The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Nexus]

Yes, jesus fucking christ.

[Nexus]

Metal Sonic claimed dayvig and faux dayvigged Amrun
Killer Apple got run up, rage quit and replaced out.

They are the two key events of the game thus far.

[Nexus]

Now if you don't mind, I have sunshine to enjoy.

[macmollie]

OMG...Metal Sonic is grade A bone fide town from this case on Generic...just so you know.

yeah, no idgi

he might be town for other reasons tho but not outing a character role when outed as a special is...something that to me seems kind of sus? and the wall means nothing w/o a solid town claim and he does not have that.

[macmollie]

I think I might honestly be okay with a nexus lynch

[tsunami]

OMG...Metal Sonic is grade A bone fide town from this case on Generic...just so you know.

yeah, no idgi

translation please for idgi?

[macmollie]

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[xRECKONERx]

Metal Sonic claimed dayvig and faux dayvigged Amrun
Killer Apple got run up, rage quit and replaced out.

They are the two key events of the game thus far.

I see

[tsunami]

reck are you drunk

cos you are following a case from a player who vig claimed but is not character claiming. :/

what does this have to do with his case?

[macmollie]

his foundation is faulty wrt his claim. if metal wants to come clean now then yeah, it gives weight to his case. otherwise...no.

/fuckingfedupwithtownfakeclaimingifheisscumweshouldlynchhimhowcanwedifferentiatebetweenthe2thisiswhytownshouldnotfakeclaimbutIleanscummebbeandyoumightnotunderstandwhy

[Generic]

My response to the wall is forthcoming.

The first point against me alone is hilarious. He points to me unvoting an RVS vote saying my intention is for the next vote to be serious.
His interpretation of that is for me to want to stay in RVS... Okaaaay.

[Generic]

#48 Ok, onto the point about not being upset at being wagoned.
I wasnt happy, i was comfortable that the votes and the cases attached to them were weak. It was only 2 or 3 votes on me in a game needing something like 9 votes to be lynched, why go off and argue with people acccusing them all of being scum because their early weak voting happened to be for me when i wasnt around?
i mean, you wouldnt attack every person who voted for you would you MS?....oh, wait a second, yeah, i see why you think this should be read as scummy because it in turn excuses your reactions.

#140 I comments on tierce's find because i hadnt spotted it. You want people to vote for me based on the supposed evidence you have found against me, yet one of your arguements against me is to say only mafia would use another persons logic for voting... that would mean you dont want anyone to vote for me based on your case. And you know thats bullshit.
As for redundant comments, you have filled the majority of your game with insulting people and calling people scum without any reasons attached to them. At least by asking questions its encouraging posting on topic.

#168 - You can spin it whichever way you like, i said i would vote for legitimate reasons, i gave reasons for voting. I believe you assumed KA to be scum too, although you would have just tossed a vote at them amongst a pile of expletives.

#235 - No, actually i was not sure what was being asked of me as the post i was asked to rephrase made sense as it was. The player X comment was a generalised example because specifics didnt actually matter to the point. You add an awful lot of conjecture here, basing it simply on how he expects a person to react very specificaslly.
In other words, trying to make the analysis fit the conclusion he is aiming to get.

ABout your wagon - You contradict yourself, because if im supposedly jumping on the easiest lynch each time, why would i question the wagon at all? It was very fast so i wanted to find out why it had come about so fast, either it was a scum push or it had merits that i wanted to assess myself.
Killer Apple provided a very good arguement about you and i made my decision on that.

#253 - KA was the first to theorise it and i commented on that, yet you are using this against me and not KA. Hypocricy aside, i dont particularly care about crafting every one of my post to be both on topic and actively seeking scum, im playing a game.
Hell, 90% of your posts in this game so far have been off topic filler just to antagonise or reactive posts showing you have emotive responses to things before you actually engage your brain. Yet you are trying to build a case against me on the few moments i actually chose to be non specific. pathetic.

#80 - Everytime i have returned to this i have found good cases already raised, or am defending a point made against me or answering a question asked to me. I have placed votes when i see reason to and have reassessed when needed to.

Conclusion:
Your entire case against me hinges on occasions where i have been apparently posting filler (see metal sonics posts 229, 331, 339, 346, 350, 356, 411, 413.... the list goes on)
For asking questions like who are someone elses scum reads (see MS posts 341, 343, 405,
For voting on the logic of others (see MS posts 354)

And then finally to something of MS that stands out as completely anti town. Post 409.

