Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Rubicon]

Do you think his play here is very similar to his play in that game of Jason's where he was scum? I've had him in my maybe-town-but-not-totally-sure category so far.

[Rubicon]

By the way, Dante avoided the question when I asked him what he thought of you. What do you think of Dante?

[penguin_alien]

By the way, Dante avoided the question when I asked him what he thought of you. What do you think of Dante?

His posting style reads as very freeform--train of thought is right there. I have no idea if he's capable of faking that. With a relatively new player, first thought is not. The content isn't very useful, but he doesn't seem to be censoring himself at all. I'm not interested in lynching him today.

TD, I've only seen as scum: SK in 2.5 mash-up, Mafia in Mainstream. I didn't catch onto him in either place. I was asking because you're claiming PGO, he's claiming he targeted you and isn't dead, I'd think you'd have an opinion on that. He doesn't remind me of past scum play per se, and his interactions seem towny.

[Dante]

Have no idea why MS is acting disinterested. He didn't look to scum hunt...comes across as scum...

This is what I love about lynching you. You're doing all those things too, but you don't have an established meta of acting stupid as town. Anyone can pull up 5 random metal sonic games and see him acting exactly like he is here. Consequently I'm a little puzzled at the level of apathy people are displaying, calling him "bubbly bubbly scum" or whatever and not paying any attention to the elephant in the room.

personally didn't like the Desperado versus TheIrishPope trains. Way better to force more action...see who latches on to whom...

I don't know what you mean by this. Elaborate.

in this case I've noticed you've defended MS...always good to see...players pushing trains and defending others...better than waiting for the deadline and we get no information.

To be honest this is an excellent reason to lynch you. I've already noticed about three different relational tells with you and a few other people.

Do you have a case on the others or are you just fishing?

I tossed those names out there because it occurred to me that one or more of them was probably your buddy. I wanted to see how you'd respond. You responded by

not

telling me what you thought of them, avoiding the question and deflecting it back at me.

1. Sounds like your saying you trust MS more than me while offering five random games meta as a token. DNC. I've never played with MS or you, or anyone else on this board before so really don't care what his meta is or what you think of mine.

2. Elaboration: Did you even read the thread at the start of this day? If not, recommend you go back and do so now. Desperado and TheIrishPope pointing fingers at each other. We could have easily stayed on that path all day and lynched one. I chose to look elsewhere cause I'm still wondering if there is another game mechanic that could explain what happened here. Do you have an opinion? Didn't really want the quick lynch cause that seems what we've done the first two days. In the meantime, MS came across as disinterested scum...I voted him...some others saw something similar...you jumped into the fray pointing fingers at me...fine...the whole game is relationships...who's willing to vote who and who will not vote another...that's how I hunt.

3. Then I ask you to explain the "relational tells" you've uncovered. This helps us in the long run.

4. I've posted my observations as I've seen them...if the game play led me to conclude a read on them...I would have offered one...you want to case boxxy, NS and/or PA...make one...I'm all ears.

[TiphaineDeath]

VOTE: PA

I could have quite easily aimed to get the town PGO lynched by claiming that monkey specifically told me I had targeted him and I was alive. I did the exact opposite. Reach more.

[TiphaineDeath]

Let me clarify that, I tried to target him. I did something that intuitively should have targeted him, and didn't die. However when I asked monkey about this odd occurrence he told me:

A) I am supposed to be alive.
B) I did not technically "target" rubicon.

[penguin_alien]

The direct approach you suggest sets up a one for one trade, probably not worth it for a likely multiball game. Muddying the waters would be more effective in the long run. But as I said, I'm more interested in Rubicon's reaction or lack thereof to your account of events. Nothing in your play is making me think you're scum relative to your play in Mainstream or 2.5 Mash-up.

[boxxy]

I have no explanation for why TIP's tracking didn't show Desperado visiting me, I'm not a ninja and the case on me is weak.


The fact that Tiphaine targetted Rubi and didn't die is very unsettling. I guess it could explain TIPs tracking result, but it still doesn't sit well and I'm not inclined to believe either of them at this point.

There's no way in hell it was all town on the zoidberg wagon.

That's a lynch

Varsoon

mr e roll

psyche desp tso death Eddie NS

who

So guaranteed scum is one of Varsoon, Psyche, Desperado, TSO, Tiphaine, Eddie and NS.

