Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[talah]

And also, yes the point is, just guess. It beats the shit out of 'well I don't know'. It indicates you're prepared to take a certain kind of risk. Like the risk that you can adequately explain later that you were guessing.

[talah]

Hey no absolutely mothrax did shit. But the fact remains he did nothing scummy IMO.

[talah]

Anyway bedtime FYI, hopefully we can get a replacement or two so we don't all self-destroy.

[Greywing]

Isn't the order really important? Like for MYLO or LYLO or whatever? Aren't we in a pretty shitty situation if we mislynch again? So your list would have to be 100% containing the two scum to avoid us losing, if we voted all three? (I don't know how it works in detail but I think it's a valid question / point - I mean you'd want to be voting your #1 scumspect I'd think?)

(apologies for the 4 x question marks - really it's a compound question punctuated by confusion)

I'm very confident that it's two out of the three of you. If we pick wrong, mislynch today, and scum successfully kills, we'll have 3 Town and 2 scum on D3. There's 2 scum remaining in my list. We just lynch the last 2. I have strong Town reads on the other 3 players, so I don't feel nervous about playing it out this way. If I wasn't so sure, then yes, I'd agree that this wouldn't be the best idea.

Talah, if it came down to it, would you be willing to lynch Gen or Freezer today?

[GuyInFreezer]

Hi.
Rach blamed me for not posting when she didn't gave me my role PM.

[GuyInFreezer]

GuyInFreezer replaces mothrax immediately

VC coming up

And you didn't even tell me which game I replaced in until now?

Sorry about that and not sure what happened since I DID forward the role PM right away. Internet burp I guess.

[GuyInFreezer]

Um how did JK got lynched?

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 2.02


Greywing talah
GuyInFreezer jmo16mla, Greywing



Not Voting
Hyperion, GuyInFreezer, Malakittens, Gen_Wolf



With 7 it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-14 00:53:31)


Hyperion has been prodded and the situation with GuyInFreezer has been sorted...Rach

[GuyInFreezer]

Talah, if it came down to it, would you be willing to lynch Gen or Freezer today?

[Greywing]

^Cool.

So, who actually is scum then?

[jmo16mla]

Um how did JK got lynched?

Got five votes on him.

Now, tell me, who's scum?

[GuyInFreezer]

Typically I don't give out town reads. And to be honest, I don't have town reads in any games. Everyone is scum until they are dead.

I voted because of the fact that Luigi's vote was an obvious joke vote, and yet Mala seemed to jump on him for it.

It wasn't that obvious to the rest of us. 3 people commented thinking that vote was serious. Mala didn't appear all that aggressive about it either; she just reasonably asked why Luigi voted that way.

So you're voting grey wing because you don't understand his vote?

I'm voting him because A. his vote felt opportunistic after you had questioned mala's assumption about replacing and B. Post 20's reaction to your vote felt more like "Why aren't you voting with me?" than just justifying his vote. It bothers me that he left it ambiguous hare in this post and waited to clarify later in Post 41.

Luigi's posts rub me in the wrong way. You should make more of an effort to comment on the thread. When someone comes back to the thread only to end up defending themselves I start to think they aren't looking for mafia. I know the first day is particularly hard to find information but you at least have to try to make some reads.

The Jmo and Mothrax votes I'm not feeling currently. I think jmo's vote is fine this early in the game and mothrax coaching thing doesn't make sense. Isn't coaching something you do for a scumbuddy? It's not something I'd look for without knowing the alignment of one of them first.

For now,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Greywing

Some good analysis coming from GW, maybe a bit

too

good? I wonder if he's missed out on tentatively reading anyone yet?

So...I'm scum because I'm a decent player?

So really.. timezones notwithstanding.. I need to triple-post for a reaction?

Let's just win the 'quickest knewb game' award by lynching Mala and Thane in quick succession.

(caveat -

@Mala

, you said you were V/LA for a couple of days so I'm prepared to wait for a non-sleep-deprived explanation, if you have one.
)

@Thane

, can you explain please why you think Mala would defend your position; in theory if you are Town. You also promised thread activity in Post 62, which hasn't eventuated yet. Here's your chance.

Not particularly no.

Grey is my top scumread ATM, but I need to reread the last couple of pages. I didn't like luigi and your case on mala seems reaching.

Not sure about Greywing. Honeybee seems alright at this stage too.

As I was looking through earlier to get some opinions I found myself with a +1 or 2 scummy on Luigi... and then realised I'd subbed in for same

So TBH my arguments regarding Mala / Thane voting him seem to have been probably more null than anything. I'd really like to quiz Mala on her idea that she wanted to prevent a 'scumflip', however. Even if it does seem a reach, the answer might be important. If (s?)he's V/LA at the moment I may need to focus elsewhere and ask again later.

Just asking, and not saying in this case it's relevant, but can V/LA at times be used as a tool to avoid questions?

No.
I didn't even start reading and I don't plan to until tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

Greatest fail of my life.

[jmo16mla]

It appears as though you were reading... When you said you wouldn't be...

Very well then. \('.'\) (/'.')/

[GuyInFreezer]

It appears as though you were reading... When you said you wouldn't be...

Very well then. \('.'\) (/'.')/

Greatest fail of my life.

