The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Amrun]

Noooo why is metal sonic not fucking quicklynched?

This is an interesting turn of events, though.

[macmollie]

cos killer apple is lying through her fucking teeth. she was trying to find a way to back off metal legitimately and made something up in order to do so. when she realised how close the vc and that she most likely will be the lynch of the day. I don't know about you but I want to lynch scum not dummies.

[ChannelDelibird]

That reread is happening tomorrow, just a quick post before bed on where I am:

Both KillerApple and Metal Sonic are both in the "oh, fuck, I've changed my opinion about a million times and now I don't even know what their alignments are because all I can think about is how much easier this game would be if they were both dead" category. So I'd pretty much jump on either of their lynches like Fritzler on a Bad Idea just for the sake of reducing my headaches and then get down on my knees and beg for someone to nightkill the other. But I should probably develop some more solid scumreads in the meantime if I can. I did have the beginnings of them, somewhere, before all this bullshit happened. Ah, those were such simple times ... I wonder if we'll ever be that happy again.

[macmollie]

amrun you know I am right

xpost: cbd, plz vote apple

[KillerApple]

You caught me, mollie. But seriously, you should vote for Sonic. He's about to get lynched anyway. In one of his games he didn't even read a whole day phase, and said he didn't care. That has nothing to do with alignment, it's just bad play. I hopped off and jumped back on because I realized we would get information from his lynch, and there's no other option except me. But you know, if you wanna vote for me that's cool too.

[macmollie]

if you are talking about an ongoing game that is very much a board wide rule violation. if you wanted a policy lynch on him you should have said so, not call him scum, when it looks like you might the next lynch candidate and suddenly decide you wanna policy lynch. you are just trying to save your own ass and going about it very awkwardly.

you are caught scum but thanks for playing.

[KillerApple]

Well when you said that I lied about looking at his posts, I had to give an example. And why is it so bad that I changed my opinion? Thought he was scum and now I'm thinking annoying town. If I wanted to save my own ass I could've just lurked hardcore this game.

[macmollie]

Well when you said that I lied about looking at his posts, I had to give an example. And why is it so bad that I changed my opinion? Thought he was scum and now I'm thinking annoying town. If I wanted to save my own ass I could've just lurked hardcore this game.

you went and looked into a fairly recent post in an ongoing game, lol. jesus christ you are just digging yourself deeper and deeper. if you actually did the meta research you claimed to have done then you would not have had to use that. and not paying attention in a game or losing a day is not the same as him melting down in a big way I mean that example in no way justifies the earlier comment, "oh he is like this all of the time but he is town and I guess I will have to deal".

changing your mind is all fine and dandy but there has to be a natural progression of thought and you are lacking it.

eat rope

[KillerApple]

Didn't know that was against the rules. I should lynch myself out of humiliation.

[Andrius]

NOTICE

KillerApple

has requested replacement.


On a different note, let this serve as a warning to all against referencing on-going games. Don't.

[Andrius]

VoteCount

Metal Sonic [4] - Amrun, AurorusVox, Generic, KillerApple
KillerApple [4] - Ankamius, xReckonerx, Metal Sonic, macmollie
Venmar [3] - Tierce, Dekes, ChannelDelibird
Nachomamma8 [1] - tsunami
Dekes [1] - Nachomamma8

Not Voting [4] - Nexus, BROseidon, Tamuz, Venmar

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline will be July 6th 2013, 4:00pm PST.

Searching for a replacement for

KillerApple

.
Happy ScumDay Nexus!

[Venmar]

Nobody will care because it's Venmar, but I think Nexus is scum, like HARD.

To begin with, Nexus has spent practically the entire game not giving any concrete or definite reads, instead he prefers to delay giving such and makes excuses for giving reads, which makes him permanently neutral and on the fence in most debates, or otherwise uninvolved. He delays until it is finally squeezed out of him in post #518. This is a scumtell because I only see scum players (A) Delay reads or just not give them and (B) make constant excuses for things. Sure town does it there and then, but Nexus does it consistantly.

Posts #375 and #378 just don't sit well, and give me off very weird scumvibes. I just don't understand the town thought process behind these two posts.

I don't necessarily like MS for scum, but I won't mourn his passing.

