The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[macmollie]

also metal did you say who your character name was cos I don't remember

[Nexus]

Fucking hell Reck. Keep up. Make it at least look like you give a shit.

[xRECKONERx]

sorry I'm not keeping up with an internet forum mafia game when I have real life shit going down, my bad, I'll make sure it doesn't happen any more, real life be damned

in any case, I didn't realize KA had been replaced, and I just went and skimmed and saw it was Metal Sonic that faked the dayvig and he did it at a really opportunistic time imo so ill move there

vote metalsonic

[Desperado]

sorry I'm not keeping up with an internet forum mafia game when I have real life shit going down, my bad, I'll make sure it doesn't happen any more, real life be damned

[xRECKONERx]

Holy shit, another Raleigh scummer?

[Nachomamma8]

hey dummy, I am not pissed at all you fucking tard if you read the goddamn thread I have been saying that I could see you being town. stop being a pansy-assed drama queen and pay attention plz.

mollie, you sound a little upset!

[Cabd]

I'm having madoka feels right now but ill be online much later tonight. Like... Midnight West Coast or so.

[Metal Sonic]

^so is lazy MS

except Ms is lazy more of the time than Venmar

also mollie, I have a 3rd completed game that you missed, i flipped town

nobody should ever read it if they have a weak heart

if you are already calling me scum and get pissed off at this stage already then you really should never read that, you will die of a heart attack

mollie its called: Mainstream Mafia

if you think this game was "insulting" then that game will be a horror movie/SAW

will make my wall on generic tomorrow when I get time to slack off

it takes like an hour to two so yeah

hey dummy, I am not pissed at all you fucking tard if you read the goddamn thread I have been saying that I could see you being town. stop being a pansy-assed drama queen and pay attention plz.

I don't remember you at all in mainstream prolly cos I completely gave up on d1 when town would not lynch scummy as fuck jason. any other site I play he would have been lynched in 5 minutes his timing is always like the worst thing ever but then no one on this site even knows what the fuck I am talking about when I say "timing". besides we were culted n1 so then I was really not that interested and made majiffy do all the work.

if you are town I suggest you start working towards your wc and try to work with your town reads. your 1 man lone ranger act is just making people want to lynch you and generating a bunch of noise. and I am not sure anyone is buying your day vig claim personally I think you are full of shit and you will have to use it in this day round or you will be nked cos if anybody wastes a doc protect on you I will personally beat the crap out of them.

hth

I was referring to the losers that get pissed so easily aka: CDB, Generic etc

they should not read it they will get a heart attack

mollie its a horror movie

[ChannelDelibird]

Should mention that marathon weekend is going to continue to distract the shit out of me.

More people should vote my scumreads and I'll hop on.

[Dekes]

Oh gods, this game again.

So, I thought, I'd change my strategy, take a look at the main wagons, vote the nicer looking one and go from there. However, both leading wagons look gods awful.

VOTE: Desperado

I'm not sure whether I read any post of him, but sheeping Tierce seems like a good place for now.

Yes, I'm well aware of my uselessness thus far in this game and that this isn't my usual play style (lurky yes, lazy no). I could make some promises now, but you may put up with this for a while longer until I get this thing sorted out (or it gets sorted out by itself by losing some of the more annoying players).

[Metal Sonic]

I believe that Generic is scum. This is because he posts multiple fluff, sheeps onto the easiest wagons, and provides minimal to the scumhunt.
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Generic is scum because he has an extremely large amount of fluff posts. Fluff posts are scummy because they make the user seem like contributing when they are actually providing nothing new or of value to the discussion, therefore not actually contributing.

A handful. Why does it make you unvote? We've kept a lot more.

They were unrelated incidents. I had voted for fun, I pulled it ready for my next vote to be for more legitimate reasons. Nothing more.

This post is created during the RVS voting period. "Voted for fun" implies that Generic made his previous vote and unvote on Nacho as a random RVS votes. This is significant as it informs us that Generic is not very eager to scumhunt and is more content with staying in RVS which does not benefit the town.

