Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

Ffery, does it really make sense to you in the difference of how he pursued you before and after the hp leaves flip?

That's the crux of my scum read on Syryana. His reasoning there just reeks of scum trying to cover up inconsistent behavior by pretending it is consistent.

P-edit: I typed this post right before I got slammed with work and like 5 other posts happened I don't have time to read them at all

[Katsuki]

@SOO: You claimed PR a few days ago. Have you had any results of any kind since? You haven't claimed anything in days...

[fferyllt]

Ffery, does it really make sense to you in the difference of how he pursued you before and after the hp leaves flip?

That's the crux of my scum read on Syryana. His reasoning there just reeks of scum trying to cover up inconsistent behavior by pretending it is consistent.

P-edit: I typed this post right before I got slammed with work and like 5 other posts happened I don't have time to read them at all

I don't know.

My own flip on that slot was terrible, but the sheer dissonance of continuing to defend the bungles read while reading hp as scummy, while it was internally consistent from the perspective of "maybe bungles wasn't around long enough to really set off my scumdar?", from an external perspective it reeked.

Of the people in this game, Syr knows my town games best. I say games because so far at MS my game has changed a lot. There is a trajectory to the changes, but it's not nicely lined up. More like the trajectory of a pinball hitting various barriers. So, even experiential meta is iffy, though I think there are some baseline things that I couldn't change if I tried, and I know a couple ms players who seem to have that stuff fairly well nailed.

I'll go back and look at Syr's before and aftr hp-flip posts.

[Vi]

~Vote Count LVIII

Amrun (1) ~ Syryana

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Katsuki, Amrun, sword_of_omens,

(Syryana)

--With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
--Deadline is 07:45 EDT on July 9, 2013.

(Only got 2 days left)

[Amrun]

I was actually going to change my investigation to you yesterday, Syryana, but kept waffling and then I ran out of time. I still think Katsuki was a good place to put it because I saw Katsuki as the most likely lynch today. I think katsuki's town. Therefore, I think lynching Katsuki will be VERY BAD. Confirming his role (as happened) doesn't mean all that much anyway.

The rest of the time, I was using my investigations things I deemed more important, as my suspicion of you didn't happen until later on. But ignoring the fact that I investigated ffery to try and sort out the situation between you/fferyz. Ignoring that key piece of information is pretty scummy.

And you're acting like it's a cop investigate. It's NOT. It confirms whether or not people are telling the truth about the flavor names. Anyone could easily be telling the truth but still scum. The only utility off my role is attempting to catch someone in a lie, but with such a game, there's nothing that says they have to lie. Painting it as a guilty/innocent doesn't make any sense. It's an extra assurance that someone gave the correct role name and nothing else.

VOTE: Syryana

[Katsuki]

=.=

[Syryana]

Ffery, does it really make sense to you in the difference of how he pursued you before and after the hp leaves flip?

That's the crux of my scum read on Syryana. His reasoning there just reeks of scum trying to cover up inconsistent behavior by pretending it is consistent.

Hmm, this happened on what, Day 3? Yes, that's right, I hammered HP on Day 2, got a townflip, reevaluated/flaked Day 3, you went after me on Day 4. I gave an explanation, you didn't like it, that's nice.

Now, if your scum-read on me were anything but hot air, you'd have investigated me. Instead (according to you), you wasted your N3 investigate, used it on fery N4, and used it on Katsuki N5. I'll pass over the fery/no investigate, because fery makes sense and I'm not wasting time in thread debating whether your lack of investigation and subsequent excuses are valid or not. My major point of contention lies in the Katsuki investigate.

Throughout this entire thread, you've never so much as voiced a suspicion about Katsuki. YesterDay, when not getting my lynch (you even left your vote on me till pretty late in the Day), you baldly stated you'd definitely choose Oversoul rather than Katsuki:

Personally, though its obvious who I would rather lynch, it's an easy choice between Latsuki and over soul to me (Oversoul).

Also FYI I am v/la this whole week but I have my phone. I will read/respond to things but cases etc probably not happening.

VOTE: oversoul

I'm equally happy with an Oversoul lynch and Sryana isn't getting traction.