- Not only is this part of the post very scummy in the regard that he indirectly pushes MS's wagon and supports it without putting both of his feet in the water and joining the wagon ( hence, pushing the guys lynch while not actually being on the wagon ), which is funny since MS is probably town from the looks of it so this likes like scum influence, but it's very interesting in contrast to the next quote:

Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

- While I can honestly agree that a dayvig claim can change one's read on a player, it's hypocritical to his earlier statement. I feel like Nexus far too easily flips his reads upon light of a claim. This is also true in regard to his KA read, because he hasn't talked of KA or commented on KA since his flip other than a wiki link.

Most of his "scumreads", notably me and KA, he never actually pushes them or commits to them. He drops the occasional insult or jab, but he never actually fully pushes them or puts himself on the line. He has never actually voted for me either and is instead opting for trying to convince a theoretical vig to kill me and do the dirty work for him ( them? ), and same thing with KA. For the majority of his involvement on the KA wagon, for example, he remains in the background and lets some of the other players push the wagon for him. He doesn't help push it, just nods his head and stays quiet. When the interest in the KA wagon dissolves, he no longer pursues it either and virtually it appears like he was just along for the ride. Nexus is

all voice

but

no action or risk

, he voices his weak opinion, but relies on other players to push it for him and lets them do the work. Metal Sonic ( indirectly ), KillerApple, and I are the prime examples.

Fun Fact: Nexus has been a large fan of the majority of wagons and scum candidates so far in the game.

---

Now I want everyone to read Posts #311,#367, #369, #371, #372 + 373, #402, and #455, note Nexus's conviction and confident attitude in his scumreads and accusations, and then read the bolded sentence in the quote below:

Well, I don't see why I should change my style of play just to suit you so.

I can, if you are really desperate, give you a list of 3 town imo and then a

vague idea of scum, but I haven't got enough scum reads solidified yet.

- I strongly believe Nexus has been faking his reads all game, lying about them, or is extremely unconfident in them ( at this point of the game? really? ), to the point that all three of the scenarios point to scum motivation and knowledge. A player like Nexus, who speaks with serious conviction and doesn't hold back with insults, someone who is "confident", the quote above just DOES NOT COMPUTE.

To top it all off, I can't explain it, but I have a small gut feeling that this might be his scum meta in relevance to his scum play in Breaking Bad Mafia, a mini theme game I modded a couple months ago.

Vote: Nexus

inb4 Nexus comes in, rages at me, insults me, OMGUS's, and then votes me.

If not clear, I think i'm leaning on Metal Sonic being town since I honestly think day-vig claims more often than not only come from town players ( Some of whom admittedly just don't know how or why to pull it off and screw it up ). I think his foolishness or outrage is being wrongfully painted as scummy behaviour when I really don't think that is not what happened at all.

I think Amrun might be town after all, so i'm going to take her off my leaning scum pile for now.

I think CDB is scum.

[Amrun]

That's a horrible reason to call metal sonic town. Seriously. Wow.

I hate everyone who is doing that.

Also I still think ka is town. Despite everything.

[Venmar]

I did say metal sonic is bullshitting. He is exhibiting all the obvious tells of a person panicking and trying to mask it with bravado.

Call enough people names and hope to bully your way out of the shit. Epic fail.

I honestly think you're too adamant and hotheaded to be reasoned with about it, so I don't really care.

[Venmar]

Wtf, why did I quote that?

I meant to quote Amrun's #537 in the post above.

[Desperado]

Last fake dayvig I saw came from scum. Metal Sonic's attempt here looks no better. Someone is going to have to link me to some games with town fake dayvigging before I consider him as town.

Venmar's Nexus case is good. Like really good. Like, I'ma sheep it good.

Vote: Nexus

I'm also going to add to it.

Spoiler: Nexus' idea of scumhunting

I like this wagon.

UNVOTE: macmollie
VOTE: Generic

Bad

And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

Bad

Quick question, Tierce -- why aren't you voting me?

This made me uncomfortable

wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

This made me uncomfortable on initial read, re-read showed me I had missed context so nvm.

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

Wow. Bad.

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Easy jump. Reck pointed it on, you went straight on that wagon. +100000 sp

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Lol I have no control. I will most likely be lynched. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Trying to offset your scumminess by daring us to lynch also isn't going to work BZZZZZZZZZZZZT

How about this? I

triple dog dare you.

Trying to decide whether this is cocky scum or cocky town. I'm leaning the former now.

Btw, Reck is the most town person here.

vote KillerApple

NEVERMIND

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

I call 'em like I see 'em. I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day). Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

Guess, it's a matter of opinion then whether they're laying low (don't act as if scum never do that) or just lurking for other reasons.

