Newbie 1390 -- Game Over

goodmorning · Post Post #575 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:29 pm

In post 572, Derivan wrote: Oh the move was very clear. Clearly scummy when read in conjunction with your shady out of the blue vote deal with your scummiest read.

I'd like to point out that Feg was in fact my second scummiest read at the time, just so we can get the facts right. I have a history of

not caring who votes alongside me as long as I can get my scummiest read lynched ASAP

.

As for the readslist: Sorry people keep replacing in. My bad, next time I'll do one with all the "OH THIS SLOT IS DOING FUCK-ALL" spots empty. It will be approximately three names long. One of those names would be mine, one yours, and one Gar's.
(I'll give you a hint: these are Town people who either have been posting or have been confirmed by happy circumstance

guess which is you

)

goodmorning · Post Post #576 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:30 pm

Side note that rankles rather a lot: If you're going to treat readslists as the be-all, end-all of Mafia games, I'd like to put this out there: you're gonna have a bad time.

goodmorning · Post Post #577 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:33 pm

There are some language ambiguities in the above posts I think but probably the issues of spelling and grammar can be forgiven due to the fact that it's 4:30 in the fucking morning and I'm being prodded around by someone who clearly has forgotten he read the game and I can't even do a little revenge case on him for fun because he's practically assured confTown at this point unless Klick counterclaims him and I almost wish that would happen but I've a sinking feeling it would be a lie.

ryhx · Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:50 am

In post 563, JasonWazza wrote:Rhyx this is one of GM's post calling Best a PR.

Thanks but I was asking GM.

In post 565, goodmorning wrote:Jason pointed it out in his 563. Normally a PR slip isn't something I'd point out, but seeing as he BLATANTLY ASKED ABOUT CRUMBING...

This is the problem I have with your OTT all caps 'I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS' exclamations (the quotes are in sequential order):

In post 296, goodmorning wrote:I'm guessing Cabd means specifically that it is a PR slip. Because PRs breadcrumb their roles.
I personally would disagree with that assessment because I think he'd have brought it up sooner if he were.

You say you don't think he's PR.

In post 301, goodmorning wrote:That's why Scum should crumb more subtle crumbs. But you make a good point there about the semi-open nature of the setup. But then again if he doesn't want to be lynched then just implying he has a PR might get people off his back whether he does or not.

Could be best doesn't have a PR.

In post 431, goodmorning wrote:I already have expressed my reservations on best: I think he is erratic newbTown. PLUS he
kinda-sorta
PR slipped a while back. Are we going to ignore that?

Kinda-sorta is in no way explicit nor certain. Kinda-sorta is expressing doubt.

Its possible you were wanting to play down best's PR, heck I did it too, although you didn't help me out and instead countered me, so I have doubts about that. Either way though, you didn't 'fucking tell us all' and I don't like how you're painting the situation now.

ryhx · Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:04 am

In post 567, Derivan wrote:
In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.
His story is plausible though, here is my read list.

Here's my problem with Guyett:

In post 466, Guyett wrote: I'm not entirely comfortable voting for Deri yet but Best can get my vote. I only hope I got it in in time. FWIW Cabd I am willing to claim my role as a plain old Vanilla

In post 470, Guyett wrote:Like I said I'm only in and saw a timer that said a few hours left... I felt I had to make a move and to me Best is scummier than deri.

He goes from he rushed because he hoped to get his vote in, in time to he saw there were a few hours left.

In post 473, Guyett wrote:I'm just in by flicking through I felt I had to make a move. Sorry if it looked bad

His concern about looking bad, looks bad.

His posts are rather coherent and he seems to have an understanding of what was going on. I don't doubt that he was drinking, a lot at that, but I'm wondering just how drunk/sober was he.

In post 549, Guyett wrote: Ok first of all I'd like to apologise for the drunk hammer, it was really stupid and I should have waited for Best to claim his role. I was drunk and with both players at L-1 I saw the deadline looming so I took it upon myself to hammer the player I was most suspicious of. Deri had claimed a PR and it turns out Best holds a PR so we probably would have had to all vote for a new person (likely Cabd or myself at that stage in the game)

@Guyett why did you feel you had to hammer when there were others around. Sounds like you're afraid the vote would have turned to you if best claimed.

Guyett · Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:31 am

In post 579, ryhx wrote:
In post 567, Derivan wrote:
In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.
His story is plausible though, here is my read list.
Here's my problem with Guyett:
In post 466, Guyett wrote: I'm not entirely comfortable voting for Deri yet but Best can get my vote. I only hope I got it in in time. FWIW Cabd I am willing to claim my role as a plain old Vanilla

In post 470, Guyett wrote:Like I said I'm only in and saw a timer that said a few hours left... I felt I had to make a move and to me Best is scummier than deri.
He goes from he rushed because he hoped to get his vote in, in time to he saw there were a few hours left.

In post 473, Guyett wrote:I'm just in by flicking through I felt I had to make a move. Sorry if it looked bad
His concern about looking bad, looks bad.

