Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Grimgroove]

The summary is pages 24-25. It's only two pages, without any walls to speak of. You don't need a summary of two pages.

[Wisdom]

I'm not going to read two pages filled of your bullshit, no. If you want to summarize your points, I'll listen.

Can you summarize your points against me? All I seem to recall is you thinking that I'm trying to protect Coug. Which is stupid because a) we don't have a Coug flip yet,

Partially thanks to you.

The point remains that since you cannot know Coug's alignment (or can you?), you cannot accuse anyone of association with him. You need a flip for that.

[Grimgroove]

Read my posts.

yes, well, back at you.

But you're right, it is unproductive to be talking about this right now. you're not even in the lynchpool. But I'm glad I made my point clear about you in case I do get lynched.
Let's deal with StrangerCoug first.

[Wisdom]

yes, well, back at you.

Ok, then don't whine I am not acknowleding and things. If you had a genuine case on me, you'd have no problem presenting a summary.

[Wisdom]

What are you doing, Wisdom?

You were on such a good track of being townread by almost everyone

and suddenly you're all over the place with arguments that don't make sense.

I want someone (not Grim) to explain to me why would town ever say this. Especially the bolded part.

[Grimgroove]

@Wisdom: So your reason for voting me is?

Read my posts.

yes, well, back at you.

Ok, then don't whine I am not acknowleding and things. If you had a genuine case on me, you'd have no problem presenting a summary.

That is just wonderful.

[Grimgroove]

What are you doing, Wisdom?

You were on such a good track of being townread by almost everyone

and suddenly you're all over the place with arguments that don't make sense.

I want someone (not Grim) to explain to me why would town ever say this. Especially the bolded part.

I know you don't want my explanatyion (I already gave it), but I can imagine what yours could be:

"It's just plain weird. Whatever."

If I had been your scumbuddy at least.

[Wisdom]

No that's not weird, that's scummy. Scum care about who townreads who and base their moves on that.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom: So your reason for voting me is?

Read my posts.

yes, well, back at you.

Ok, then don't whine I am not acknowleding and things. If you had a genuine case on me, you'd have no problem presenting a summary.

That is just wonderful.

The difference is I didn't whine about you not acknowledging things, you whined about not seeing my reasons.

[Grimgroove]

But that difference is irrelevant to my point.

[Wisdom]

Not really; you're arguing that I directed you to read my posts just like you're doing; however I'm only asking you for your points because you're saying I didn't acknowledge them, while you asked on your own without me saying anything.

[Grimgroove]

You were arguing that people directing others to read their posts don't want to summarize because they don't have a genuine case.
I showed you how you were doing that yourself earlier.
THAT was my point.

[Wisdom]

Except I did direct you to the post where my main argument was, so yeah

[Grimgroove]

My arguments happen to be scattered in a space of two pages, oh boy, am I scum.
Quick run-through off the top of my head: unnatural response to my disclosure of the QT-happenings, playing dumb when it comes to basic understanding of the english, making up a ludicrous story about me making the whole thing up, responding badly (if at all, aside from omgus) to points raised against you, a poorly backed up scumread on me, a poorly backed up switch away from StrangerCoug. Yes, that should be about it.

And I repeat, that post you directed me to was not an argument. It's something that started as a silly thinking exercise, and that has now suddenly become very convenient. But its convenience does not hide its silliness.

[Wisdom]

Quick run-through off the top of my head: unnatural response to my disclosure of the QT-happenings

There's nothing unnatural about finding a "please continue posting" request weird, because it

is

weird.

playing dumb when it comes to basic understanding of the english,

Playing dumb? I understood perfectly what you said but it still made no sense to me so I asked for further explanation.

making up a ludicrous story about me making the whole thing up,

I mentioned that once because it seemed ridiculous to me. Ofc in hindsight it would be unreal for you to make that up since Coug would call you out on it, but at that moment that thought crossed my mind anyway.

responding badly (if at all, aside from omgus) to points raised against you,

"badly" is your interpretation of things. I can argue that the points themselves are bad (which they are)

a poorly backed up scumread on me, a poorly backed up switch away from StrangerCoug. Yes, that should be about it.

Not poorly backed up at all. It's based on facts.

And I repeat, that post you directed me to was not an argument. It's something that started as a silly thinking exercise, and that has now suddenly become very convenient. But its convenience does not hide its silliness.

No, it's not silly at all. Again, Majiffy completely discards his scumread on you to vote the bigger wagon, a scumread that initiated the whole thing, a scumread that made him go against the town agreement, and you do nothing about it. You just sheep him. Even if I buy that Majiffy could do that as town (because unfortunately, he could), I do not buy how you do that. You were screaming for Majiffy to give you a case, and saying how scummy he is for doing that while having no reasons and stuff, and then you completely ignore his opportunistic jump to Coug and declare that you intent to sheep him.
Nothing silly about this. These are facts.