My plan to be lazy today has failed.

Anyway, at this point, I don't like luigi/talah slot.

[GuyInFreezer]

Might as well as comment on those quotes.

1) A+
2) that early and already fucking town. Shame that he died early.
3) I was gonna say "where did he called you scum" and then I saw that vote.
4) I don't remember tal saying that he have thane as scum prior to that post so redflag#1.
5) V/LA can be faked but Mala is not the kind of a person who would fake V/LA.

[GuyInFreezer]

Now I'm out for today.
Waiting for marathon.

[Gen_Wolf]

Cool well now that Freezer has arrived im going to put my vote where it was

vote: Greywing

Will wait for freezers reads

[talah]

I'm very confident that it's two out of the three of you. If we pick wrong, mislynch today, and scum successfully kills, we'll have 3 Town and 2 scum on D3. There's 2 scum remaining in my list. We just lynch the last 2. I have strong Town reads on the other 3 players, so I don't feel nervous about playing it out this way. If I wasn't so sure, then yes, I'd agree that this wouldn't be the best idea.

Talah, if it came down to it, would you be willing to lynch Gen or Freezer today?

Okay thanks for explaining. But it's too much to take on faith - a person would need to 1) trust your assessment completely 2) become an automaton and not take new information on board. If you have strong cases for any of your scum reads a summary case detailing the points might help?

At this stage I wouldn't consider moving my vote unless there was a good reason to. Gen has a town vibe to me, and Hyper did until his last post... and now he's null.

If it came down to the risk of no-lynch or vote one of those two.. I don't know that a no-lynch is as damaging Day 2 as it would have been Day 1 so... I dunno. Maybe Monsieur IC could postulate on the pure theory briefly.

Very well then. \('.'\) (/'.')/

Did you just post boobs? And will you respond to my post 567?

@Gen: I dunno what just happened there and sorry for freaking out on you. But I could imagine Hyper moseying on in unannounced and just laying a hammer on if a few posts had passed and being able to say he was only skimming, you know, maybe honest maybe not, who could tell. Too risky methinks.

[talah]

Oh Grey, btw I misread, you said Gen or Freezer. I'll have to wait for Freezer input. Mothrax I did have the vague unexplained town on but started to get suspicious when his activity died down, and I began seeing a possible intentional disassociation between him and yourself.

[Hyperion]

Stuff to come within an hour or so.

[Hyperion]

Sure you can ask me anything.

"Guys, guys, look how cooperative I am! Ignore the fact that my predecessor dropped scum-tells, I've jumped on every available wagon in order to push a lynch, and have continuously posted fluff in order to look active...I'm willing to do anything for you guys, I *must* be Town!"

VOTE: Talah

Is this the most important reason for you voting him? You don't even mention anything prior to this being scummy, but then this six word statement garners a vote on day 2. Bad vote

While I'm answering questions, I might as well throw in:

(...)
You say mothrax would have been blameless for a no lynch

but I also see no way we can blame him in this situation as he was not on the wagon?

Care to quote where I said this?

Grey this is ridiculous. Why didn't you drop back in and say oops when you re-read it and realised (probably moments after posting it) that you've misread the sentence? Seems like you have time to drop in whenever you want to make a demand or place some allusion on someone's intent but absolutely no time to answer the questions given to you. This is pretty much the same complaint I had of jmo to start with, but I have to re-read jmo in light of heavy tunnelling. If you're doing the same thing to me, and ignoring my own questions, from experience it can be a slippery slope.

Explain to me what I misread.

As well, I have no time to answer questions from

scum reads.

I've been perfectly happy answering questions from Honey, Jmo and Mala since I trust them.

But answering questions allows for more information out into the town, helping to focus your thoughts and helping us catch scum. Besides just because they are your scum reads does not mean they can't possibly be town. This is a cop out to keep from answering questions.

So this:

@Jmo: Before someone hammers you, do you see Talah as the most likely partner for Mothrax then?

Why did you ask this? How does it help town?

...And other recent questions from Gen, and previous questions, go completely unanswered. (I give you credit for your most recent post which is actually a direct answer.) But seriously, we need to scumhunt, which means if you're town you need to be open to answering all kinds of questions, not just the ones that suit you. You had that attitude early on yourself pestering Tybalt (or Thane?) for the answer to a question. Y U NO answer questions?

I'll answer the first question for you, since you clearly have some problems putting information together.

I assumed Jmo was soon to be dead due to the wagon forming, and the reads of the playerlist regarding him. I wanted his opinion before he died. I fail to grasp why this was so tough to understand.

My thoughts/comments are in bold. Also Gen's hop onto the GIF wagon was pathetically opurtunistic.
Gen or Grey wagons both have my stamp of approval.
VOTE: Grey

[talah]

UNVOTE: Grey

At least temporarily, because I just woke up, and I think that would have put Grey at L-1.

[talah]

Right. Okay. Hyper:

1) is that IT?
2) do you have any other reason for voting Grey which is not sheeping?
3) what's so opportunistic about Gen's vote on Freezer if there was no chance you would vote him anyway?
4) who are your current scumreads? I've lost track
5) how often do you plan on posting from hereonin?

[talah]

I see you lurking.

VOTE: Hyper