Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Selkies]

You’re a body guard with a delayed death should your protect be successful. Essentially, a bodyguard but with a bit of extra power. Is this correct?

yes

But you didn’t claim day one when mara claimed doc. Nor did you claim D2 when she lived through the night. But day three, during massclaim, you claim bodyguard but not your exact role until you get pushed on. First you’re a bodyguard, then a doc (bodyguard that won’t die is a doc folks) then modified bodyguard. This worries me greatly.

Nero, can you clarify with more detail exactly why you chose to wait until D3 to claim?

'cause there wasn't a reason to claim? I already specifically stated that a claim from me would nothing but more then outguessing the mod which is something that I'm not interested in. Why do you think that I didn't protect Mara night 2? There's reason for scum to not kill certain roles 'cause it creates a lot of WIFOM.

I never claimed Doc. I told the truth b/c I DON'T die that night like a normal BG.

Why do you think that SOO would know to ask me about that?

Is there any way at all that the A'Dam maker/giver could be scum? Because, I'm considering SoO all but confirmed town on the basis of getting that gift N1 and him crumbing it D2.

[Selkies]

If both bodyguard and doctor are in the game then there has to be something in your role mechanics that prevent you from forming a cross-protected cell of night time invulnerability.

[Nero Cain]

So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.

[Selkies]

So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.

I could have asked the same question. I've seen bodyguard variants that are essentially doctors, and I've used such variants in past games on other forums because I am an evil game designer and moderator. I'm aware that current site meta at MS has all but eliminated this variant because someone bitched to me about the variant no longer being in the MS wiki a year or two ago.

[Nero Cain]

but I didn't claim any modifications but he still knew to ask me about them?

just seems weird to me. Anyways, moar Mara votes.

[Selkies]

But to your question about whether the inventor could be scum, a few things...

- like I asked is there any way the inventor character would be scum? Or is there another "inventor" candidate that could make the claim a fake-claim?

- Why would scum give town a one-shot like a redirect?

[Selkies]

but I didn't claim any modifications but he still knew to ask me about them?

just seems weird to me. Anyways, moar Mara votes.

The first time I ran into a claimed bodyguard at MS I asked her enough questions to figure out what sort of bodyguard she was claiming. She seemed shocked that I wouldn't know how a bodyguard is supposed to work.

Then the next day she revealed that she was really a doctor.

The only reason I'm not tearing both of you apart atm is because I think we need to lynch Demon today.

[Nero Cain]

But to your question about whether the inventor could be scum, a few things...

-1. like I asked is there any way the inventor character would be scum? Or is there another "inventor" candidate that could make the claim a fake-claim?

- 2. Why would scum give town a one-shot like a redirect?

???????

I never asked you if an inventor could be scum. I also added numbers.

1. I don't remember you asking this, but I don't know flavor well enough to speculate on this.

2. I'm not even voting for SOO

[Selkies]

[quote=Nero Cain post_id=5078361 time=1372881604 user_id=12589]So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.[/quote]

Seemed to be implied in the bolded, Nero. If you're not questioning whether SoO is town, I'm not sure what you are doing?

[Selkies]

holy shit runaway bold

[sword_of_omens]

Is there any way at all that the A'Dam maker/giver could be scum? Because, I'm considering SoO all but confirmed town on the basis of getting that gift N1 and him crumbing it D2.

Yes, there are scum inventors...90's Cartoon Maf had one...
this should not be the only reason i am town to you...

[Selkies]

Is there any way at all that the A'Dam maker/giver could be scum? Because, I'm considering SoO all but confirmed town on the basis of getting that gift N1 and him crumbing it D2.

Yes, there are scum inventors...90's Cartoon Maf had one...
this should not be the only reason i am town to you...

I'm talking about in this flavor, not in general.

And no, it's not the only reason but it's a pretty big hurdle if that is what Nero is tryring to get at.

[Nero Cain]

So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.