Doesnt think someone is town, but EVEN IF THEY ARE they cant be staying at the wedding. So he wants to get rid of people even if they are town.

Your entire case against me is exactly the same as your game, with the only difference being i have done far less filler posts and i am not adding into that anti town behaviour like you are.

[Generic]

BTW, you might want to look at the plays of others occasionally.

Post 742, venmar's sole reason for switching vote is that his current vote isn't getting any movement.

You accuse me of only voting on easy wagons, yet venmar chooses to move to a wagon that's got more chance of activity... that's not scumhunting.

[Generic]

Can someone summarise the dekes case for me.

What are your thoughts on dekes?

My thoughts are as follows looking back,

Strong early play, gave some people he had concerns about, A decent summary analysis of KA and nacho too. Particularly like post #233, a lot of good points and rebuttals of comments to him.
Then suddenly he is very different. Inactivity, promises of reads and posts that never come. Then post #734 is awful. Decided to change tactic and choose the best looking of the big wagons (taking notes Metal Sonic? These are things you placed at my door, yet dekes is openly admitting to attempting to do this).

So this is why I asked about dekes. To me its like jekyl and hyde. Wonderful opening game, very strong, then suddenly seems to almost descend into scummy play.

[tsunami]

OMG...Metal Sonic is grade A bone fide town from this case on Generic...just so you know.

yeah, no idgi

he might be town for other reasons tho but not outing a character role when outed as a special is...something that to me seems kind of sus? and the wall means nothing w/o a solid town claim and he does not have that.

how do his suspicions mean nothing without a claim? the dayvig is a fake, or he'd actually bit the person he wrote a super long case about. Read that case, if that doesnt' come from town, I'll eat my hat.

[Generic]

MS was using the claim of day vig to scare people off voting for him. So if its a lie I don't see how this fake claim makes him town. At best its null, because both sides benefit from it. And fake claiming day vig is safer against the CC because usually its a night vig in the game.
Add to that his unwillingness to name the character it suggests he knows his character will give away he is scum. Of any claim the most important part to protect as town if a PR is your ability. The character is essentially redundant when that is known, so his fear of telling it says a huge amount.

[Metal Sonic]

Oh yes! Generic is here! Lets watch him flail against my unbreakable argument where some points cannot be argued against and if he does, it will make him even more scummier!


oh and I retract my vig claim

[Metal Sonic]

#48 Ok, onto the point about not being upset at being wagoned.
I wasnt happy, i was comfortable that the votes and the cases attached to them were weak. It was only 2 or 3 votes on me in a game needing something like 9 votes to be lynched, why go off and argue with people acccusing them all of being scum because their early weak voting happened to be for me when i wasnt around?
i mean, you wouldnt attack every person who voted for you would you MS?....oh, wait a second, yeah, i see why you think this should be read as scummy because it in turn excuses your reactions.

Your attack on me is not needed here. Attack the points and not the player. The fact that you are trying to redirect attention only proves more of your guilt.

#140 I comments on tierce's find because i hadnt spotted it. You want people to vote for me based on the supposed evidence you have found against me, yet one of your arguements against me is to say only mafia would use another persons logic for voting... that would mean you dont want anyone to vote for me based on your case. And you know thats bullshit.
As for redundant comments, you have filled the majority of your game with insulting people and calling people scum without any reasons attached to them. At least by asking questions its encouraging posting on topic.

Asking useless questions is pretending to be on topic. Only scum would do that. The difference between me and you: I actually admit that I type bullshit. You? All you do is pretend to be the town... just like what the scum would do.

#168 - You can spin it whichever way you like, i said i would vote for legitimate reasons, i gave reasons for voting. I believe you assumed KA to be scum too, although you would have just tossed a vote at them amongst a pile of expletives.

Flail more.

#235 - No, actually i was not sure what was being asked of me as the post i was asked to rephrase made sense as it was. The player X comment was a generalised example because specifics didnt actually matter to the point. You add an awful lot of conjecture here, basing it simply on how he expects a person to react very specificaslly.
In other words, trying to make the analysis fit the conclusion he is aiming to get.

