The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Tierce]

Tag. Or almost, because the motel has a swimming pool and wooooooo.

Yes Amrun, I am totally stalling. Rich coming from you, Ms Let's Abuse This Description Of My Life Events And Feel Okay About It As Scum When People Give Me Some Space Out Of Respect. What is more, you HAVE seen me being lurkish as Town. Are we near deadline? Is my input absolutely needed on something? No. So kindly bugger off and go do the usual hypocrisy dance of "I have every right to be busy but others do not omg side sniping!" I was NOT side-sniping, I explained why your behavior and attitude favors scum, and when I ask you to answer me it's because it's the only thing I have been keeping up with. Terribly scummy of me to want to continue that, I know.

[Nachomamma8]

^

stalling scum

[Tierce]

< Scumridge Inn scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Can you explain how Nexus entered your hard townpile?

I'm trusting CDB's read on him. I don't see CDB get strong townreads like the Nexus read often, I know they've been running the Podcast together/met each other at LEAST at the UK meet, so they're probably pretty familiar with each other as a bonus.

[tsunami]

I said "with little to go off of." In no way does that say "without any reason."

I didn't say "without any reason" though, I said "for very little reason."

I didn't realize you were Tammy, or I probably did at some point but forgot. I try to treat hydrae as separate entities because their meta isn't the same as the individual composing players. I kind of forgot you were a hydra today, at least. Chances are i noted it in my brain at some point.

That actually changes things a bit in my mind -- the things that were bothering me about you I don't find particularly alignment indicative in Tammy. Okay.

But you need to realize something. You're trying to criticize me for town reading a post that doesn't exist anymore. You can't even evaluate it for yourself, which is one of the things I found alarming about the whole line of inquiry. How do you expect to determine my motivation if you can't even see the impetus?

But in general... Your heckles are up, and I wasn't the only person to mention AV, so why single me out? That I couldn't understand. But my worries are eased and I think you're more likely to be town, in fact.

My other head seems to have left me, so I'm the only one who's posted here.

It doesn't matter to me that the post is there or isn't. It was the reasoning, and I only asked you because of the reasoning of the town read. It always piques my interest when someone gives a vocal or strong player an early town read for doing very little, so you thinking he was town for thinking you were town based on that reasoning made me wonder. If you would have said, we play a lot together and can read each other easy or even gut, it probably wouldn't have even registered to me.

[tsunami]

KA and Venmar unlikely to be scum together, IMO.

But apparently Venmar's been dropping character hints; I didn't pay attention to jokes in regards to this. But KA was looking for it, apparently, so that's scummy.

Or he's read the books and knows the flavor pretty well and it jumped out at him? I could probably tell you who a couple of people are going to claim based on their jokes, but then again I learned mafia at the westeros forum comprised of ASOIAF geeks so...

[tsunami]

Apologies for this lazy request, but since I've been a bit out of the loop over the weekend, can someone briefly summarise the case against metal sonic?

It appears to have some momentum and I'm intrigued as to why.

Otherwise when I have time later I will Iso his posts and see for myself.

How about you give your opinion on metal sonic.

[tsunami]

Okay CDB is probably my strongest town read right now. In the Wire we had a whole meta discussion about CDB and how he tends to lurk as scum. He's actually more active than he was there and feels more natural, so my bet is on town. (Also, I might still feel guilty for not fighting harder for him and second guessing my town read in that game, and that makes me see him as more town.)

[tsunami]

Tierce might be town.. i don't remember her walling in a game im thinking of where she was scum, need to read into that.

[tsunami]

Everybody is scum, nothing to do with your meltdown under pressure.

Melting down under pressure is not a scumtell; it's personality based.

[tsunami]

Tierce might be town.. i don't remember her walling in a game im thinking of where she was scum, need to read into that.

she can wall as scum
I however, cannot, so I'm confirmed town at this point and you should sheep me onto Dekes

Here...right here. I think you might be town. Can you guess why?

[tsunami]

primarily i am making myself helpful in respect for the mod

<3 Andy sorry for my bad behaviour earlier I'll make it up by scumhunting okay!~~!




and to town: read my VCA at page 19

This makes metal sonic more likely town. I do remember in nightless metal's other head thinking he had to come in and save metal from a mislynch that he insinuated was an easy occurence although metal looked more town than his other head ironically. Don't know about metal's meta besides that game, but I think he was referring to another site? cause it seemed like his other head, he and another player knew each other from elsewhere. So, yes, some of his play has been annoying, but his appeal to town to read his vca? Town.

[tsunami]

Brosideon's "look at my weak reasons" is ewww.

Why? I thought that looked townish.

[tsunami]

When was the last time a Dayvig was actually a real thing and it was public? I'm struggling to remember.

Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

Marketplace II had BB as a town dayvig. Most of us thought it was fake though until it went through.

[tsunami]

@ nexus

the only people who avoid providing lists when asked are either scum or stupid/stubborn town. thinking the latter. I was hoping to be able to work with you but I guess not

I don't do lists.

[tsunami]

That is also my usual solution to people whining about wanting reads - i'll do a minor compromise.

ty cos if something happens to you in the night round I am going to be working from that list.


okay so here is why I wanna lynch apple. I don't believe her when she says she read metal's previous games. it isn't in his wiki and I had to dig pretty hard through his posts in order to pull up 2 games, 1 in which he was scum and the other was a hydra and was town. this is nothing like his scum game so instead of saying, "he does this all of the time so he is probably town" if she read those games it should have been "well he was scum in the game I read and here is acting totally different". not to mention apple said earlier in the game she is still getting used to this site but she knows it well enough to do a hard to do meta-dive?

fuck that shit I think she is lying and is scum. unless metal can cough up some more completed games that is prolly where our vote will wind up.

