Open 506: Pick Your Power X/Y, Game Over

[Smudger]

why would I claim tracker?

[Yesterday]

Then claim; What role are you. Don't be coy.

[Smudger]

does this sound like the statement a tracker would make?

which is interesting to be honest because last night I was blocked/prevented while trying to investigate him

I am claiming Cop.

[Yesterday]

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Another confirmed scum; no one put him to L-1 since he'll self-hammer and there's still more stuff I want to get out.

[Yesterday]

Okay, if he had JK he'd fake-claim tracker meaning him fake-claiming cop means he has zero outs to fake claim. That means he has roleblocker which means there's no doctor in which case I'm dead tonight so this'll be my last to actually get reads out, if there's any read people don't understand or agree with of mine they need to point it out now; otherwise I want them listened to and followed on. First and most importantly Mutley, Siv, YTWC and PPP are town and never ever ever to be lynched. TMT due to numbers is very unlikely to be mafia but more likely than any of the four names above, don't lynch him in the next few days though.

I still have partial town-reads on Alabaska, Elyse and Xdaamno. Also Smudgens Post 277 and Post 279 point towards Xdaamno being town.

Cade/AA's slot is an incredibly good lynch tomorrow. I'll do some more reading later. But we really should be winning this from a position of two scum down in the first two days with power roles out there (Tracker/JK turn into a 100% clearages tonight since there's 1-scum that must submit the night-kill meaning JK should be on a scum-read, if a kill goes through that person becomes clear).

[Smudger]

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Another confirmed scum; no one put him to L-1 since he'll self-hammer and there's still more stuff I want to get out.

if you would care to explain, why you think I am fake claiming here, you are the one with the fake claim and of course know who Town are thus your list of "town players" is your buddy in there, should be somewhere I think

[Yesterday]

Deckard's read on Smudger: Null but points out something scummy

This actually makes TMT confirmed town too; scum don't comment on partner A's reasoning on partner B's being wrong. So never lynch TMT.

[Yesterday]

I don't "think" you're fake-claiming. I know you are. I'm cop and I wouldn't fake-claim a role I didn't have as scum since that's well..stupid.

You had to though since you didn't have a fake-claim option due to picking roleblocker and being caught roleblocking me.

[Smudger]

Seems you are getting a little ahead of yourself, so your buddy is either Xdaamno or TMT

[Smudger]

I don't "think" you're fake-claiming. I know you are. I'm cop and I wouldn't fake-claim a role I didn't have as scum since that's well..stupid.

You had to though since you didn't have a fake-claim option due to picking roleblocker and being caught roleblocking me.

this smacks of WIFOM. I know I am the cop and tried to investigate you last night but was blocked?

[Smudger]

This basically says to me that it is you who is the roleblocker or JT, you knew I had to have a least the Cop PR and so you blocked me, thus enabling you to set up this current situation.

[Yesterday]

Lol you realize the more you post the more you help us have content to read your partner from?

I mean there's no point for you to even pretend you're town anymore. If I've read correctly someone has a report of you visiting me last night; if you visited me last night you wouldn't have been roleblocked since roleblocked people cannot visit meaning you're 100% confirmed scum from that alone. Add to that I wouldn't randomly claim a role I didn't have as scum since it'd lead towards being lynched if not that day guaranteed the following day and I wouldn't be bussing a 1-shot vig partner without them getting their vig shot of first. So really you're as confirmed scum as they come.

[Yesterday]

Not getting much more interaction wise.

So if you need a summary: PPP, Mutley, Siv, YTWC and TMT are all 100% town. Do not and I mean it do not lynch any of them.