Flail more. Its universally known that "What do you want from me?" is a scumtell in itself. A townie will know what is expected of him, and will give either a generic answer or misinterpret the question. You? You need to get a specific question so that you can tailor your response accordingly. Scum.

ABout your wagon - You contradict yourself, because if im supposedly jumping on the easiest lynch each time, why would i question the wagon at all? It was very fast so i wanted to find out why it had come about so fast, either it was a scum push or it had merits that i wanted to assess myself.
Killer Apple provided a very good arguement about you and i made my decision on that.

"Give me a case so I can sheep it"

#253 - KA was the first to theorise it and i commented on that, yet you are using this against me and not KA. Hypocricy aside, i dont particularly care about crafting every one of my post to be both on topic and

actively seeking scum

, im playing a game.
Hell, 90% of your posts in this game so far have been off topic filler just to antagonise or reactive posts showing you have emotive responses to things before you actually engage your brain. Yet you are trying to build a case against me on the few moments i actually chose to be non specific. pathetic.

Thanks for not scumhunting but pretending to scumhunt! We understand that you are trying hard to be an impostor of the town and are trying to kill us yep! Also flail more. You have nothing to say, so you redirect attention onto me. Weak.

#80 - Everytime i have returned to this i have found good cases already raised, or am defending a point made against me or answering a question asked to me. I have placed votes when i see reason to and have reassessed when needed to.

Prove otherwise. If anybody here reads your iso they will find out that you have never posted scumreads or townread on

ANY PLAYER IN THE GAME.

Conclusion:
Your entire case against me hinges on occasions where i have been apparently posting filler (see metal sonics posts 229, 331, 339, 346, 350, 356, 411, 413.... the list goes on)

False. It hinges on you pretending to help when actually doing jack shit.

For asking questions like who are someone elses scum reads (see MS posts 341, 343, 405,

False. You don't even come up with your own scumreads.

For voting on the logic of others (see MS posts 354)

True. He provides absolutely no justification or opinion for his votes whatsoever. I vote KA because he is "a nutjob". Generic? He votes Ka AND me because "Hey that case is good!"

And then finally to something of MS that stands out as completely anti town. Post 409.

Doesnt think someone is town, but EVEN IF THEY ARE they cant be staying at the wedding. So he wants to get rid of people even if they are town.

Your entire case against me is exactly the same as your game, with the only difference being i have done far less filler posts and i am not adding into that anti town behaviour like you are.

[Metal Sonic]

your defense is inadequate. I've already warned you that my analysis will bash you up into pieces.

and thanks to the lack of logical responses to me, aka something to talk about without looking stupid, he attacks me with what we can see are unconvincing and weak points.

Look at this guy

join the easiest wagons in the game, sheep others points and not provide any reasons for his reads

, and worst of all

pretend to contribute

oh mannnnnn scum

[Generic]

Only person who voted me based on your begging to the group was reckoner, a guy who tosses his vote around like he's buying a round of drinks.

Still no name claim either.

Day vig me MS, your case has been proven hypocritical, you spent the whole thing saying 'generic is scum because...' Before offering a logic that applies more to your posts than mine, and then try to explain my mindset so that the analysis somehow fits your ridiculously poor push of the idea I'm scum.

[Generic]

Oh, and you ignored the venmar point and the dekes point. But then that I suppose contradicts your claims against me, alleys ignore those.
Which are you protecting, dekes, venmar, or both?

[Metal Sonic]

what venmar or dekes point

how are those related

I am talking about

you

, and you wonderfully redirect attention to me, and now some arguably "scummy " players(cases that others have provided, once again)?

really mr scum when I tell you to answer about a you don't say b c or d

not only do you get a fail but also look very stupid

[Metal Sonic]

regarding the "only person voting you" thing,

I can only assume the other players haven't read my wall yet. its been less than 24 hours.

[Metal Sonic]

and mr generic

unlike you

I don't

pretend

to be helpful. I'm honest.

You're not.

and that's where the scum play comes in

[Generic]

How is it not relevant. Your whole case is based on supposed scum tells. But you only see them in my play, ignoring more blatant versions of these supposed tells in others.

And you keep claiming both votes were for easy wagons. Have either ended in lunch? Can't be that easy then. Or do you mean wagons on obviously scummy people... That would be you then.