Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Venmar]

You're so goddamn waffly you know that?

Scum scum Scummity scum.

[Wisdom]

I'm going to ignore you from now on if you don't mind

[Amrun]

AP is scum because he pushed a bullshit case on me that clearly and willfully misinterpreted things I was saying and was just all around ridiculous stretches.

More significantly than that, though, when I responded to him -- full response -- he didn't address it ever again even when I prodded him about it. That doesn't make sense for someone who is SO SURE I'm scum.

Later, he said I said something the opposite of what I actually said by snipping a quote on purpose. When I called him on these he just posted willy wonka.

He hasn't behaved towards me like someone trying to determine my alignment. He has simply flailed and tried to throw mud.

This behavior continued with grim groove. Whatever the person getting pressure, he adds to it but not in a consistent way. It's opportunistic.

Also, deposite all this, I think we should lynch ns if he doesn't provide content today.

[Wisdom]

Have you played with AP before? Can you be sure it's not just how he plays?

[Elyse]

I've played with AP once and he was much more active and persuasive in the other game. He was always scumhunting and pushed good, legit cases and he was confident. He was town. Here, I'm seeing the opposite, on top of what Amrun said.

But why are you against voting AP? Do you have a townread on him or something? Amrun posted a good list of reasons to vote AP, yet you ask if it is just how he plays and continue voting NS who hasn't done anything. Why?

[Wisdom]

No, I actually had a scumread, but I dislike how everyone is voting him and it's making me think that's what scum want.

[Wisdom]

Amrun's reasons aren't that good btw.

[Elyse]

By everyone, you mean me, Majiffy, and Amrun, all of whom had scumreads on AP before.

[Amrun]

Have you played with AP before? Can you be sure it's not just how he plays?

I modded AP's newbie and I've met and played with him in real life. Yes, I know him.

[Wisdom]

Are you familiar with his scum game? Does it look like his play here?

[Amrun]

My familiarity with his scum game is mostly in person, which is a different medium -- but, given that, yes. It reminds me strongly of his scum play. Quiet until he talks, and when he talks, it's a wild push on someone convenient if he can come up with a unique reason, or a conventional push if he can't. On the forums it's much more likely hat he can come up with reasons as he's very smart.

[Venmar]

Naturally I agree with Amrun and Elyse about AP's scummeta, as it's one of the reasons I suspected AP for when he made his Amrun case and such.

Although I'm getting a bunch of "WTF" alarm in my head that Amrun is willing to lynch a lurker (NS) over her legit reasons for suspect AP. Ammy, can you just tell me the train of thought behind that, im just confused how and why.

[Amrun]

I don't actually want to lynch him over AP. I want to use the threat of lynching him to force him to produce content. But if I'm not willing to put my money where my mouth is, it's an empty threat. And the thing is, if he's not going to provide content at all, it's better to lynch him now than later even if he IS Town.

The sad thing is is that he probably is town because usually as scum he puts in some token effort.

I love NS but in a 4 scum night less game we can't afford dead weight.

Safety dance is much the same except that he didn't find himself accidentally in the lynch pool today, and also I don't have a meta read on him.

[Amrun]

In fact, Safety dance has produced SOMETHING, and what he has produced I lean scum on.

But ns hasn't posted anything at all but prod dodges.

[Wisdom]

If it helps, NS asked me "Why are you so defensive with Amrun, have you not played with her before?" (regarding what happened towards the beginning of the game with the plan etc), then he realized I haven't and said so. I asked him if Amrun usually suggests plans like this and he said that she does.
That's what has happened in our QT more or less, since he's as active there as he is here.

[Majiffy]

If we could just get more votes on AP that'd be

greeeeaaaaaaat

.

[Grimgroove]

^ Pretty clearly sarcasm

It is a very good lynchpool indeed.
I'll probably just sheep Majiffy when push comes to shove. I really want you to be scum as well though.
But I have to re-evaluate everything, you're definitely right about that.
Damnit, I was already dreaming of a scummy award for best townplay for catching both you and StrangerCoug in two pages time. It all seemed to fit so nicely.
Agh. Will take the day off tomorrow.

If you want to sheep me, why aren't you voting AP?

It seemed like a good idea at the time, I was disappointed with my performance.
But you were wrong as well, so sheeping you is obviously not a guarantee to succes.
What do you think about Wisdom? I noticed you had him from marked in green to one of the lynch-possibilities.
Do you think my interactions with him brought something to light, or just all bullshit?

I don't find Venmar very constructive.
NS is lurkylukr.
Angry Pidgeon has been wrong throughout most of the game, but sadly I'm not in the position anymore to hold that against anyone, which will make my gameplay considerably more moot until I get over that.
But Wisdom should know I'm town.

[Majiffy]

Just because Coug didn't flip mafia doesn't mean Coug wasn't scum.
I'm unsure about Wisdom. Mollie is right about dumb arguments being a scumtell from him, so I'm starting to think my early read (town) on him is tainting my judgement.
I refrained from reading your back-and-forth with him as much as possible. I can only take so much stupid.

[Haschel Cedricson]

@Mod: I think you need to get some prodding done.

I know it looks that way, considering how fast this thread moves, but everybody has posted within the last 48 hours. I'm also giving a bit of leeway due to the holiday. At any rate...

The pool of players eligible to be lynched today consists of:

AngryPidgeon
Venmar

Nobody Special
Wisdom

Here are the current votes:

AngryPidgeon(3) - Elyse, Majiffy, Amrun
Wisdom (2) - Venmar, Grimgroove
Nobody Special (1) - Wisdom
Venmar (0) -

Not Voting (5) - enomis, pirate mollie, SafetyDance, AngryPidgeon, Nobody Special

With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch.

[Wisdom]

I'm unsure about Wisdom. Mollie is right about dumb arguments being a scumtell from him,

what
Where did you see my scumgame, Majiffy?
And this is wrong actually, my arguments are far more dumber when I am town, and you have witnessed it.
What the fuck is this shit?

[Majiffy]

I've definitely played with YouScum once or twice.

[Wisdom]

But Wisdom should know I'm town.

Do you want to take a step back and reread your game?

[Wisdom]

I've definitely played with YouScum once or twice.

No, you haven't. You have played 3 games with me, and I was town in all 3 of them.

[Wisdom]

Actually 5.
Chosen, Diffusion, Duck Duck Goose, 8matrix, and a newbie.
And I was town in all 5.
Plus the one you modded, in which I also was town.

[Wisdom]

@Grimgroove
The only thing that I feel is completely different from the game I played with you and you were scum is how you criticize your own play. You didn't do that at all in that game. But why should I assume that it's not an act?