Xdaamno reads town interaction wise and from play but I wouldn't bet a lot on this and it's probably best if others re-read him too. Alabaska I read as town from play but him leading on YTWC and not on Smudgen today when interaction wise Smudgen looked significantly worse feels bad, I wouldn't rule him out as scum at all. Elyses comment in Post 254 commenting on Deckard and Smudgens reads lists and how they give scum a road map of who to kill is something I don't think scum would pick out their two partners to talk about so from that alone and her play I'd say she's town but again don't bank on it. Thinking we're dealing with Cade as final scum. Very much consider a mass-claim tomorrow or the day after - the information from it is incredibly needed (For instance Smudgen having roleblocker means scum wouldn't have wanted tracker/JK so whoever has that is town, whoever has neighbourizer is probably town and whoever has backup is town for sure).

[Smudger]

Lol you realize the more you post the more you help us have content to read your partner from?

I mean there's no point for you to even pretend you're town anymore. If I've read correctly someone has a report of you visiting me last night; if you visited me last night you wouldn't have been roleblocked since roleblocked people cannot visit meaning you're 100% confirmed scum from that alone. Add to that I wouldn't randomly claim a role I didn't have as scum since it'd lead towards being lynched if not that day guaranteed the following day and I wouldn't be bussing a 1-shot vig partner without them getting their vig shot of first. So really you're as confirmed scum as they come.

I don't agree at all with what you are saying, you say that you have read that some one saw me visiting you last night, I don't see that, all I know is that I tried to investigate you and could not. As for how you seem to be able to twist the way the roles have been chosen well that's great, but then of course you are doing that to ensure you remain safe, the only difference being that its the other way around and you are the one who is fake claiming and this is a setup to have me mis-lynched, thud ensuring the one PR available to win this game for town is taken out, leaving the way open for a scum win.

[Yesterday]

Look I'm not going to back-and-forth with you. Anyone walking in here will realize you're confirmed scum; you can keep trying to deny it all you want but it's a fact.

Anyway don't think I'm going to glean too much more from re-reading at the moment. Will take a break and try again later.

[Smudger]

Look I'm not going to back-and-forth with you. Anyone walking in here will realize you're confirmed scum; you can keep trying to deny it all you want but it's a fact.

Anyway don't think I'm going to glean too much more from re-reading at the moment. Will take a break and try again later.

then stop trying to have the last say and leave it alone. If you don't want a back and forth with me, but I do with you, you are lying and trying to set me up that is the simple fact, you are the JK your slot was dodgy before you took it over and now you are trying to remove that stigma by being active and with your reads. But the simple fact it they are your reads and you are manipulating what has been a very quite game. So I am not going to leave it alone.

[pieceofpecanpie]

When did Yesterday first claim Cop? Anyone?

How long has passed with no CC from Smudger?

Unless I am totally mistaken there is no harm in a Smudger lynch today and, in the unlikely event that we've been played, a Yesterday lynch tomorrow.

[Mutleyddmc]

Do we really think yesterday would really risk coming out as cop? Scum were already 1 down. You'd have to be crazy to do that. Cos even if he managed to get us to lynch the real cop, we'd just lynch the the next day. Smudger has thrown it out there to try survive at least one more day.

Even if we are wrong we have yesterday to lynch tomorrow. Wonder what role the liar actually is? That will be interesting to find out

Last thing yes I am very happy with a AA/Cade lynch tomorrow. A little due to the fact I called deckard, Sak and Cade scum with smudger the outsider. So I'd be extremely happy to have called it right early on

[Yesterday]

PPP, I soft claimed pretty heavily yesterday in Post 298, Post 300, Post 302, Post 305, Post 332 and Post 371 and today in Post 432 and hardclaimed in Post 434.

Even if we are wrong we have yesterday to lynch tomorrow. Wonder what role the liar actually is? That will be interesting to find out

He's a roleblocker. 100%. It's one of the strongest scum powers, he was first on the list and I was roleblocked last night meaning scum have it. Add to that if I'm right about what I'm reading re; a soft-claim then he and only he visited me last night confirming him as 100% the mafia roleblocker.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Add to that if I'm right about what I'm reading re; a soft-claim then he and only he visited me last night confirming him as 100% the mafia roleblocker.

