up this is not the case. With regards to scumhunting in a 1on1 QT: I don't see how it can be done effectively. MAybe it's lack of experience, maybe it's lack of skill, but I don't see any ways of creating such an atmosphere in a QT where my partner would somehow slip. All the reading can be done in the main topic I think.
To return to my bus metaphor, you have explained why it is important for you to take the bus, yet you still didn't explain why you didn't want to read a book while wiaiting for the bus.
- why I am town reading majiffy: in gchat (and you may or may not understand this) he said, "don't mention ongoing games" cos he thought that I was referring to a game that was in the late stages where we pretty much went 1v1 for 3 game days. I wasn't. I was referring to if I do not get sort him out early I will remain paranoid for the entire game. <----- he came to this conclusion, all on his own through no help from me. the reason why I read tht as pure town was cos his chastisement came from a place where he was genuinely trying to get a read on me and didn't want an outside influence that he could not use. he was genuinely trying to read me where as scum he would already know my alignment. does this make sense?
I don't know, I guess you know him better, I've been told not to discuss ongoing games to in this game by several people, but I don't consider them as town. Enforcing/reminding others of objective rules is more of a null-tell in my eyes.
That explain you reading Majiffy as town. What about the other way around and his read on you? (
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I have been playing mafia for a long time just on different sites. I have a different playstyle than most and a very large scumhunting toolbox. sometimes I will flirt, joke, get confrontational, talk about the weather or whatever in order to get players to drop their guard and give up a tell. the whole point is to disarm the player in order to get a read. I base my reads on how people react and try to determine if it comes from a town or scum mindset. I once got uber goober to let down his guard and tell me why scum was keeping me alive in posh. <----- still couldn't get him lynched even though he stated it right there in the thread.
Do you also have a toolbox for when you're scum?
I am simply not everyone's cup of tea and I am pretty sure you will never understand "mollie logic". I don't think like most people and a lot of people scumread me for this but what I have noticed is that it is usually scum who are sticky with their read cos when I am town I freaking scream town.
is there anything else you would like to know
Sticky reads or tunneling has been done by town and scum alike. I don't think this is a strong argument, regardless of whether or not I agree with my read on you actually being sticky.
You discussed mollie logic, what is your impression of Grimgroove-logic?
