Newbie 1390 -- Game Over

Nobody Special · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:55 pm

In post 549, Guyett wrote:
I have a question regarding NS's post about the deadline extension. Klick comes in to replace Feg and the deadline is being extended... if Feg was town he would have nothing to do with any night time activities so why would his replacement need an extension for night time? I don't know if it common policy here to give an extension for everyone replacing at night time. could Klick then be scum?

If I hadn't extended the night deadline, it could have confirmed the replacement as town. I am an impartial Mod, and therefore did not want to auto-confirm anyone, thus influencing the game. Take from that what you will. (Yes, it's pretty common, for that reason.)

Guyett · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:10 pm

I would have thought the other way, there was still half a day for potential scum to read up and have a chat. extending it for an extra day or 2 makes the replacement look like scum :shrug:

JasonWazza · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:14 pm

Again read what he said Guyett.

All replacements would have got the same treatment, you trying to treat it as scum is bad.

Not to mention that hammer from yesterday.

Guyett · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:17 pm

yeah I know now Jason... I didn't know the standard procedure for replacements during night time. Then again I did say I wanted to hear from klick before making any judgement.
By all means hammer me, I deserve it after that stupid drunk hammer

goodmorning · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:55 am

OH I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS THAT BEST PR-SLIPPED BUT DID YOU LISTEN?? OHHHH NOOOOOO

OF COURSE NOT

I was writing a post but it was lost when NS locked the thread before I got to post it.

In post 549, Guyett wrote:@gm why no outburst after I drunk hammered best? got a lot of reaction from Cabd, rhyx and gar but none from you...
you'e been very distant in this game, have you even been doing much scum hunting?

There was no reason. By the time I got online everyone had already said all there really was to say about it, you'd been read the riot act, and they'd straightened you out. Me going back onto the subject would only have been meaningless noise at a time when moving quickly was a necessity.
Are you questioning me for some reason or just to see yourself post?

I want to see Klick speak his mind, then I'll have a pretty clear idea on the game I think.

TheGarantula · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:21 am

Cabd getting NK'd and the hammer last night are making Guyett look scummy.

That said, I think I'm gonna have to reread this thread since bestwillcui flipped town. T-T

Guyett · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:24 am

I know this is super WIFOMy but if I'm already looking bad for drunk hammering best why would I then lynch the other person that was top of my scummiest people list.

JasonWazza · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:27 am

Because it is WIFOMy?

It means you can look back, design a new reads list and be

Less

suspected because of it (as your scum reads flipped town)

Guyett · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:29 am

fine lynch me... I'll flip town and you'll all be in ly-lo tomorrow :shrug:

Guyett · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:37 am

In post 144, Guyett wrote:Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

I still have Cabd down as scummy
Here's a list of the players in order of scummyness reads so far

bestwillcui - so far comes off as the scummyiest one due to the posts over the last 24 hrs or so
Cabd - I am still very suspicipus of Cabd
Derivan - getting a slight scum read here
Darq - null read due to inactivity, however if the player has been lurking they could easily be scumming
Fegelein - slight town read, on SM's radar which is interesting though
TheGarantula - medium town read. more logical posting and I can see why he has targeted me. all the wifom was entirely accidental and could look pretty bad lol
JasonWazza - town read so far. experienced player who is playing slightly abrasively and calling out people on tells. this activity seems similar to styles in old games of his
goodmorning - town read for reasons already stated by me and garantula.

however from experience in games from elsewhere I think only 1 of the scum will come from the top of that list
. the other will probably be in the bottom 4, possibly due to experience at hiding scum tells or just skill at hiding them.

yeah so of the top 3 2 are dead and confirmed town and the other is as good as confirmed town now.
I said 1 from the bottom 4 but I think we might have 2 from there now, either 2 SE's or one SE and an IC
I know that people said it was wishy washy but this is what I meant with that post earlier... the scummiest then are not always the scum.

JasonWazza · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:38 am

I don't think Deri is confirmed town

ryhx · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:39 am

Good to be back guys and welcome,klick.

Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me. Im also not quite sure to believe his drunk hammer still, think I had some points I wanted him to address specifically, I'll have to check back tmr.

@goodmorning: what was the gist of the message you were going to post?
Also, please point out the post where you fucking told us best was a PR.

Everyone else has to wait I'm fucking falling asleep as I type.

P-edit: Guyett...trying to push a wifom case? Doesn't work

Guyett · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:41 am

not pushing it,
Also I can assure you I was drunk. I had my graduation and I was drinking from 11am until 3am, I had the worst hangover I've ever had... it lasted 3 days

JasonWazza · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:43 am

In post 431, goodmorning wrote:I already have expressed my reservations on best: I think he is erratic newbTown. PLUS he kinda-sorta PR slipped a while back. Are we going to ignore that?

Rhyx this is one of GM's post calling Best a PR.

Guyett wrote:not pushing it,
Also I can assure you I was drunk. I had my graduation and I was drinking from 11am until 3am, I had the worst hangover I've ever had... it lasted 3 days

Least you didn't get a tramp stamp of anything like that.

TheGarantula · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:44 am

In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.

What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.

goodmorning · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:24 am

In post 560, JasonWazza wrote:I don't think Deri is confirmed town

He is as good as unless there's a counter-claim.

IF YOU HAVE A PR AND ARE NOT DERI, PLEASE CLAIM NOW.