[Grimgroove]

Sheep him? did you not notice I had my own, unique reasons to jump on the Coug-wagon?

Delving further into Majiffy's case on me is useless. The same ego that challenged us will never openly declare he was wrong about me, and that he never had anything on me to begin with. That same ego will never stoop so low as to pretend to present a flimsy case on me. He will choose to remain untocuhed and unquestioned in his reads, mainly through charisma and lack of reasons. Normally it's null, but considering he's on the right track as far as I can see, he's town. When I said that the only thing I read about Majiffy are his characteristics, it is exactly that that I was referring to. His ego. And from that read I know that certain approaches are useless, one of them being asking for reasons and arguments. The guy expects to be believed. He just does.

[Wisdom]

No I don't buy "he asked me to keep posting" as unique reasons. You had much more important reasons to scumread Majiffy over Coug. I don't see why Majiffy's ego makes him town and why you don't think Majiffy-scum could do that. Based on what has happened in the game, that's the natural thing you should be thinking. Especially given you don't know Majiffy.

[Grimgroove]

But you always townread Majiffy yourself right, even (or especially) after that challenge? Or is it because you know him better that it makes much more sense?

Do you agree with my view on him in 715, yes or no? Regardless of what you'll answer, I'll be able to use the answer against you. You know why? Because you're INCONSISTENT. You're all over the place, all in an effort to make me look bad. Joke's on you.

[Wisdom]

I townread him before, and I townread him after. It only irritated me to no end when his scumread on you dissappeared and he hoped on Coug.

I agree with your view on him - Majiffy's ego is one of his traits. He even made a whole "cult" about how people have to sheep him, so you get it. And I can accept he did what he did as town. What annoys me is what YOU are doing. You're not supposed to know Majiffy that well to figure out that this is because of his ego. You are supposed to think that he's scum doing that, especially given how you were viewing him before anything happened. I scumread Majiffy for practically the whole game in the first game I played with him, because this attitude annoyed me and I thought it was scum attitude. It happens a lot to me too, many people scumread me in their first game with me, because I'm not that different from Majiffy in that aspect. So I expect you, who don't know Majiffy, to naturally have this response too. Not instantly townread him forgetting everything that happened. It just doesn't feel natural.

[Grimgroove]

So you agree with my view on him. This proves that I do know Majiffy, or at least I know him as well as you do. Yet you said "especially given you don't know Majiffy", after having read a description of him by me that you agree with.

That's bullshit and you know it. So what if I only need one topic to get to know him?
Telling me what I'm supposed to think in this regard is ludircrous. You're telling me I'm supposed to disagree with you when it comes to how I percieve Majiffy. Because I'm a newbie who doesn't know him. This reeks. It reeks of scum.

[Grimgroove]

Wisdom, I am going to give you one last chance for the possibility of absolution of your sins. I know you, you indeed tunnel. Quite hard sometimes, and often incorrectly.
Learn from your mistakes. I will tell you how to do this:

1. Re-read the game we've completed together in the Mayfair-club, with the knowledge that Miss Destroyer is town. See how much sense their posts make.
2. Come back here.
3. Read my posts with a different mindset, try to pretend I'm town and read my posts.
4. You'll see you won't need any wacky scenarios like the one about me and MAjiffy to defend the stance that I am indeed town.

If you refuse to do this, if you refuse to see this, I'll know for a fact that you're scum.
If you do it, there might be hope for you. But I don't want to give you false hope. You're still on my radar for the reasons provided on pages 24-25, no matter what you have to say about those. But at least you could be absolved of the awful, awful scumread you have on me.

[Wisdom]

So you agree with my view on him. This proves that I do know Majiffy, or at least I know him as well as you do. Yet you said "especially given you don't know Majiffy", after having read a description of him by me that you agree with.

No, it doesn't prove that, and that's precisely my issue.

[Wisdom]

This reeks. It reeks of scum.

You can't be possibly expecting me to take you seriously when you post things like that.
Scum are telling people what they are supposed to think?
Really now?

[Wisdom]

@720
Do you really think I care about how you read me? This is becoming really stupid. No, I won't do any of this, Grim. MissD were scummy, so I read them as scummy. You're scummy, so I read you as scummy. I don't tunnel on people just because I think it's fun, I do it because I believe they're scum. Because they do things that make me believe they're scum.

"absolution of my sins"? lawl. die.

[Grimgroove]

You have officially stopped making sense. Bravo.

You're defending your scumread by things "that I was supposed to think". Do you not see the evil of these ways? You try to back up this nonsense by things you yourself used to think. So in essence, you're saying because I didn't need as much time as you to get to the same conclusions about Majiffy as you did, I'm scum. Together with him. You are irrationally excluding the option where I just read him better and faster. This is in no way meant to sound disdainful. But in this case this what happened. This is fact.

You're saying: "You're not town because you don't think the exact same way as I used to do."

That's what reeks of scum. Allegations based on nonsensical suppositions.