Mini 1464 - Game Over

[NicCage]

Just realized I quoted Monkeyman in my post, though I was actually talking to daemon lol.

MM, that's silly.

Feel It, why did you think mvm was just trolling? Did that affect your read on him?

[NicCage]

Actually, no it must have. Which alignment did it make you lean towards?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Doesn't the scum having daychat make coaching in-thread useless? That really makes no sense.

This point is partially why I'm avoiding the Pitoliwagon; the irony is that if the daytalk thing WAS a scumslip then some of the reasons Pitoli was suspicious go away. In addition, it seems to me that the Pitoliwagon is largely (I acknowledge not entirely) built off of the assumption that Pitoli and mnemonic are scumbuddies. In cases like this, I never prefer to lynch the suspect that is merely linked to the scummier suspect.

NicCage is a fresh summer breeze compared to his predecessor. I would like him to be more specific about his feelings on Feel It; I find post #170 to be incredibly pro-town.

[NicCage]

I'll have to investigate my feelings before I can be specific about them. I overlooked post 170, I can see how it could lean town but why do you feel it is incredibly pro-town?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Assume that mnemonic actually is the doctor. Scum would either a) kill him tonight, or b) leave him alive and try to push a mislynch on the grounds that a real doctor, being unprotectable, would have been killed and therefore mnemonic is lying. By actually mentioning this possibility out loud, it makes it much less likely to actually happen. If Feel It is scum, he just unnecessarily limited his teams options for tonight/tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

Note: Infinity 324 replaces pitoli starting immediately.

[Infinity 324]

Hi guys, I agree that pitoli was scummy, but my role PM said I'm town, so :/

Actually I wouldn't be that opposed to my lynch because it would give lots of info

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I believe mnemonic's doc claim because newbs and PR's tend to be quite scummy. There's nothing condemning enough that he's said to make me want to lynch him.

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Toomai and 2birds are scumbuddies. Discuss.

VOTE: Toomai

[MonkeyMan576]

What info would lynching you give?

[Infinity 324]

Like that mnemonic is probably town and toomai is likely scum.

[NicCage]

Uh No? How does you being town make mne town?

I don't see any reason to believe that Toomai and 2birds are scum or scumbuddies.

[Infinity 324]

A lot of the case on mnemonic being scum is that I am his scum buddy; the rest of it can be explained by him being a newb and/or a PR.

I'll wait for others to weigh in on the toomai/2birds thing before explaining.

[Toomai]

Toomai and 2birds are scumbuddies.

I assume this stems from a conception that 2b1s was distancing from me with 33, 86, and 106, with some backing off in 123 and 139 to make a change of heart viable, followed by the 196 noncommittalance.

Perhaps he's scum for that (I have him as null right now, since 153 on looks town to me), but not with me.

[Infinity 324]

Hmm...this is interesting. Toomai guessed part of the reason I though he was scum with 2birds. The other reason I had them as scumbuddies makes it so that 2birds' actions don't really make sense with 2birds-scum toomai-town. This probably means they're both town, but I still get scumvibes from toomai...

I'll do some iso's before deciding whether to move my vote.

(btw, I'll wait for people to guess the other reason, though I doubt they will)

[NicCage]

A lot of the case on mnemonic being scum is that I am his scum buddy; the rest of it can be explained by him being a newb and/or a PR.

Really, I thought a lot of the case on you was that mne was YOUR scumbuddy, meaning that he is the individually scummy one. I don't think any of his behavior can be explained by being a PR, although there is a chance he is just being a big noob. Him being quiet now certainly doesn't look good.

[Infinity 324]

I iso'd 2birds; he gives me scumvibes too lol. Keeping my vote where it is for now.

@Niccage What I thought would happen was that you guys would lynch my slot so that you wouldn't have to lynch the doc claim unless I flipped scum; in this case it would make sense for you guys not to lynch mnemonic if I flip town. Also personally I thought pitoli was scummier, but maybe that's just me.

[Infinity 324]

Zhero is another possible scum due to low content but trying to look like he's scumhunting.

[Infinity 324]

Daemon gives me weird vibes--enough to make him more likely scum than zhero, in my eyes.

[2birds1stone]

Doesn't the scum having daychat make coaching in-thread useless? That really makes no sense.

This point is partially why I'm avoiding the Pitoliwagon; the irony is that if the daytalk thing WAS a scumslip then some of the reasons Pitoli was suspicious go away. In addition, it seems to me that the Pitoliwagon is largely (I acknowledge not entirely) built off of the assumption that Pitoli and mnemonic are scumbuddies. In cases like this, I never prefer to lynch the suspect that is merely linked to the scummier suspect.

First up, mnemonic is a terrible lynch for obvious reasons; while I agree with you in general, sometimes you just have to test the waters.

Second up, you're right in calling out the coaching thing as bullshit, but the soft-defence and refusal to take a stand on mnemonic is still enough to make the lynch worthwhile. Pitoli is also scummy in her own right from #165 (seriously, there isn't anything right about this post).

Infinity's come to a reasonable conclusion (I see how early-Toomai push looks like distancing), but is unfortunately wrong.

@Infinity

, explain the daytalk slip. You pointed out that newb PRs sometimes pick up the misguided idea that they should lurk/blend in/etc. and therefore appear scummy, but I haven't heard anything from you regarding daytalk.

[Infinity 324]

The daytalk slip was probably because he didn't know better and didn't pay much attention to it in his first game. Ftr, I don't think that mnemonic believes that he should blend in, more like he's trying too hard not to get lynched and therefore he looks scummy.

[Infinity 324]

Which on second thought is basically what you said.

By the way here's a really scummy post by daemon I apparently didn't notice before

Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.

[Feel It]

Just realized I quoted Monkeyman in my post, though I was actually talking to daemon lol.

MM, that's silly.

Feel It, why did you think mvm was just trolling? Did that affect your read on him?

His posts were just not serious and pissing about. I consider it a null tell.

[Feel It]

The daytalk slip was probably because he didn't know better and didn't pay much attention to it in his first game. Ftr, I don't think that mnemonic believes that he should blend in, more like he's trying too hard not to get lynched and therefore he looks scummy.

Well yeah, but if he IS the doctor it's viable that he doesn't want to get lynched day 1 as well, no? It's not that scummy to me. It's more his general play and claiming so early that makes me suspicious.

[Infinity 324]

^^ Yes, that's my point, that's why I have townread on mnemonic. The early claim and general play can be explained by noobishness.

[Daemon385]

A lot of the case on mnemonic being scum is that I am his scum buddy; the rest of it can be explained by him being a newb and/or a PR.

Really, I thought a lot of the case on you was that mne was YOUR scumbuddy, meaning that he is the individually scummy one. I don't think any of his behavior can be explained by being a PR, although there is a chance he is just being a big noob.

Him being quiet now certainly doesn't look good.

Him being a noob or not claiming a PR role and then just letting it sit as is without more effort looks bad in my eyes as well. To me it just shows a quick way out and then watching the fall out. Which still has me suspicious of his claim.

[Daemon385]

Daemon gives me weird vibes--enough to make him more likely scum than zhero, in my eyes.

Which on second thought is basically what you said.

By the way here's a really scummy post by daemon I apparently didn't notice before

Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.

Can you explain to us weird vibes, my likely hood of being scummier then Zhero, as well as how what I said looks scummy?