Where's this bit? What'd I miss? I haven't seen confirmation of a tracker, or don't you want to point out something you've picked up on?

I'm just trying to understand why someone would fakeclaim into a role that's already been claimed. Is it a simple case of a stupid fakeclaim? Is it really that -ly simple? I would've thought there's at least 2 other viable first pick roles to claim. Or just claim the Doctor and say there's a Jailkeeper on the loose.

[Yesterday]

Where's this bit? What'd I miss? I haven't seen confirmation of a tracker, or don't you want to point out something you've picked up on?

I'd rather not point it out since it gives scum knowledge of a PR they might not know but if you re-read you might see it.

And he's fake-claimed because he's got roleblocker; he can't claim roleblocker because no townie would take roleblocker over doctor. That means he has to come up with an alternative claim; while there's the other-role in that he could claim doctor that'd make him even more obvious scum since no townie #1 on the draft would pick doctor so instead he's thrown a hail mary of cc'ing me in an attempt to dodge a lynch and de-credit me.

[Yesterday]

While you're here though if you disagree with any of my reads (ie. Siv/Mutley/YTWC/TMT being town without a doubt) nows the time to tell me and I'll explain them in more depth because scum having doctor/roleblocker means this is my last day alive.

[pieceofpecanpie]

I'll work up some questions for you shortly. Dinner first.

[Alabaska J]

i definitely was under the impression that yesterday was a cop; also it makes absolutely no sense for him/her to claim cop without provocation; getting the cop for the second to last scum sounds like a pretty bad deal to me. don't know why scum would try that ploy right now as opposed to trying a mislynch (which would probably work on the now theoretically town smudger), especially with how people thought yesterday was town even though stryker was considered scummy. it's awfully convenient that smudger gets roleblocked/jailed trying to investigate yesterday; he must be scared that tracker saw him visit yesterday with the roleblock/is seeing the softclaim i'm missing as well. lets stop speculation on where it is because smudger has admitted to visiting yesterday and that is a scum slip because theoretically if he was blocked we wouldn't see him as visiting yesterday (i'm pretty sure) so its clear to me he's covering his tracks in case the tracker hardclaims (don't do it; no reason to suspect the last scum to see the tracker softclaim at the moment). don't answer ppp: i'm not as convinced of his towniness as you are yesterday. could be a subtle fish to kill the tracker. yesterday, tell us when you are done posting whatever you have to say since there is no doc to save you tonight. you are right: self-hammer before you can say stuff is something to be worried about. i'll put him at L-1 whenever you are ready.

[Yesterday]

Alabaska, here's why PPP is town:

1) His push for no-mass-claim and reasoning behind it rings incredibly genuine and as scum it's not something he'd vocally disagree with given that it puts him in the limelight which he wouldn't want and mass-claiming also helps scum to a degree which he'd want. His entire thought-process there is very town.

2) His vote on Smudger at the start of today is SUPER town. Scum that lost a partner yesterday would not be bussing their other partner today, no chance in the world. None. Add to that scum wouldn't be bussing their partner that's a roleblocker given how strong the role is and how much it's needed for scum. Add to that if PPP was scum and scum had roleblocker I would be dead, not roleblocked since he's smart enough to work out optimal play is to flat out shoot me. And add to that further if PPP was scum Deckard and Smudgers claims would have been coached given that scum have daytalk and both of their reactions to pressure (The self-vote and the cop claim) show they're not being helped by someone experienced or at all.

3) Smudgers interactions with PPP don't fit as partners; Post 149 where he says "So in essence, Pecan, he gets a wild card into D2?" isn't the sort of comment scum makes to partners especially scum with daytalk and Post 151 isn't about a partner. And his Post 471 of "I acknoeledge Pecans vote and will answer any questions come Sunday." is not what scum say about their partner voting them.