And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

This post is created when Generic had received multiple votes on him due to his previous post as above. "A down day and I now am lead wagon " suggests that Generic is "happy" to be a lead wagon. However, this is impossible as a reaction coming from town, as town would not be happy to get wagoned Day 1. The excessive use of smiley in the post imply that Generic is indeed nervous and worried due to the wagon, and his attempt to brush it off or not to seem affected by the excessive use of "happy" smilies only seeks to prove this further. Generic is extremely nervous and anxious and his attempt to hide this suggests that he is the scum. It is good to note that Generic rarely uses smileys in any point of this game, and this is one of the only unusual occurances.

Tierce has picked up on something I hadn't noticed actually about apple, in that the explaining away of how he is perceived came from no actual need to explain anything. It was more a paranoia of being perceived as scummy and an explanation back to being town through it.

Apple, right now who are your top three suspects for mafia?

This post is scummy because Generic attempts to pass off a scumread on Apple without contributing anything in particular. "Tierce has picked up on something I hadn't noticed about apple" suggests that Generic is attempting to view apple as scum, just purely by using Tierce's logic, also known as sheeping. This implies that Generic wishes to find an excuse to place a vote on KA, the easiest lynch at that time, while not contributing any views of his own. Additionally, the following statements as "justification" for his "scumread" is extremely vague and generic, which seems like a quick and fast way to contribute his "justification" on his following KillerApple vote when in actuality not contributing.

Additionally, he goes on with an extremely redundant and easy-to-make question which goes "who are your top three suspects for mafia?" This question to the current wagon-at-hand is contentless and easy to generate. It can clearly be seen that Generic did not put any thought at all into his question to KA, which shows that Generic was posting fluff. His attempt to make it sound like a question implies that Generic is trying to appear to contribute, however in actuality his contributions are contentless.

Generic is scum because he posts mainly fluff which serves as him pretending to contribute.

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Generic is scum because he sheeps the easiest wagons simply by relying on the cases that others make. He adds his vote to any wagon which forms traction and hopefully results in a mislynch for him. He never actually provides cases or justification for his votes but actually goes "hey this case is good lets follow it" or "hey a is right lets vote him!", which is a scum who is very willing to mislynch.

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

This post is said when Generic puts his vote onto KA who is the easiest lynch at that time. "The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with" implies that Generic is merely riding on the cases provided by others against KA and is blindly or purposely following their vote on what seems to be an easy mislynch. This shows that KA is extremely opportunistic and is only willing to lynch a player when his wagon has gained enough traction. Furthermore, this is very significant as it shows Generic is unable to come up with his own reads or justification for his votes and instead has to rely on the cases of others "reckoner's case... Tierce's case..." in order to vote.

Hey, Generic.

The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Oi.

Have mercy on the non-native, my English curled up in horror halfway through this. Can you rephrase it?

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Venmar

Amrun--what games have you played with Nacho before?

What do you want from me? If someone just says "player Xis town" and doesn't given any reason why I find it cockiness/arrogance/self sure on a high scale. It's like saying they don't need to say anymore be ause it should be obvious, but that hides potentially having no case at all for it and the only reason to be able to say it is they already know who is town... And only one type of player knows that for certain.

This post is scummy because Generic refuses to provide his reads or opinion on "player X is town". "What do you want from me?" implies that Generic is absolutely unable to come up with reasons whatsoever to protect his views or his stance, and requires additional prompting before being able to do so. This shows that Generic is confused on what is expected of him and how he needs to act in order to not get questioned again. This post is very significant because town would have been able to give reasons or a defense immediately and straight away, and should be a natural reaction. However, Generic does not even know how to react in a townish manner, and thus has to narrow down his response or be asked a specific question so that he can tailor his response in order to look "towny".

Apologies for this lazy request, but since I've been a bit out of the loop over the weekend, can someone briefly summarise the case against metal sonic?

It appears to have some momentum and I'm intrigued as to why.