Down to 7/14 alive, we should lynch one of these.

Desperado is obv town. Eddie reads pretty null right now so I'll cross him off for now.

Varsoon, Psyche, TSO, Tiphaine,

Eddie

and NS.

I could see a Varsoon/Psyche scum team trying to set up Varsoon as miller (miller 2 shot neighbourizer? What a joke). He successfully "neighbourized" Psyche so they can communicate off thread now. That would be real easy to fake if scum has day-talk seeing as Varsoon is conveniently out of shots now being so called 2-shot.

Varsoon

,

Psyche

, TSO, Tiphaine,

Eddie

and NS.

NS has been cruising along since day 1. He checked out day 1 because "day 1 sucks I'm better at future days." But so far he's still just cruised along pushing a wagon here and there without doing too much analysis or work. Could just be his playstyle but it could also just be scum trying to stay under the radar.

Varsoon

,

Psyche

, TSO, Tiphaine,

Eddie

and

NS

.

TSO reads null.

Varsoon

,

Psyche

,

TSO

, Tiphaine,

Eddie

and

NS

.

Tiphaine, I don't like that he got away with targetting Rubicon and living, but like I already said it could be the same weirdness that showed up in TIPs tracking report. Not sure what's going on there. So overall I guess he's null but I get an uneasy vibe from him.

Varsoon

,

Psyche

,

TSO

,

Tiphaine

,

Eddie

and

NS

.

Lynch today should be one of these people, preferrably someone bolded.

VOTE: Varsoon

Varsoon is the best option IMO. I think he's the scummiest on that list. Additionally we should policy lynch Miller at some point, and if he does flip neighbourizer then that will confirm Psyche as town.

[Rubicon]

1. Sounds like your saying you trust MS more than me while offering five random games meta as a token. DNC. I've never played with MS or you, or anyone else on this board before so really don't care what his meta is or what you think of mine.

That's interesting. Why not? If Metal Sonic plays this way as town, doesn't that change your impression of him?

2. Elaboration: Did you even read the thread at the start of this day? If not, recommend you go back and do so now. Desperado and TheIrishPope pointing fingers at each other. We could have easily stayed on that path all day and lynched one. I chose to look elsewhere cause I'm still wondering if there is another game mechanic that could explain what happened here.

Okay, I'll give you that.

Do you have an opinion?

I think TIP's probably town and telling the truth, Desperado I'm not sure about.

Didn't really want the quick lynch cause that seems what we've done the first two days. In the meantime, MS came across as disinterested scum...I voted him...some others saw something similar...you jumped into the fray pointing fingers at me...fine...the whole game is relationships...who's willing to vote who and who will not vote another...that's how I hunt.

What other relationships have you noticed?

3. Then I ask you to explain the "relational tells" you've uncovered. This helps us in the long run.

several people unwilling to vote you, metal sonic & nobody special very willing to lynch you, you not giving reads on several players. among other things.

4. I've posted my observations as I've seen them...if the game play led me to conclude a read on them...I would have offered one...you want to case boxxy, NS and/or PA...make one...I'm all ears.

Do you agree with boxxy that there's probably scum on the Zoidberg wagon? What do you think about what TD is saying?

[Rubicon]

@ TD:

1) If you are a presumably powerful town PR, why did you risk targeting the PGO based on a single suspicious post?

2) Who else did you target?

3) Why are you voting PA?

4) Why are you not voting Dante?

[TheIrishPope]

TIP is most definitely Town

[Rubicon]

By the way, Dante avoided the question when I asked him what he thought of you. What do you think of Dante?

His posting style reads as very freeform--train of thought is right there. I have no idea if he's capable of faking that. With a relatively new player, first thought is not. The content isn't very useful, but he doesn't seem to be censoring himself at all. I'm not interested in lynching him today.[/quote[
I don't see it, myself.

TD, I've only seen as scum: SK in 2.5 mash-up, Mafia in Mainstream. I didn't catch onto him in either place. I was asking because you're claiming PGO, he's claiming he targeted you and isn't dead, I'd think you'd have an opinion on that. He doesn't remind me of past scum play per se, and his interactions seem towny.

TD's play actually does remind me of his D4 play in the game I mentioned.

I haven't got the impression that TD's trying to set me up for suspicion later. It's possible, I guess. I don't like the way he's focusing so much on me and not other players, and it could be some subtle longterm game to get me mislynched in lylo.