His posts are rather coherent and he seems to have an understanding of what was going on. I don't doubt that he was drinking, a lot at that, but I'm wondering just how drunk/sober was he.

In post 549, Guyett wrote: Ok first of all I'd like to apologise for the drunk hammer, it was really stupid and I should have waited for Best to claim his role. I was drunk and with both players at L-1 I saw the deadline looming so I took it upon myself to hammer the player I was most suspicious of. Deri had claimed a PR and it turns out Best holds a PR so we probably would have had to all vote for a new person (likely Cabd or myself at that stage in the game)
@Guyett why did you feel you had to hammer when there were others around. Sounds like you're afraid the vote would have turned to you if best claimed.

OK so like I said I had my graduation that day, I had been drinking from 11am until 3am so I was steaming drunk... but I am capable of keeping my texts/posts somewhat coherent. If you don't want to believe that fine :shrug:

I got in and saw that the deadline was close and for some reason I decided I'd have to vote. like I said in post 466 " I'm not entirely comfortable voting for Deri yet but Best can get my vote." I hadn't yet read through the last few pages so at the time I posted the vote I was not aware of the vote count or that Deri had pr claimed. I just voted and then wrote my post 466 as an explanation.

I'm not happy with what happened as looking back it was fairly obvious both had town roles. As for being afraid of being lynched well myself or Cabd would have been obvious choices.
Of course I'm concerned that it looked bad.... I've set myself as an obvious lynch target and the mafia have done their best to keep that target on me with their night kill. It is so painfully obvious that I've been set up and if/when you lynch me you'll see for yourselves.

I'm just really frustrated that that stupid drunk hammer set it up for a scum win.

goodmorning · Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:27 am

In post 578, ryhx wrote:Lots of stuff on my evolving look into best and the question of his slip.

The point of me pointing out that it didn't have to be a PR slip was indeed an attempt to play it down so he wouldn't become an NK before he had a chance to say anything useful.
The point of me saying "kinda-sorta" was to make the statement look more bitchy as to inspire people not to be idiots. It was not intended to be a statement of uncertainty. best was clearly not guileful enough to be faking.

I do count the "kinda-sorta" statement as fucking telling everyone so because that was its intent.

In post 580, Guyett wrote:I'm just really frustrated that that stupid drunk hammer set it up for a scum win.

Of all the things you've said this game, this one is the absolute scummiest.

Guyett · Post Post #582 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:11 am

Then vote for me

@rhyx and Deri what is your opinion on goodmorning?

Guyett · Post Post #583 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:12 am

lol pic didnt work... try this one instead

Derivan · Post Post #584 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:03 am

goodmorning wrote:Side note that rankles rather a lot: If you're going to treat readslists as the be-all, end-all of Mafia games, I'd like to put this out there: you're gonna have a bad time.

@GM
Rankles, nice word.

Triple post, poor form.

Early in the game your posts seemed logical and well constructed. You questioned players regularly and appeared to have the best interests of the town. Now your posts have turned unnecessarily "I FUCKING TOLD YOU ALL FUCCCKKKK" and you are obviously in a defensive lockdown. Your moves against me, Cabd, and Feg are suspect. Instead of providing logical reasoning for your moves or helping to provide plausible alternative votes, your defense (which you are a self-proclaimed expert in) is seriously lacking. You don't even provide a quote to support your misrepresentation of my use of you not posting a read list in the case against you. Your lack of posting a readlist (which you repeatedly promised) suggests that you were stalling. Other possibilities are that you had IRL issues and couldn't post because of them. There is no evidence to support the second possibility because you made plenty of posts otherwise. It would have taken you considerably less time to post a simple readlist (oh and you promised one before, during, and after the replacement of Darq) then the rest of your posts in-between promises. Cabd was initially suspicious to me for the same reason, however he claimed IRL issues (which you defended) and eventually delivered on his promises. You still have yet to deliver anything but excuses and a logical conclusion is that you have accepted the fact that you are going to be lynched and that you do not want to give the town information to use against your scum partner.

@JW, Gar
What are your thoughts on Guyett's drunk hammer? His explanation seems plausible, but Rhyx does raise some valid points.

TheGarantula · Post Post #585 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:15 am

I haven't had the chance to reread the thread yet due to the 4th of July and such. That said, Guyett you look worse with each post. The hammer itself was annoying at best, but how you've behaved s since then doesn't seem town.
VOTE: Guyett
You've been a fairly null read for most of the game, but right now you seem like the best bet. No one else has been floundering as constantly as you.

Sorry for not citing quotes but I'm on my phone. I'll look over the thread tonight/tomorrow and reevaluate everyone.

Guyett · Post Post #586 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:35 am

In post 585, TheGarantula wrote:I haven't had the chance to reread the thread yet due to the 4th of July and such.
That said, Guyett you look worse with each post.
The hammer itself was annoying at best, but how you've behaved s since then doesn't seem town.
VOTE: Guyett
You've been a fairly null read for most of the game, but right now you seem like the best bet. No one else has been floundering as constantly as you.