Otherwise when I have time later I will Iso his posts and see for myself.

I'm here, sorry I was reading through your very good case for metal. I was about to post a larger reasoning behind this but then I read metals responses and thought'he ain't bothering, why should I?'

unvote,
Vote:metal sonic

A good point was raised about apple, after that very dodgy set of posts he kept clearly scumhunting in the middle of that wagon on him. Much more pro town attitude, and metal seems to think he can coast abusively and offer nothing to the hunt.

These posts are

very

scummy because Generic is very interested in the newest wagon on Metal Sonic and is very eager to see a "case on him" so as to sheep it and say that "his case is very good". "It appears to have some momentum and I'm intrigued as to why" implies that Generic is very interested solely on the momentum or traction on another player's wagon, amongst all things. This shows that Generic is very opportunistic as he looks at a player's votecount to determine if it is a good lynch, instead of their actions. Furthermore, this shows that he has not been reading the game. "Can someone briefly summarise the case" implies that Generic is not willing to read or create his own opinion on metal sonic, however instead wishes to look at another player's opinion and agree wholeheartedly with it. This is shown in the next post "sorry but I was reading your very good case for metal", which is very significant because it tells us that Generic is absolutely not interested in reading metal sonic at all, and he does not explicitly point out anything spectacular or significant detail about the case at all which he "agrees with", instead just being vague and generic with "that very good case". In such circumstances, there is no evidence to show that Generic even read the case at all, and it could have been possible that he skimmed the wall of text and proclaimed it "very good", as it does not show any content knowledge of the said "case".

The extremely scummy point of Generic's post is "I was about to post larger reasoning against metal sonic" "why should I?". Generic is following consistent behaviour which is calling a case on a player with a large wagon "very good" and voting them, without providing any reasoning AT ALL as to his vote. He is incapable of contributing to the town and it can be seen that he is not interested in the players' actions at all, and is only interested in the traction of their wagon.

Generic is scum because he sheeps on the easiest wagons possible, coasts on the cases other players have made while there is circumstancial evidence to show that he did not read them at all, and also refuses to justify his votes and reasoning at all.

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Generic is scum because he does not contribute to scumhunting at all. He is not interested in lynching scum in the game, which is an extremely large scumtell because scum are his friends.

Actually Generic, I thought about it and BROseidon is town. 80% of the time when people post scummy things D1 they are town. And my D1 reads are usually off for scum. Currently scanning to see who is deserving of a vote. It amazes me how town you are though.

It is a good point you make about town seeming scummier day 1, Town players are less interested in loose comments in posts as their mind is on the scum hunt, so I see a logic there.
But your flip flopping opinions are not only here to decipher but also aren't helping your defence. Just when I think you might be explaining something you almost have a mini implosion and one out with something that isn't in line with the things you said recently before.

And if the last bit of that paragraph was aimed at me I'm not sure if that was a compliment or shock :p

This post is scummy because Generic provides vague and irrelevant opinions which does not specifically correspond to any player in the game. "I have theorised a good scum player will always be more pro town in early gameplay than a stage townies." implies that Generic has scumhunting methods of his own and he shows them to pretend to contribute. However, he is not being specific on any player and is just saying it for the sake of saying it. This shows that Generic is unwilling to provide opinions or reads on the players in the game, which is scummy because it will incriminate his hypothetical teammates.

wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

If you see my join date you will understand how much my knowledge of mafiascum is lacking :p

I'm not new to mafia at all, just dot hints slightly differently to you guys I guess. I like to scum read rather than town read, so I look for the worst in people rather than the best in them.

Your veteran status then bothers me that you have been as loose with your comments, but then again your lack of caring how you come across feels more genuine than some. You are 50:50.