[Rubicon]

Vote Dante with me, town-TIP

[TheIrishPope]

I will vote my confirmed scum, thank you very much

[Rubicon]

The fact that Tiphaine targetted Rubi and didn't die is very unsettling. I guess it could explain TIPs tracking result, but it still doesn't sit well and I'm not inclined to believe either of them at this point.

How come? Please be specific.

You're kind of obviously doing exactly what PA is accusing TD of doing.

There's no way in hell it was all town on the zoidberg wagon.

I kind of agree about Eddie and T S O, but this looks like an excuse for you to avoid talking about the other players in the game who weren't on that wagon. Especially since this is multiball - was there in fact scum on that wagon, just not

your

faction?

Down to 7/14 alive, we should lynch one of these.

Dante avoided the question when I asked him about you. I also asked you what you thought of him, maybe you missed it. Please answer.

Desperado is obv town. Eddie reads pretty null right now so I'll cross him off for now.

Why is Desperado town? If you're doing POE and wagon analysis, why are you scratching off null reads? That doesn't make any sense.

I could see a Varsoon/Psyche scum team trying to set up Varsoon as miller (miller 2 shot neighbourizer? What a joke). He successfully "neighbourized" Psyche so they can communicate off thread now.

I'm just gonna say this is probably bullshit.

That would be real easy to fake if scum has day-talk seeing as Varsoon is conveniently out of shots now being so called 2-shot.

Do you have some reason to think scum has day talk?

NS has been cruising along since day 1. He checked out day 1 because "day 1 sucks I'm better at future days." But so far he's still just cruised along pushing a wagon here and there without doing too much analysis or work. Could just be his playstyle but it could also just be scum trying to stay under the radar.

I love your attempt at fencesitting here, especially when the rest of your post amounts to wishy washy POE and concludes by voting to lynch obvtown.

Tiphaine, I don't like that he got away with targetting Rubicon and living, but like I already said it could be the same weirdness that showed up in TIPs tracking report. Not sure what's going on there. So overall I guess he's null but I get an uneasy vibe from him.

At the beginning of your post you say you don't believe TiphaineDeath. Therefore he's scum, right? Why the switch?

[Rubicon]

TIP is most definitely Town

Okay. What is your read on Dante, though?

[Rubicon]

and tell me what you think of boxxy and NS too.

[TheIrishPope]

I wanted to give Dante some newbie leeway but that's not happening
He's nullscum
Boxxy is handling this pretty well, because she's in the middle of this clusterfuck
Her posts seem pretty town
NS? Oh boy
Textbook scum
Policy lynching him tomorrow is ideal

[Skullduggery]

One of the two people I tried to "target" was rubicon. I though he was scum faking PGO and targeting him would either kill him or disrupt some high powered action. I didn't ask monkey a god damned thing except to make sure I was supposed to be alive and whether I targeted rubicon. He told me I was supposed to be alive and I did not target rubicon. My role specifically states that I have two targets, but one of them isn't a target according to monkey.... this game is fucked up. Good night.

Let me clarify that, I tried to target him. I did something that intuitively should have targeted him, and didn't die. However when I asked monkey about this odd occurrence he told me:

A) I am supposed to be alive.
B) I did not technically "target" rubicon.

Hmm. At the risk of role-fishing here, what other roles besides Bus Driver target two people on the same night? Moreover, what kind of role is different enough from Bus Driver for you to not counter-claim Desperado? How is it not unbalanced for both of you to be in the same game?

The only other role I can think of off the top of my head is Redirector, but a Redirector and a Bus Driver in the same game seems redundant.

The fact that Tiphaine targetted Rubi and didn't die is very unsettling. I guess it could explain TIPs tracking result, but it still doesn't sit well and I'm not inclined to believe either of them at this point.

So you think Tiphaine and Pope are both lying? Why not pressure them more then?

Eddie reads pretty null right now so I'll cross him off for now.

Why is Eddie's coasting play Null at the moment when it was scummy enough for you to suspect him in 921 and 952?

NS has been cruising along since day 1. He checked out day 1 because "day 1 sucks I'm better at future days." But so far he's still just cruised along pushing a wagon here and there without doing too much analysis or work. Could just be his playstyle but it could also just be scum trying to stay under the radar.

How is this different from what Eddie has been doing? Why cross Eddie off your list but not NS?