Sorry for not citing quotes but I'm on my phone. I'll look over the thread tonight/tomorrow and reevaluate everyone.

really? I've posted reads and tried to explain what happened from my pov last Friday morning. If you dont believe me there's nothing I can do otherwise but wait to be lynched. When I do flip town look at the people pushing hardest for my lynch.
FWIW I believe GM is scum and the other is either JW or Klick (who I'd like to hear from)
If Gar or Rhyx flip scum I will be shocked.

goodmorning · Post Post #587 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:55 am

In post 584, Derivan wrote:
goodmorning wrote: It would have taken you considerably less time to post a simple readlist (oh and you promised one before, during, and after the replacement of Darq) then the rest of your posts in-between promises.
I didn't promise a simple readslist. I promised an in-depth one.

You still have yet to deliver anything but excuses
Please go and actually read my posts, as you will find more content there than in your own.

a logical conclusion is that you have accepted the fact that you are going to be lynched and that you do not want to give the town information to use against your scum partner.

This is an incredibly stupid conclusion. I have interacted with everyone extensively. If I were Scum you'd have plenty of information to go partner-hunting with.
Besides which I prefer to WIFOM it out with the best of them (see my dying readslist in Newbie 1305).

@Guyett: Would it be possible for you to stop sheeping Deri for two seconds? Just because he's probconfTown doesn't mean that A. he's right or B. you should sheep him (or anyone else).

V/LA again, but I should be back by Saturday.

goodmorning · Post Post #588 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:56 am

Well those quote tags got messed up.

Guyett · Post Post #589 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:00 am

@Gm didn't you sheep on Cabd at the end of day 1?
also how am I sheeping? see my first post at the start of day 2...

Klick · Post Post #590 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:25 am

I'm sorry guys, I never posted in here and thus forgot about this game because it wasn't in my egosearch.

I'm busy with Marathon games right now, but I will get my thoughts in here soon.

Nobody Special · Post Post #591 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:00 am

Votecount 2.02

goodmorning - 2 - Guyett, Derivan
Guyett - 2 - JasonWazza, TheGarantula

Not Voting: ryhx, Klick, goodmorning

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-17 05:01:24)

Guyett · Post Post #592 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:26 am

Ok time for a few thoughts;

Spoiler: deri

Spoiler: Jason

There is no point in looking at klick yet and I'm heading to work in half an hour so I will continue my look back through the game after work.

I am still happy with my vote of GM and as it stands I think GM and Klick are scum (mainly based on Feg's play) but I am not ruling out Jason being scum

Deri - town
Gar - probably town
Rhyx - probably town
Jason - possibly scum
Klick - possibly scum
GM - probably scum

JasonWazza · Post Post #593 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:55 am

In post 592, Guyett wrote:
@Cabd, pointing out that Town Slip is scummy as fuck.
is off considering you posted this
Mafia have no reason to give people a town read (unless they plan to kill them) because it lowers the amount of people in their lynch pool.
in post 101. contradicting much?

Clearly you weren't paying attention, i do believe said town slip, was a town PR slip and pointing that out IS scummy and nothing to do with town reading someone.

Guyett · Post Post #594 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:44 am

Eh cabd posted this

In post 294, Cabd wrote:
In post 289, bestwillcui wrote:Wait, what happened to the server thing?

Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
TOWN
FUCKING
SLIP

So Jason I disagree with you here.. he pointed out that it was a town slip and you have decided to take it as a town PR slip.

JasonWazza · Post Post #595 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:51 am

In post 594, Guyett wrote:Eh cabd posted this
In post 294, Cabd wrote:
In post 289, bestwillcui wrote:Wait, what happened to the server thing?

Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
TOWN
FUCKING
SLIP
So Jason I disagree with you here.. he pointed out that it was a town slip and you have decided to take it as a town PR slip.

Your being dense right?

READ THE FUCKING CONTEXT

READ IT PROPERLY

the "breadcrumb" part is a Town PR (/scum trying to fake claim) slip him pointing it out is scummy HE IS NOT TOWN READING HIM BECAUSE OF THIS POST.

But keep attacking me with this misrep.

goodmorning · Post Post #596 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:50 pm

In post 589, Guyett wrote:@Gm didn't you sheep on Cabd at the end of day 1?

The other way around.

also how am I sheeping? see my first post at the start of day 2...

You've been sheeping others since long before D2. I fail to see what that post has to do with anything.

Guyett · Post Post #597 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:58 pm

The mafia are unhappy i 'm on to them.....

TheGarantula · Post Post #598 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:31 pm

V/LA (limited internet access) for a week, though I might be able to come on for a bit each day. I'll try to post thoughts and stay up to date though.

TheGarantula · Post Post #599 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:43 pm

Also, Guyett, your current thing with Jason is pedantic/stupid. If you're going to make a case against him
, then build a case, but this seems desperate and scummy. Town shouldn't grasp at straws, it won't effectively find scum.