This post was a reply to Amrun regarding Generic's their experience in mafia. "I like to scum read rather than town read, so I look for the worst in people rather than the best in them." implies that Generic is better at scumreading players rather than townreading them. However, this is contradictory as Generic has never provided any "scumreads" of his own at any point of the game, barring "this case is very good". At no point of the game does Generic post his reads on any player at all, despite him posting a multitude of theory such as "A good mafia player can look more town than a bad town player can scumslip if that makes sense." Going by his theories which he has outlined in thread, it would make sense that Generic would garner a scumread or two of his own. Despite this, he always asks for the "cases" on the easiest wagons and goes "I agree with this case". This is unnatural; Generic has shown knowledge on how to scumread yet does not do it. Instead of "I voted because think this player is scummy because of x,y, and z", which can be based off upon his many theories described in-thread, he goes "I voted because the case on him is good". This is not the way a town player will act, and the fact that he is not providing reads even though he is fully capable of doing so only proves one thing: He is refusing to provide reads. This is significant as it means that Generic is actively reluctant to help the town hunt scum while "pretending to be helpful", which cannot possibly in a town mindset. By not providing reads, Generic is working towards his hypothetical scum wincon and does not wish to incriminate his hypothetical teammates.


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In conclusion, Generic is definitely the scum due to his large amount of fluff posting, which makes him seem like a contributor without actually doing so, his mindless sheeping of large wagons, where he is most interested on the traction of the wagon and less on providing reads on the players, and not contributing to an active scumhunt, where it can be seen that Generic never provides any scum or townreads at all during the game and actively reluctant to help the town despite being aware of how to do so.

[Metal Sonic]

2669 words. minus quotes its 1.5k i guess

i took 1 and half hours to write this complete detailed analysis which is for AP Literature and I get A for my essays all the time


Generic is definitely the scum after doing this thorough analysis and all you town players must vote him

[Nexus]

vla for the weekend.

[BROseidon]

Sorry guys I just don't have time for this game with how busy I am and the other games I have going on.

@Mod please replace me out. Sorry for the inconvenience Andy

[macmollie]

hey dummy, I am not pissed at all you fucking tard if you read the goddamn thread I have been saying that I could see you being town. stop being a pansy-assed drama queen and pay attention plz.

mollie, you sound a little upset!

lookit you try

[macmollie]

also metal did you say who your character name was cos I don't remember

and also does your vig kill end the day round? <---- this is pretty important and I would like to know

[Venmar]

Page 28 is hereby renamed the Tsunami Invasion.

[Venmar]

Nexus obviously won't stick as a lynch for today,

Therefore:

Vote: Amrun

[Andrius]

VoteCount

Metal Sonic [4] - Amrun, AurorusVox, Generic, xReckonerx
Cabd [2] - Ankamius, macmollie
Dekes [2] - Nachomamma8, tsunami
Amrun [2] - ChannelDelibird, Venmar
Desperado [2] - Tierce, Dekes
Nexus [1] - Desperado
Generic [1] - Metal Sonic
xReckonerx [1] - Cabd

Not Voting [2] - Nexus, BROseidon

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline will be July 9th 2013, 4:00pm PST.

Cabd will be V/LA July 4-7.
BROseidon has requested replacement. Am 80% sure I have one, just waiting for a response.

[Metal Sonic]

mollie

it does not end the day round,

and i did not say my character name at all so you did not miss anything

read my essay and vote generic

[xRECKONERx]

Holy shit I am not reading walls

[macmollie]

mollie

it does not end the day round,

and i did not say my character name at all so you did not miss anything

read my essay and vote generic

I am not reading it until you give me your character name

also, who are you thinking of vigging

in other news I am amazed at what you guys let nacho get away with as scum on this site.

[Metal Sonic]

Holy shit I am not reading walls

ok then, dont read my essay and still vote generic

mollie, if lynch on generic does not go through i will have to shoot him but that will waste my shot

my name is metal sonic

[Metal Sonic]

just copy and paste and press submit

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[vote]Generic[/vote]

here i done it for you

[xRECKONERx]

Holy shit I am not reading walls

ok then, dont read my essay and still vote generic

mollie, if lynch on generic does not go through i will have to shoot him but that will waste my shot

my name is metal sonic

why