NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Rena · Post Post #4675 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:13 am

OMGUS isn't a scumtell.

Rena · Post Post #4676 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:14 am

In post 4674, Slandaar wrote:How is Rena still alive?

I have a multivitamin everyday.

ISO · Post Post #4677 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:30 am

You being scum, on the other hand, is a marvelous scumtell

ISO · Post Post #4678 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:31 am

(Also, omgus can be a scumtell, depending, and in this case, with these wagons where they are, I think it is. There's also the aspect where you're scum so I tend to interpret additional actions as scum motivated)

mastin2 · Post Post #4679 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:29 pm

One-Hundred-Thirteenth Votecount

:

(Forty-Sixth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Distracted, so accuracy of votecount may be lowered; let me know if I made an oversight." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9, Bacde)

Rena - 3 (Slandaar, ffullisade, Cephrir)

Slandaar - 3 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Rena)
Nero Cain - 2 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Desperado)

All votes are in play.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Bubazak

would be lynched.

Bulbazak and Rena are V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 187, post 4652.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

mastin2 · Post Post #4680 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:34 pm

Less than a day remains until deadline. Speak now, or forever hold your pieces.

Rena · Post Post #4681 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:05 pm

In post 4678, Cephrir wrote:(Also, omgus can be a scumtell, depending, and in this case, with these wagons where they are, I think it is. There's also the aspect where you're scum so I tend to interpret additional actions as scum motivated)

If you're planning on fake claiming cop, it wont work. Insane cop is not a normal role.

Rena · Post Post #4682 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:08 pm

And no, OMGUS is not a scumtell. I was asked to choose 1 of the top 3 wagons to vote and decided to do so because my vote was just hanging there being useless. I am not feeling a Bulz lynch will do any good, I'm not self voting and that left Slandaar who has given me a reason to vote for him which I have previously discussed.

ISO · Post Post #4683 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:20 pm

I like how you leap to the conclusion that I'm a cop with a guilty on you.

Your reason for voting Slandaar appears to be that he hasn't explained something that he literally did explain. There is an at least passable case being built on him, but you've got this shit non-reason with 188 pages of thread. Have you even read the cases against Nero and Seanald?

ffullisade · Post Post #4684 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:21 pm

Why the fuck is bulba in the lynch lead?

- f

Desperado · Post Post #4685 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:31 pm

Beat me. Lets lynch thad

Bulbazak · Post Post #4686 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:51 pm

In post 4667, Slandaar wrote:He is arguing there can't be 2 bluescum in the hoods because
Because it would be unbalanced
and give them an advantage over both town and the other team
.
It would be unfair on poor redscum.

And how could he know that?

I said that either scum team having more than one scum in neighborhoods would be

unbalanced

, which is key, especially since this game was reviewed so many times. I also was not putting emphasis on the other scum team, seeing as how I also mentioned how it would disadvantage town as well. Funny how you conveniently skipped that.

In post 4670, Bacde wrote:VOTE: bulba

lets do this

Thanks for admitting that you're buddies with Slandaar.

@ Cephrir & Desperado: Both of your lynches are bad and are not happening today. Come join me on Slandaar-scum.

Also wanted to announce that the computer issues have finally been straightened out.

@Mod: I am no longer V/LA on weekends.

penguin_alien · Post Post #4687 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:04 pm

Blech, I'd rather lynch ThAdmiral than Bulbazak, although Seanald is preferable to both. Bulbazak's implying that there couldn't be more than one red scum among the neighborhoods is unsettling, though. Bulbazak, why is it not feasible to have two scum-town neighborhoods and one scum-scum neighborhood, for example? Or even two scum-scum neighborhoods? Given that we don't know the complete set-up, why are you so certain that is unbalanced?

Bulbazak · Post Post #4688 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:18 pm

In post 4687, penguin_alien wrote:Blech, I'd rather lynch ThAdmiral than Bulbazak, although Seanald is preferable to both. Bulbazak's implying that there couldn't be more than one red scum among the neighborhoods is unsettling, though. Bulbazak, why is it not feasible to have two scum-town neighborhoods and one scum-scum neighborhood, for example? Or even two scum-scum neighborhoods? Given that we don't know the complete set-up, why are you so certain that is unbalanced?

Putting more than 1 scum from a scum team into the various neighborhoods shifts the balance of power in favor of that team. Given the number of people that reviewed this game, I'm assuming that the distribution of roles in neighborhoods was already determined before the game began. Therefore, 1 scum team will not have more members in a neighborhood than the other team.