In what game was Metal scum? Because when he was talking to me a few nights ago he said he didn't have scum meta.

[tsunami]

Nobody will care because it's Venmar, but I think Nexus is scum, like HARD.

To begin with, Nexus has spent practically the entire game not giving any concrete or definite reads, instead he prefers to delay giving such and makes excuses for giving reads, which makes him permanently neutral and on the fence in most debates, or otherwise uninvolved. He delays until it is finally squeezed out of him in post #518. This is a scumtell because I only see scum players (A) Delay reads or just not give them and (B) make constant excuses for things. Sure town does it there and then, but Nexus does it consistantly.

This is not scummy. If anything this makes him more likely town as scum he would more likely give a couple reads to fend off accusations like this. This can be a scum tell for newbs who just don't know what they're doing, but I don't see it in Nexus. And besides the past couple times I saw Nexus as scum he barely posted. The fact that he's been pretty active reads town to me.

I don't necessarily like MS for scum, but I won't mourn his passing.

- Not only is this part of the post very scummy in the regard that he indirectly pushes MS's wagon and supports it without putting both of his feet in the water and joining the wagon ( hence, pushing the guys lynch while not actually being on the wagon ), which is funny since MS is probably town from the looks of it so this likes like scum influence, but it's very interesting in contrast to the next quote:

Again, not scummy. I've made similar comments as town about people I thought were a danger to town or being distracting a lot.

Most of his "scumreads", notably me and KA, he never actually pushes them or commits to them. He drops the occasional insult or jab, but he never actually fully pushes them or puts himself on the line. He has never actually voted for me either and is instead opting for trying to convince a theoretical vig to kill me and do the dirty work for him ( them? ), and same thing with KA. For the majority of his involvement on the KA wagon, for example, he remains in the background and lets some of the other players push the wagon for him. He doesn't help push it, just nods his head and stays quiet. When the interest in the KA wagon dissolves, he no longer pursues it either and virtually it appears like he was just along for the ride. Nexus is

all voice

but

no action or risk

, he voices his weak opinion, but relies on other players to push it for him and lets them do the work. Metal Sonic ( indirectly ), KillerApple, and I are the prime examples.

Talk to me if we're all alive on day three and he's still exhibiting this kind of tendency. A lot of players have difficulty forming great scum reads on day one (Hi!) before a flip and find day one tedious. Some people tend to be observant (Hi!), so this doesn't necessarily denote scum. But, I think this case on him more likely makes you town.

I think CDB is scum.

..

Why?

[tsunami]

you must really like waffles.

I do!

[tsunami]

Okay apple's replace out was ehhh, but cabd's non stop insistence that he's obvtown makes him look obvtown. It doesn't hurt that I thought apple was town for the most part though, and I tend to think that people who repeatedly insist they're obvtown are town just cuz I like to think people aren't horrible liars. Mafia weakness this is one of them.

Have I called everyone town yet? I feel like I'm close.

[tsunami]

Okay Post 623 Venmar is town.

I'm sorry for spamming.

[tsunami]

Okay Reck and Amrun are probably not scum together. I'd like to think she'd leave her partners attempt at fake dumb-telling alone. But him not realizing what she was calling him out for looked semi-genuine. <------- I don't know how much I believe this.

[tsunami]

FTR officially on my way to LA for Expo.

Phone posting only now until Monday or maaaaybe Sunday night.

Didn't you say earlier a big reads post was forthcoming?

[Tierce]

Have I called everyone town yet? I feel like I'm close.

Pick me, pick me!

I haven't forgotten this game, things sprang up all over, but I am not going to sleep before catching up.

Send help.

Will help me sleep all better and stuff and then I'll dream that ChannelDelixus are calling me scum and be sad instead.

[tsunami]

Um...the last almost 20 posts are mine. Can everyone just pretend it's a big wall? or less annoying than a big wall?

I still do need to spend some time re-reading the beginning of the thread and getting my thoughts together in a better manner.

But the town reads that I feel really good about right now are: CDB, Nexus, Mollie, Venmar and someone else...

Metal Sonic and Cabd are probs town. And I'm starting to lean town on Nacho.

In fact Nacho, I'm not a big fan of some of the other wagons and my RVS vote has been on you for a pathetically long time. I'm going to help you out here:

VOTE: Dekes

I don't have a town read on him, but I also don't have a town read on Generic so if you'd like to discuss him with me that would be awesome.

Okay I feel like I was going to say something else, but I can't remember what it was right now. I'll come back if I remember, otherwise I'll get some of my thoughts together over the next couple days. If someone else could post, so this page isn't practically all me, that would be awesome.

pedit: Thanks Tierce for breaking up the monotony!

[Tierce]

But the town reads that I feel really good about right now are: CDB, Nexus, Mollie, Venmar and someone else...

"I feel really good about this list of people that... I don't know everyone who is in it."

You got two options: It's me (hi!), or it's me (hi!), or it had better start being me (uhm, hi!), or what the heck happened there? How do you forget a list right as you make it when you function a lot via Townreads?