Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

You really think that Demon is scum and he doesn't have a buddy on his wagon?

So do you think its just a two-man team with a dreamwalk SK?

[Selkies]

You really think that Demon is scum and he doesn't have a buddy on his wagon?

No, I doubt that. But I don't see how you figure me for his buddy. I'm the one who wanted votes on him so he'd fucking claim. I redirected him on himself because over night 2 orcinus and I decided he was our top pick for scum. I can see thinking that we are scum and are trying to force a mislynch on demon. I cannot see how you'd conclude we could be scumbuddies.

So do you think its just a two-man team with a dreamwalk SK?

No, I don't.

[Cephrir]

Empking replaces Demon. Deadline will be pushed back to July 10th, 11:59 PM.

[Belisarius]

So do you think its just a two-man team with a dreamwalk SK?

Luc/Isam?

I'm thinking a Lanfear or Moghedien is more likely, though.

[Nero Cain]

No, I doubt that. But I don't see how you figure me for his buddy. I'm the one who wanted votes on him so he'd fucking claim. I redirected him on himself because over night 2 orcinus and I decided he was our top pick for scum. I can see thinking that we are scum and are trying to force a mislynch on demon. I cannot see how you'd conclude we could be scumbuddies.

So...who is the scumbuddy? Iece? GCBC?

have no clue what your post means, Beli.

[Selkies]

We are leaning GCBC but it's not a strong lean right now. The stuff about not finding us on N2 could have been a set-up to get us mislynched. If it's a set up, it could have worked if not for the inventor/A'Dam/redirect stuff.

[Empking]

Vote: Mara

I agree with Nero, and I also think it'd make sense if there was a permanent scum presence in the dream QT (which would obviously be Mara)

[Ms Marangal]

also, swords yes. I can still read the QT, I still have access to it though I don't think I'm allowed to say anything specific about it

You can talk about it, you just can't quote from it....
What type of questions did demon ask you guys…and what did he tell you about himself?

So 2 full-fledged doctors, huh?

Demon asked if we were town and asked why we were there that night and He didn't give us any information about himself.

[Ms Marangal]

And Nero, I wasn't lying about thinking that you were answering a question posed for me, I actually did believe that you answered the question Swords asked me because I didn't see the one he posed towards you

then I read back, and saw the question and it rings alarms.

You don't die when you protect someone, but you're a body-guard?

and then, you weren't surprised that there were several "commuters" in this game, along with a different type of commuter AND THEN you weren't surprised about a second doctor being in this game?

none of this adds up Nero

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 3.5

Empking 3

(Iecerint, Selkies, GoodCop_BadCop)

Ms Marangal 2

(Nero Cain, Empking)

Nero Cain 1

(Ms Marangal)

Not Voting 2

(sword_of_omens, Belisarius)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 3 will be Monday, July 10th, 11:59 PM.

[Nero Cain]

You aren't blond so no, I don't think you are that ditzy. What did you think was all that writing with question marks? Die liar scum.

I don't know the setup. BTW, Emp was the one that ran the mini game with two cops. So there's no reason to go "OHH U SKUM 'CAUSE WE CAN'T HAS 2 "DOCS"".

I don't die WHEN I protect someone, I die when the end of the next day.

[sword_of_omens]

Mara,

why would you ask this question specifically?

yesterday, you that there are forsaken who could enter the dream-world? are any of them female with the capability to kill?

Considering Ghost is dead, and Demon's character is male...

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm not sure why we aren't lynching Demon/Empking.

There is a shroud of conflicting reveals/actions/targets that we really should be lynching from Selkies/Empking/GCBC. Although a lot of what has been going on has been speculated to be because of "flavor", I think that if all parties were claiming truth, it would be a whole lot easier to sort out then it has been. After reading, and re-reading it

still

doesn't make sense.

I don't like how Selkies uses mod convo as a crutch to try and side-step inconsistencies as well as how his target claim

after

Demon said he RB'ed me would still discredit my results:

One more thing.

I knew I needed to check another PM.

When I received the a'Dan I was told that it works on One Powers only.

Would the roleblock be a One Power?