I've ruled out scum-scum neighborhoods via PoE. I've come to accept that ThAd is probably the vig., and Desperado's posts as of late have me reading him as town, not to mention my townread of CTD. This means that there is at least 1 town in every neighborhood. That would leave 2 scum in Slandaar, PV, and Seanald. Cephrir said that PV is unlikely to be scum due to ThAd being a killing role, and I agree, as that'd put 1 killing role in every neighborhood (balance). This leaves Slandaar and Seanald as scum from different teams. Slandaar's slip has led from this being theoretical to practical. I say that we lynch Slandaar today, Seanald tomorrow, and then work from there.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4689 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:39 pm

Hate you all

VOTE: Slandaar

we better be going after Khan tomorrow

ThAdmiral · Post Post #4690 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:15 pm

In post 4639, Desperado wrote:^He says he copy/pasted from an earlier page, but as you can see above he added Nero and myself to his town list. It was clearly meant to be updated list, and it hadn't even been ten posts since he told Bulb not to direct his night action. I don't buy it.

Notice how your names are both at the end? Yeah, that's because I added you and didn't edit the stuff that was already there. Pretty simple really.

In post 4681, Rena wrote:
In post 4678, Cephrir wrote:(Also, omgus can be a scumtell, depending, and in this case, with these wagons where they are, I think it is. There's also the aspect where you're scum so I tend to interpret additional actions as scum motivated)
If you're planning on fake claiming cop, it wont work. Insane cop is not a normal role.

WTF is this?

This is like a scumclaim.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4691 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:18 pm

Was going to make another last-ditch effort to get Nero-scum lynched, but clearly that ship has sailed. I'm

very

certain he is scum and the evidence is all there. Lynch him tomorrow.

Strongly dislike most of Bulba's arguments against Slandaar, particularly the "4 scum per team" argument:

In post 4607, Bulbazak wrote:The typical scum to town ratio is 1:3, which would make the number of scum in this game 6. Using that logic, there would be 3 scum per team in a multiball situation, which we seem to be in. However, you assume that there is 4.
The only way I could see anyone coming to this conclusion is if they were on a scum team and knew that there were 4 players on the team
, which means that they would anticipate 8 scum. Therefore, your statement stating that there are 4 on each team is a scumslip.

So the only way Bulba can make sense of the situation is that Slandaar is himself on a 4-man scum team. But if that is his suspicion, why then is it impossible for a pro-town player (i.e. Slandaar) to make the assumption that we are dealing with 4-man scum teams? It's a completely illogical and circular argument and so far removed from being a scumslip it's not even funny.

He then went on to argue that it's better for town to assume the best-case scenario of 3-man scumteams, which is a highly debatable theory stance at best, but the implication was that only scum would take the worst-case scenario approach, and that simply doesn't hold any water.

I personally haven't put much thought into into the make-up of scumteams, as I don't think it's terribly relevant at this point, and likely to be counter-productive (several people have made arguments along the line of "X is scum but not on the team I want to lynch from", which to me just reads like a bogus excuse not to pursue scummy people). Fact is that scum:town ratios are not set in stone and can be balanced by the power-level of the town. This line of attack is completely cooked up.

I have my own reservations about Slandaar. I think his play today has been noticeably different from the first 2 days, he's been a much less forceful presence and I strongly disagree with several of his reads. I do not however see this as a strong indication of him being scum in itself and no one has pointed out any actions of his that clearly read as scum-motivated to my knowledge. Balance speculation wrt to the neighborhoods should come into consideration, but not before we actually

know

anything solid based on flips. Bulba's case against Slandaar is all assumptions, some of which don't make sense to me. If he was doubtful of ThAd's claim before, I don't see what happened to change his mind, and he's basing a whole string of arguments on this (ThAd vig -> PV not a killing role because "balance" -> two scum total in the other neighborhoods -> not CTD -> Slandaar scum). I get the strong impression that he's tailoring his assumptions to the desired conclusion, and not the other way around.

Lastly, I agree that Bulba's "two blue neighbors would be unfair to red" looks like a slip. He's tried to play it down by stating that "unfair to town" was his main point and "unfair to red" merely a balance after-thought, but i really don't think that fairness between scum-teams should ever enter a town-player's mind at all.

Unvote, vote: Bulbazak

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4692 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:25 pm

In post 4690, ThAdmiral wrote:Notice how your names are both at the end? Yeah, that's because I added you and didn't edit the stuff that was already there. Pretty simple really.

Ever the delightful mystery you are:

In post 4065, ThAdmiral wrote:Will not lynch:

pere

cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade

In post 4503, ThAdmiral wrote:quite a few actually:

peregrine

cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade
nero
desp

Pretty simple indeed.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4693 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:34 pm

In post 4688, Bulbazak wrote:Cephrir said that PV is unlikely to be scum due to ThAd being a killing role, and I agree, as that'd put 1 killing role in every neighborhood (balance).

