Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[talah]

Part 1:

He's trying to figure out your alignment. How is that not helpful to Town?

I guess it goes to the qualities or intent of those questions. Or the subtext. Most of the D2 questions have had pretty heavy connotations.

This particular sub-chain was irritating and pointless:

Post 510:

I respond to the first question from Mala and mention I'll be trying to lurk a bit more
(Between: Question you and wait for responses and other activity, vote you based on day 1 thoughts/feelings and day 2 reactions, respond to you etc)

Post 528:

Mala makes the following odd statement:

Last time I played against a person in an open setup. I allowed two things to go pass me.

1) Activity levels

2) Filler questions. That bit me in the back because he turned up mafia. He was asking similar things about the game experience to multiple people and his

activity was high

. I mean higher than anyone would ever see in a Day 1.

You are showing similar signs

to this.

^^Don't know what this statement is really, um association by parallel to someone else in some other game who exhibited similar 'signs'? I take it as an explanation-ish for the question or something. Then I answer Mala's

fifth D2 question

from the same post.

(Between: No questions from Mala are outstanding and no-one else is really saying anything. Hyper pops in briefly with a nothing statement so I ask why he isn't more proactive (etc))

So: Local time, between Saturday 4.17pm and Monday 10.48am I make precisely one post (Sunday 11.51am), having asked people questions I wanted to know the answers to, having no outstanding questions to answer, having already placed a vote, having said I'll try to lurk more, and even popping in to harass Hyper anyway... wait for it...

Post 535:

Mala comes to this conclusion:

Talah I already gave you my thoughts on Grey. I disagree with your thoughts on Grey because he's kinda playing to his town meta. So if it was a choice between Grey / Gen it would have to be Gen, but that's after I eliminate Grey because he's playing to meta. You could be scum yes.

I also noticed after I called you out for large activity your activity decreased.

Sorry but that's a weak argument which was created on a thin premise and later referred back to, to self-reinforce out of context. So I dunno, maybe the constant questions at me are somehow supposed to be helping town?
Incidentally I didn't re-ask about Mala's read on Grey, I specifically asked

what she thought of my attacks on Grey

(were they valid etc.). So avoiding the question with annoyance really.
And still no reads from her, just the triumphant blank-reads-list from Post 458.

Part 2:

Also, you've been tunneling me since my first post on D2, and I've seen no mention of any other scum-reads. Who else could be scum?

Tunneling: Not really. I'm answering / addressing most of your questions and statements and putting pressure on you and would be more than happy to see you flip. Call it gut feel.
Scumreads: You will find I have indicated this already, partly in one of my responses to you, and in more detail in one of my D2 answers to Mala. Unless more compelling information comes to hand, that's where they stand.

[talah]

Posts of another conversation:

By my underinformed judgement the tybalt lynch means we have either Row 1 or Column A of the setup, in which case I guess that a roleblocker and a bulletproof virtually cancel each other out, if Column A is the setup.

On the upside, at least no one who's town has reason to be mysterious about potential doc or cop roles anymore.

I'm not sure how this helps the town. I see it indirectly fishing for possible reactions. We don't need our other PR (That's if we have any left) to be outed.

May I ask what you were planning on doing with this?

I'm happy to be corrected, but 1 x 1-shot bulletproof town and 1 x mafia roleblocker = guaranteed that the next NK will be a roleblock and a kill on the same person.

My point is that nobody who's scum now has any excuse to be making all the signs of being some town PR that they're not - ie acting all mysterious and lurking because they don't want to give their puritanical town role away. This means that people who lurk now or don't scumhunt or answer questions frankly begin to become more scummy-looking, because there's no future opportunity for a false roleclaim of Doc or Cop. That's how it's advantageous to town.

I recently found out that my "Roleblocker eats Bulletproof" assumption is false, from reading a newb thread which is completed and which Mala has just finished Modding. It's in the 'rules' post, I can link it here if wanted.

So Mala provides no response to my false assumption than a Roleblocker cancels out a Bulletproof... Despite the fact she says she's concerned about the Role being exposed. HMMMMM.. HEAVY THINKING REQUIRED...

In fact Grey, if you want to Riff on Mala's possible Scummability, I'd be open to changing my vote. I wouldn't even necessarily see it as a bus as I could consider Hyper as an association if Mala were to be proven scum.

[talah]

BTW, HAI GuyInFreezer. I've met you before, as I've placed you there many times in Hitman.

SitRep: Talah=Town. Everyone Else=Potential Scum, some more, some less. GuyInFreezer=Needs to make own assumptions with the exception of the preceding two.

Ai Helps.

[Malakittens]

I don't ever interact in a setup talk. I find it helps scum more. So yes I keep quiet because yes one wrong reaction from a PR can get the killed. If you think I'm scummy for the whole RB/BP thing that's just blech.

Now you're asking Grey about being open towards voting me. How on earth is working with your top scum read helpful?

Anyways, I got a cold and vacation soon coming up. I might replace out. Since my activity levels will be like this and this is my only solo game still going on.

[talah]

Gah, but you don't even clarify when people make mistakes? I wanted to kill the game because I didn't think it'd be fair having subs have to read through the bullshit honest mistakes I'd pulled.

Yes I think it's fair I check my 90% scumread.

Mala dude if you sub out I've got nothing. We might as well ask Gen if the game should be abandoned.