There is nothing in my PM Q&A about the a'Dan that mentions a gender restriction.

Going back through the PM convos

I did find that the redirect would fail if a player is not allowed to target themselves as well as it only working on One Powers.

"OP" = One Power?

What is missing from demon's flavor claim?

I went back to check the PM from the mod about our night one action.

We were told that we tried to dream about ThAd but couldn't. We assumed the fail was due to his commuting, but hell if I understand the flavor reasons why dreaming about him would or woudln't fail.

I also don't see town-motivation from Demon's late timing and his reveal.

We claim our role.
Demon makes a post refusing to claim first.

If he were town, and willing to mass claim, why wait and let the Selkies vs GCBC arguement keep going when he "knew" that he role-blocked me and that it would confirm/validify my role and my results?

If he were scum, him waiting to claim would allow me to continue to tunnel Selkies and let me continue to think he was lying. It would also allow Selkies to maintain a pessimistic view and read like what happened here.

I wanted to try and fool scum some kinda way and then when SOO asked me I figured well, I figured if I did block a kill and then didn't die it might be too suspicious for town. Thought I DO eventully die, at the end of the next dayphase but I don't die immediately.

How exactly does you leaving out the modified part of your role fool scum? What were you hoping to accomplish?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Emp, how much of the game have you actually read?

[Selkies]

GCBC who else do you think are scum?

[sword_of_omens]

screw it...

Vote: MsM

For someone who doesn’t have flavor knowledge, she seems to know too much…

Her Claim looks coached by someone with flavor knowledge…particularily where she states matter of factly that Nynaeve is a doctor, like it should be common knowledge…

Because Nyvene is a Doctor, and I'm not playing Dumb

whereas right before she claimed just her name and not her role…

I also don’t like the fact that she asked about Forsaken females who can kill in the dreamworld..why would she ask specifically about females? There would be no reason for this…especially if she came from dreamwalking with Ghostlin and Demon? Demon is supposedly male, and Ghost was NK’d…and even if there was no gender revealed in the dreamworld, again, why would she ask specifically about "female" killers?

Ffery also had a very good point in her 1447 about MsM in regards to MsM’s #1065 and #1272….

i'm pretty certain she’s MsM is scum...there's just too much wrong to be coincidental..

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Toss up between Mara/Nero.

~GC

[Selkies]

Toss up between Mara/Nero.

~GC

So you think there are only two scum?

:/

[GoodCop_BadCop]

No, you asked who else I think it scum. I think its highly likely you and Demon are scum together with your claims working together while the third being between Nero/Mara. BC/Cabd is out of town, so I can't collaborate nor speak with him, but that is the impression I am getting post re-read.

~GC

[Selkies]

No, you asked who else I think it scum. I think its highly likely you and Demon are scum together with your claims working together while the third being between Nero/Mara. BC/Cabd is out of town, so I can't collaborate nor speak with him, but that is the impression I am getting post re-read.

~GC

And we are thinking you could be scum for the same reasons - the dovetailing of your original claim/case with demon's eventual role/night action claim. Our mislynch today would have been convenient.

I'm hoping things will become more clear once demon's card flips.

[Empking]

Emp, how much of the game have you actually read?

Not all of it, yet. I've read the last few pages first but I haven't finished the first lot.

[Empking]

Emp, how much of the game have you actually read?

Not all of it, yet. I've read the last few pages first but I haven't finished the first lot.

Finished. Now I'm more certain that ever how much of a travesty voting Demon for poor playstyle is rather than voting Mara, which a quick skim of Amrun's posts would tell you is the right lynch.

[Ms Marangal]

I asked if there were any forsaken female because I thought the other sister, who looked like she was trying to gain our trust, could have been scum. the third sister shared her opinions with us in the thread, and it looking back at what Ghost stated end of D1, it's super similar to what he stated.

[Ms Marangal]

Everyone in the dream world was female as our anonymous names all had the word sister in it.

Red sister, Yellow sister, and Blue (me) sister

[Empking]

I don't know the flavour, but aren't all the Aes Saedari women so 'Green Brother', for example, would be very odd.