Two things...

Where is it written that all neighborhoods must be "balanced" against each other? You're making the assumption that mirroring is the only way to balance a single aspect of a game setup, and even then you're leaving out possible ideas (say.. one neighborhood is a red/blue pairing). mastin2 has been a player and a mod for a long time and can certainly balance a PR heavier Scum Team A with Scum Team B having a say in who the vig targets.

Second, PeregrineV's contributions to the game have been nothing but surface-level "scum-hunting".

P.Edit - Damn, CrashTextDummie is rocking it.

Slandaar · Post Post #4694 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:32 am

Rena is still alive? lol. How is it possible?

In post 4669, Rena wrote: Slandaar never answered why he is contradicting his own read on me.

Hey Guys! I have read the thread now and Slandaar didn't respond to me so I am going to vote him!

In post 4631, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4571, Rena wrote: Slandaar contradicted himself in post 4444 he refers to me as the town watcher and then puts me at the top of his scumlist in post 4557. Which is it? I could definitely see Cephir as scum.
Good point, why didn't you vote me?

Oh Wait...

(It wasn't a good point I was clearly not being serious about Rena being town in 4444)

What? Where did this come from??! I swear I read the thread!!!

No! I have opinions on other things too! I just didn't mention them yet I will get right on that!

In post 4681, Rena wrote: If you're planning on fake claiming cop, it wont work. Insane cop is not a normal role.

If Ceph claimed cop guilty on me he would have a legitimate result because I am investigated as scum! But he would be fake claiming! oh definitely a fakeclaim!

---

Here is my wagon broken down

PV: I am voting Slandar because he has caught me.
Bulbazak: I am voting Slandaar because lol 4 scum. I make lots of assumptions too that make no sense but 4 scum? die.
Rena: Gotta save my buddy Bulbazak! Hope noone looks into my reasoning though! Also Slandaar has caught me.
AK: Well Gotta get rid of Slandaar he caught 2 of my buddies and Me!

Sums up things adequately.

And somehow Rena isn't being lynched today, its just ridiculous.

Desperado · Post Post #4695 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:00 am

In post 4690, ThAdmiral wrote:Notice how your names are both at the end? Yeah, that's because I added you and didn't edit the stuff that was already there. Pretty simple really.

No, it isn't simple. You added us to the end with the thought process of "I'm gonna update my town reads." Not even ten posts earlier you had started to consider Bulb as scum. I understand that you just. don't. give. a. shit. but I don't understand how it wouldn't occur to town-you to take Bulb out of your townpile. This reads like a lame excuse.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4696 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:02 am

No, I agree with Bulb here. I don't really buy Slandaar's excuse that "we should assume the maximum amount of scum" + Scumthez already speculated on there being "7-8 scum"

+ there's atleast one scum in the neighborhoods and Slandaar makes a good bet. CTD might be scum afterall. He's ignoring discussing his neighborhood big time.

vote:Slandaar

Khan
Slandaar

ThAdmiral · Post Post #4697 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:03 am

In post 4692, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 4690, ThAdmiral wrote:Notice how your names are both at the end? Yeah, that's because I added you and didn't edit the stuff that was already there. Pretty simple really.
Ever the delightful mystery you are:

In post 4065, ThAdmiral wrote:Will not lynch:

pere

cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade

In post 4503, ThAdmiral wrote:quite a few actually:

peregrine

cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade
nero
desp
Pretty simple indeed.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nero Cain · Post Post #4698 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:19 am

In post 4648, Nero Cain wrote:2. Cephrir
3. Nachomam8
6. Bacde
7. Bulbazak
10. Slandaar
13. Rena
14. Kublai Khan

no, Despo, you and Thad can shove it 'cause that list is awesome.

Cephir is probs red scum hunting the blue.
KK is probs scum. His "I'm defending Slandaar from you" yet he was defending Slandaar before I attacked him is pants on head.
Nacho is just liar scum.
Slandaar probs slipped its an 7 or 8 man mafia.
Rena is coasting scum.
Bacde is playing different and he's now coasting on his town cred. + I don't like the way Nacho is treating him as town while calling me scum for doing the same/similar thing he did.
Bulb may know that Slan slipped 'cause he too is on a 4 man scum team. + His trying to argue that I "deflected" is by far the stupidest thing I've read on this site.

So yea, its a good list.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4699 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:19 am

So good I posted it twice.

<<< And I deleted one of them. Sorry. >>>