If you are going to use meta, at least use it right.

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

Btw I finished all 9 pages yeah I'm up to scratch

And your opinion is?

I'd be happy with a lynch on Apple or Sonic. I would like to see more from CDB, and I feel that Nacho is town.

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

Thanks. It's not quite as bad as your vote on me though. That was fucking spectacular.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I find Metal Sonic less obnoxious so personally would prefer to see Venmar.

Do you notice a theme? Everyone he attacks, he attacks for either being bad, doing bad things, or making him uncomfortable. #298 in particular seems to be a nice summation of Nexus' theory of scumhunting: "I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me."

And yet, look at this quote from #501 again: "Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid.

Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

"

Come again? You've made it abundantly clear that bad = scum. What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

[Ankamius]

Alright, Venmar's now sitting in my town pile. That case is genuine as shit, and just a quick look at page 21 with that context in mind solidifies it. The scum reads are just parroting popular opinion and the town reads are pretty safe (as in people that don't really have suspicion on them, but aren't very easy to push a case on either).

Nexus is a good vig target too. Let's kill Apple now.

[Amrun]

I did say metal sonic is bullshitting. He is exhibiting all the obvious tells of a person panicking and trying to mask it with bravado.

Call enough people names and hope to bully your way out of the shit. Epic fail.

I honestly think you're too adamant and hotheaded to be reasoned with about it, so I don't really care.

I'm not at all. I am perfectly open to reason, but "fake dayvig attempts come from town" is not reason, it's idiocy, and you're not the only one saying it.

But dayvigging me for the reasons he gave just doesn't make sense coming from town.

He said that ka should die no matter what, that ka was scum, but bad town if town and he should die, and then he vigged one of the lower-information slots (not the LEAST information, but) for what is literally omgus. His reasoning was never genuine, and he was already backing out before I posted, hedging saying he "might unvig me" like that's even a thing. He still seems to be pretending he is a vig. In no way does this make him TOWN.

[Venmar]

The fact you have ignored the entire Nexus part of my post ( even though I think you have shown suspicion on Nexus ) and

honed

in the MS part, probably means you are.

I'll reread his reasons for your benefit though, cause his fakeclaim is admittedly the only thing biasing my read.

[Ankamius]

He basically based his entire reason for choosing Amrun as being one of the three people who was on the KA wagon (which he never left, by the way) and later moved to voting him. He obviously agreed with KA being scum (because otherwise why would have have been voting for him for other half the game and STILL be voting him?), so his entire logic train is based on voting him. As an addition to this, he chose the one person who moved off a big wagon to start a new one, while the other two were in the last 3 slots in both.

lalalalalalalala

[BROseidon]

Venmar you can be town. That is a really well put-together case with lots of town motivation seeping through.

Disagree with your MS point is as much as dayvig fakeclaim can be done by either alignment and there really isn't strong motivation one way or the other for it. Granted, I don't have that much experience with it (all my games where one happened are in progress), and I still need to read the MS wagon formation to judge what I think, but the dayvig claim should be treated as null.

pedit: Amrun that dayvig was probably a reaction test so who he targeted is not material.

pedit2: GOD DAMMIT STOP TALKING ABOUT THE DAYVIG LIKE IT WAS SERIOUS SO I CAN POST >:C

[Amrun]

I'm ignoring your post on nexus because I don't think any of those things are particularly unlikely to come from nexus town and I don't want the town to get bogged down in discussion of someone else when I believe metal sonic should literally be being quicklynched with extreme prejudice.

I acknowledge that you made a case on nexus and I'm cogitating about it, but nexus is really far down my priority list right now.

P-edit: how do you know it's a reaction test?

If he were town, it might be, but I don't think his behavior came off genuinely so I don't think it is.

If metal sonic is town bro is scum.

[BROseidon]

Notice how you aren't dead.

Your logic is horrible.

[Venmar]

I'm ignoring your post on nexus because I don't think any of those things are particularly unlikely to come from nexus town and I don't want the town to get bogged down in discussion of someone else when I believe metal sonic

should literally be being quicklynched with extreme prejudice.

Yeah you're hotheaded about it, don't BS me. I'm trying to be reasonable FYI.

[Andrius]

NOTICE

Cabd

replaces

KillerApple

effective immediately.

I have moved the deadline to

July 9th 2013, 4:00pm PST

for the replacements and given that I may be traveling on the 6th. That will be as far as it goes, barring more replacements.

Furthermore, Cabd will be V/LA July 4-7.