[talah]

And Grey, jmo, since hey've come good.

[talah]

Sorry, rather, been participating and haven't flaked... Arghhhh bedtime

[Gen_Wolf]

Ya i agree, from a perspective of keeping the game going if you sub out we might aswell call it. Freezer has subbed in and not even posted. Hyper seems to have flaked? Just lack of involvment all round.

Talah, ive read your posts re mala, just sum it up for me please. Also, who would you say your top scum read is right now?

Rach, prod hyper please?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: guy in a freezer

Someone else vote him too.

[talah]

^^I actually really like that vote heheh

@Gen - If Mala were to limit her direct interactions or questions to others for the duration of Day 2, to just a few people like she did Day 1, then it makes finding mafia that much harder. So I didn't like that she carpet bombed me with questions to the exclusion of others, which made her a bit more scummy in my view. Regardless of the content of those questions (some of which was dubious).

Aside from Grey who I'm voting, the other scum could be Mala, jmo or mothrax. With the limited information available.

[Gen_Wolf]

VOTE: guy in a freezer

Someone else vote him too.

He's posted elsewhere on site which is frustrating as well
JMO, what are your thoughts at the moment? Case on anyone, anyone in particular? Mothrax was very quite before flaking, frezzer has joined and not posted. Do you think the slot has influenced that?

Rach, my intention is not to tell you how to mod and I understand that your busy but can you be a little harsher with the prodding please. I feel people are just taking advantage now.

[Malakittens]

Kay, fine I won't be subbing out, but if someone throws Mala is lurking in my face - I'll scream.

@Jmo:

The vote on GIF is just a pressure vote? Or does it have something to do with the slot?

~~

I do have to admit the activity is pretty bad right now and I'm sorry I'm not helping much.

[jmo16mla]

Mala, quit lurking.

[jmo16mla]

Honestly, my reads are dust right now. I can't do anything as town, or scum with this amount of activity level.

I expect scum to get a perfect win with town acting in this manner though.

[Greywing]

@Talah: Sorry to spoil your fun, but I'm not voting Mala as it's counterproductive to try and lynch a Town slot.

VOTE: guy in a freezer

Someone else vote him too.

'Kay

VOTE: guy in a freezer

Honestly, I just want us to lynch him, Talah and Gen. I couldn't care less for the order we do it in.

[talah]

@Talah: Sorry to spoil your fun, but I'm not voting Mala as it's counterproductive to try and lynch a Town slot.

Very well.

VOTE: guy in a freezer

Honestly, I just want us to lynch him, Talah and Gen. I couldn't care less for the order we do it in.

Isn't the order really important? Like for MYLO or LYLO or whatever? Aren't we in a pretty shitty situation if we mislynch again? So your list would have to be 100% containing the two scum to avoid us losing, if we voted all three? (I don't know how it works in detail but I think it's a valid question / point - I mean you'd want to be voting your #1 scumspect I'd think?)

(apologies for the 4 x question marks - really it's a compound question punctuated by confusion)

[talah]

So also Gen, not much info to work with admittedly, but if you had to use pure instinct and say whether mothrax and Hyper were scum or town based on what you've seen so far, which way would each tend?

[talah]

Honestly, my reads are dust right now. I can't do anything as town, or scum with this amount of activity level.

I expect scum to get a perfect win with town acting in this manner though.

I get where you're coming from, and I feel ya, but surely you could lay down a read or two. You are the advocate of people committing to reads after all.

And also you could do heaps of stuff for town, like asking people questions and questioning motives and all that's good and holy.

So, what do you reckon about Mala for scum? Gut instinct if need be.

[Gen_Wolf]

unvote

vote: Freezer

Talah, mothrax was active lurking then flaked, freezer joined and hasnt done anything so maybe there is something to hide? I am not seeing your Mala case? Because she asked you a lot of questions?

Freezer is at L1

[talah]

Yeah, ouch Gen. I don't at all like you putting Freezer at L-1. If I had a vote on I'd be unvoting. The only mitigating factor is that probably no-one else is voting anything right now. There's totally not enough information to go on.

My case on Mala is not votable for me right now, but I already explained why she just got a +1 scummy for me. I explained and then summarised like one post ago.

So to paraphrase you think mothrax/freezer might be scummy? And what about Hyper? Seriously the question is if you were under threat of guillotine what would you say even with the lack of evidence?

[Gen_Wolf]

Freezer is posring elsewhere on site so it is a pressure vote. If he is not posting for a reason this gives him incentive plus he is at L 1 and people will show intent to hammer.

Talah, the question is pointless, going by gut is just guessing. It doesnt help at all. My vote on Mothrax/Freezer slot at least has some substance to it.

[talah]

VOTE: Gen

Sheep pl0x Grey

[talah]

Gen I doubt Frezzer's even aware he's in this game, have you looked over the newbie queue? Take your freezer vote off, now.

[talah]

FFS, it doesn't do anything me voting you anyway.

VOTE: Grey

But you get my point?

[Gen_Wolf]

Gen I doubt Frezzer's even aware he's in this game, have you looked over the newbie queue? Take your freezer vote off, now.

unvote

I did it because you took your vote off me but my intent is there for Freezer. That slot has done nothing all game so is that because they are scum or VT? Thoughts Talah?