Seemed to be implied in the bolded, Nero. If you're not questioning whether SoO is town, I'm not sure what you are doing?[/quote]
I guess that maybe I could see it that way. But it was a reply to your "I'm townreading SOO 'cause he crumbed. And its not an impossibility for scum to crumb, maybe less likely but not impossible.

[Selkies]

So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.

Seemed to be implied in the bolded, Nero. If you're not questioning whether SoO is town, I'm not sure what you are doing?

I guess that maybe I could see it that way. But it was a reply to your "I'm townreading SOO 'cause he crumbed. And its not an impossibility for scum to crumb, maybe less likely but not impossible.[/quote]
It's not impossible. And if scum-SoO is giving townies presents, then of course he'd crumb. And the timing of his crumb - right after I voted him on d2 - makes equal sense whether he is town or scum, I guess.

Btw your reply to my day 2 crumb-post telling me I was being stupid made me wonder if you were the inventor. :/

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If both bodyguard and doctor are in the game then there has to be something in your role mechanics that prevent you from forming a cross-protected cell of night time invulnerability.

Mara?
Nero?

This kinda got skipped.

[Iecerint]

I'm pretty confident that Nero and Demon are scum at this point due to the timing of Demon's claim (i.e., after lots of players, but not after Nero) and the more recent revelations.

Also, I checked over D2, and I don't think a player with Nero's claimed role would say something like this D2 after the ThAd/Mara claims, even with the /outguess Nero has intimated he thought might have been in play:

yep. I don't really like the THAD or Mara lynches.

[Nero Cain]

?????????????

So I changed my mind on Mara. How is the world is that suspicious?

[Iecerint]

ThAd had claimed commuter, Mara had claimed doctor.

I can kind-of imagine a hypothetical player who was a bodyguard-doctor thinking "aha" when they see a doctor-doctor claim, but not when a commuter has ALSO claimed. You'd have been evaluating them to see which was scum with an extra-critical eye, not blithely not liking their lynches.

[Nero Cain]

Why do you think that I didn't protect Mara night 2 and then call Mara scum right out the gate on day 3?

Fucking facepalm yourself.

[Iecerint]

Because you're scum, and probably not with Mara?

ThAd's flip wouldn't have provided you any additional information if you already thought all three of you were plausibly town.

[Ms Marangal]

I'll read up after Marathons are over!!

We do have time for that right?

[Iecerint]

Deadline is next Monday.

[Cephrir]

And it may be extended depending on how this replacement situation pans out.

[Nero Cain]

Because you're scum, and probably not with Mara?

ThAd's flip wouldn't have provided you any additional information if you already thought all three of you were plausibly town.

I'm on the verge on tears 'cause you are so dumb. There's no way that I'm scum. But you've pretty much made up your mind that I'm scum s even if Demon does flip scum then town has no chance of winning so thank you for being a 4th member of the scum team.

Even if I'm wrong and demon is scum then one of Selk/GCBC is probs a buddy that's bussing/distancing.

I was town reading Demon 'cause Mara was attacking him. Maybe that's a sign of buddy play, idk.

Selk, why do you think that its a stretch for me to suspect a scum a scum inventor? Not that I do but why do you think that would be a stretch?

[Selkies]

Because you're scum, and probably not with Mara?

ThAd's flip wouldn't have provided you any additional information if you already thought all three of you were plausibly town.

I'm on the verge on tears 'cause you are so dumb. There's no way that I'm scum. But you've pretty much made up your mind that I'm scum s even if Demon does flip scum then town has no chance of winning so thank you for being a 4th member of the scum team.

Even if I'm wrong and demon is scum then one of Selk/GCBC is probs a buddy that's bussing/distancing.

I was town reading Demon 'cause Mara was attacking him. Maybe that's a sign of buddy play, idk.

Selk, why do you think that its a stretch for me to suspect a scum a scum inventor? Not that I do but why do you think that would be a stretch?

I don't see how you get me as a possible buddy of demon.

I think a scum inventor in this game is a stretch because of the one-shot power(s?) involved. Giving town a redirect device is asking for trouble from a scum perspective. Worst case I could have redirected the scum night kill onto scum. Because that was precisely what I hoped to do.