Additionally we should policy lynch Miller at some point, and if he does flip neighbourizer then that will confirm Psyche as town.

How would that confirm Psyche as Town? There's nothing stopping a Neighborizer from adding a Scum player to his neighborhood.

NS? Oh boy
Textbook scum
Policy lynching him tomorrow is ideal

How would that classify as a policy lynch? And why tomorrow? Why not today? You may be convinced that Desperado is Scum, but let's be real here -- the chances of him being lynched today are slim at best.

[Dante]

1. Sounds like your saying you trust MS more than me while offering five random games meta as a token. DNC. I've never played with MS or you, or anyone else on this board before so really don't care what his meta is or what you think of mine.

That's interesting. Why not? If Metal Sonic plays this way as town, doesn't that change your impression of him?

2. Elaboration: Did you even read the thread at the start of this day? If not, recommend you go back and do so now. Desperado and TheIrishPope pointing fingers at each other. We could have easily stayed on that path all day and lynched one. I chose to look elsewhere cause I'm still wondering if there is another game mechanic that could explain what happened here.

Okay, I'll give you that.

Do you have an opinion?

I think TIP's probably town and telling the truth, Desperado I'm not sure about.

Didn't really want the quick lynch cause that seems what we've done the first two days. In the meantime, MS came across as disinterested scum...I voted him...some others saw something similar...you jumped into the fray pointing fingers at me...fine...the whole game is relationships...who's willing to vote who and who will not vote another...that's how I hunt.

What other relationships have you noticed?

3. Then I ask you to explain the "relational tells" you've uncovered. This helps us in the long run.

several people unwilling to vote you, metal sonic & nobody special very willing to lynch you, you not giving reads on several players. among other things.

4. I've posted my observations as I've seen them...if the game play led me to conclude a read on them...I would have offered one...you want to case boxxy, NS and/or PA...make one...I'm all ears.

Do you agree with boxxy that there's probably scum on the Zoidberg wagon? What do you think about what TD is saying?

1. I don't trust your meta read...in a game based upon deception would you expect anything else? I make reads based upon game play in front of me...he's placed lazy scum votes...with little commentary to hold him accountable later...just flippant...I'd thought he might some commentary after a little pressure but instead he finds a soft spot to park his vote and lurk as long as he can...see zero reason to keep him around at this point.

2. Looks like you went back to read the day's events.

3. What makes you think TIP is telling the truth? More meta?

4. Excellent deflection. I ask you to explain your "relational tells" that you stated you had uncovered...but you just avoid answering and ask me to state mine...and trying to say "several"...not really specific...more vague nonsense than anything...so no...you don't get credit for answering.

5. Yes. Suspect there was scum on Zoidberg's train. His analysis made more sense than the rest of the commentary today. Could support a Varsoon lynch today just to eliminate that wifom. That would leave us with two big open questions. On TD, his wifom with you and the other wifom between Desperado and TIP. Could be just a simple mechanics involved...one that's not evident although I'm leerry of how both sets of wifoms occurred Night 2. Just don't see that yet.

[MonkeyMan576]

You have 5 days left until day 3 ends.

[TheIrishPope]

Skull, because he isn't participating
He has 32 posts out of 54 pages
And they're two sentences each
Bitches ain't shit man
Tomorrow because people are set on Dante
And the fact that the chances of lynching Desperado are slim doesn't stop me from trying
DESPERADO FOR PRESIDENT

[Nobody Special]

Let me clarify that, I tried to target him. I did something that intuitively should have targeted him, and didn't die. However when I asked monkey about this odd occurrence he told me:

A) I am supposed to be alive.
B) I did not technically "target" rubicon.

You're really going to have to explain this more. I'm NOT rolefishing, I'm trying to make some sense out of this fucking game. I hope there is sense to be had.

TIP is most definitely Town

Okay. What is your read on Dante, though?

Wait. He calls himself town and all you say is "Okay." ??


Boxxy has a point. I have been coasting, of sorts. This game is just very confusing, and very disturbing, and it pisses me off a bit. plus, I've gotten increasingly busy IRL and, well, frustrating game.

[TheIrishPope]

He probably didn't see who wrote that post lol

[EddieFenix]

So... TIP has confirmed scum. Rubicon is walling. Boxxy and Skull are town imo. And TD did something with his supposed power role that didn't work... Just wanna make sure I got all that for this page.