In post 561, ryhx wrote:@goodmorning: what was the gist of the message you were going to post?
Also, please point out the post where you fucking told us best was a PR.

I don't really remember much of it, seeing as it was like 2am here and three or four days ago. The general gist was mostly responses to Cabd, I believe.
Jason pointed it out in his 563. Normally a PR slip isn't something I'd point out, but seeing as he BLATANTLY ASKED ABOUT CRUMBING...

Derivan · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:34 am

Alright here is the last of the promised ISOs

Spoiler: GM ISO

Conclusion: GM is scum based on the following: The vote swap deal she makes with Feg (one of the scummiest people on the only readlist she provided even after making promise after promise and excuse after excuse not to post another one), her very weak case against me: 1. She states it is based on my RVS voting logic, which she attacks and at the same time defends in post 98
2. That at first it is only "just a temporary move of vote" but, then suddenly it is "the way he seems to be hanging out outside game continuity with his posts", and "lacking follow-up"
, and her case against

Cabd

. I also think that it is possible that since she knew

best

was going to flip town and she recognized that he likely would be wagoned she made a case for him being town so she would earn town-points. This would explain why why she is blatantly pointed that out in her first two day 2 posts instead of scumhunting. Also I think it is possible that her initial vote and case against Feg was a way to distance her from her scum partner.

That being said.

VOTE: goodmorning

Derivan · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:40 am

In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.

His story is plausible though, here is my read list.

TOWN
Gar
Rhyx
NULL
JW
Guyett
SCUM
Klick
GM

goodmorning · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:44 am

Jason disagreed that the logic was there. The logic was there. Doesn't automatically make you Town. I'd also like you to demonstrate where I said that was why I was voting you.

And my vote move became un-temporary when I changed my mind on Cabd. I apologise if that didn't become clear to you.

Of course I recognized best would probably flip town, HE FUCKING PR SLIPPED IN THE MOST BLATANT WAY POSSIBLE

If you don't get CCd I won't be voting you again.

I want Klick to talk, then I shall tell you how I feel about the Feg slot once and for all.

Guyett · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:57 pm

In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.

Its more a case of me saying lynch me because I f*cked up as a townie when drunk....but I could well have cost town the game with that stupid hammer.
I'm saying that I would understand if you lynched me... hell I'd lynch me for that. But if you do lynch me it'll be almost impossible for town to win.
I've said it already, I think we are dealing with experienced scum... they know I've played the WIFOM card already so they lynched my main scum target :shrug:

Nobody Special · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:16 pm

Votecount 2.01

goodmorning - 2 - Guyett, Derivan
Guyett - 1 - JasonWazza

Not Voting: ryhx, TheGarantula, Klick, goodmorning

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-17 05:01:24)

JasonWazza · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:26 pm

In post 566, Derivan wrote: I also think that it is possible that since she knew
best
was going to flip town and she recognized that he likely would be wagoned she made a case for him being town so she would earn town-points. This would explain why why she is blatantly pointed that out in her first two day 2 posts instead of scumhunting. Also I think it is possible that her initial vote and case against Feg was a way to distance her from her scum partner.

Question, is it not possible she is town make a case as to why best was town?

Town also don't want town lynched

goodmorning wrote:Jason disagreed that the logic was there. The logic was there. Doesn't automatically make you Town. I'd also like you to demonstrate where I said that was why I was voting you.

(I still think that was the scummiest PR slip ever)

Guyett wrote:
In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.
Its more a case of me saying lynch me because I f*cked up as a townie when drunk....but I could well have cost town the game with that stupid hammer.
I'm saying that I would understand if you lynched me... hell I'd lynch me for that. But if you do lynch me it'll be almost impossible for town to win.
I've said it already, I think we are dealing with experienced scum... they know I've played the WIFOM card already so they lynched my main scum target :shrug:

So we can lynch you and it'll be almost impossible for town to win?

Can you stop calling yourself town and ACT TOWN INSTEAD?

Derivan · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:35 pm

In post 571, JasonWazza wrote: Question, is it not possible she is town make a case as to why best was town?

@JW
Anything is possible. However, I think it is very probable that she is scum. This is based on the case I made above, the timing of her posts and the withholding of read lists. I'd like to hear other thoughts from Gar.

In post 568, goodmorning wrote:And my vote move became un-temporary when I changed my mind on Cabd. I apologise if that didn't become clear to you.

Oh the move was very clear. Clearly scummy when read in conjunction with your shady out of the blue vote deal with your scummiest read.

In post 568, goodmorning wrote:
Of course I recognized best would probably flip town, HE FUCKING PR SLIPPED IN THE MOST BLATANT WAY POSSIBLE

Interesting that you keep reminding us of that. AND IN ALL CAPS NO LESS!

In post 568, goodmorning wrote: I want Klick to talk, then I shall tell you how I feel about the Feg slot once and for all.

What is the hold up? Or is this along the lines of your broken read list promises.

JasonWazza · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:40 pm

Deri, i haven't posted a single reads list, does that make me scum?

Derivan · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:44 pm

In post 572, Derivan wrote:I'd like to hear other thoughts from Gar.

Also from Rhyx.

JasonWazza wrote:Deri, i haven't posted a single reads list, does that make me scum?

You didn't repeatedly promise one, so to me it doesn't appear that you are stalling. I still have a null read on you though for other reasons.