You really wanted that Syryana lynch, but Oversoul is fine if you can't get it. Okay. So you can't get your preferred lynch (me), I hammer Oversoul, he flips town, and you

investigate Katsuki

? If your read on me was legit, you clearly would have investigated me last night, since I hammered a friggin townie (again). Instead, you investigate/clear Katsuki, which is a scum read for me, a town read for sword, and a null read for you and fery (I'm assuming null since neither of you is interested in presenting opinions). In point of fact, the only people that voted/suspected/pursued Katsuki as scum were Oversoul and myself. Why, then, would you investigate someone that

your top suspect tried to push for a lynch

?

The scum motivation is obvious. You investigate and clear someone who has been known to sympathize with a Syryana lynch. She's in fact probably town; you clear her, she likes you, she voices opinions of wanting to lynch me, you agree, she votes, you and partner hammer, gg.

You called me scum for "attempting to cover up inconsistencies as consistency"? Irony.

Pedit: Lol. You're full of shit. You settled for Oversoul over me as a compromise. I hammered the fuck out of him and you investigate Katsuki? Yeah, no.

[Syryana]

I was actually going to change my investigation to you yesterday, Syryana, but kept waffling and then I ran out of time. I still think Katsuki was a good place to put it because I saw Katsuki as the most likely lynch today. I think katsuki's town. Therefore, I think lynching Katsuki will be VERY BAD. Confirming his role (as happened) doesn't mean all that much anyway.

Lolusrs? You wanted to clear Katsuki because she was likely going to be the lynch? Bullfuckingshit. See prior post's point about you investigating your top suspect's attempted lynch target.

The rest of the time, I was using my investigations things I deemed more important, as my suspicion of you didn't happen until later on. But ignoring the fact that I investigated ffery to try and sort out the situation between you/fferyz. Ignoring that key piece of information is pretty scummy.

Oh, like investigating nothing?

And you're acting like it's a cop investigate. It's NOT. It confirms whether or not people are telling the truth about the flavor names. Anyone could easily be telling the truth but still scum. The only utility off my role is attempting to catch someone in a lie, but with such a game, there's nothing that says they have to lie. Painting it as a guilty/innocent doesn't make any sense. It's an extra assurance that someone gave the correct role name and nothing else.

And you're ignoring how obvscum Antagon's flavor was. The rest of them probably have similar flavor (i.e. villains from their respective universes), so they'd pretty much have to fakeclaim to not be found out at massclaim. Your attempt to obfuscate how powerful your role is in this scenario is noted.

[Katsuki]

Syry can you sum up your ffrey read for me?

[Amrun]

No, I didn't compromise on Oversoul. Even in my vote post, I said I'd be just as happy to vote there! I thought Oversoul was scum.

And I DON'T have a scum read on Katsuki, but I DID early on in the game.

You're ignoring several key things.

A) n3 I didn't not investigate on PURPOSE. It was an accident because instant night.

B) I didn't know your flavor then so I couldn't have investigated you anyway!

C) When I investigated ffery, my scum read on her was much stronger than my scum read on you.

Trying to paint that as scummy is soooo bad. Like, let's just ignore how my role works, shall we?

Fucking lol.

[Amrun]

And if I wanted to leave people alive to vote you, Syryana, why do you think Zdenek died?

He was my biggest ally to making you dead. I was hoping to swing him that way yesterday in fact and it was a close call.

Is it a coincidence that he's dead today? Fucking no, it is not.

[Katsuki]

Eh Zdenek was the towniest player alive by far.

[Amrun]

Sure but the idea that I, as scum, kept katsuki (you) alive just to lynch Syryana is utterly nonsensical.

[Katsuki]

Not really. I thought I was getting instalynched when I woke up to that townflip. I doubt anyone would kill mislynch bait over essentially confirmed town.

[fferyllt]

Se're not no lynching today, so fuck off SoO and your Amrun vote. Basically you just bought yourself tomorrow's rope. So that's cute.

I've played with SoO before and he's never whined like this about lack of access, so he probably is actually scum too, so right now, I'd l ove to string him up, but getting a wagon going there is isn't going happen now.

So somebody should probably
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you are wrong here, Zdenek try reading DBZ mafia..ffery was there and can tell you I got called out for the exact same thing.

... and no I wasn't scum there, either... as far as my vote goes, , I said I would move it if I had to before dead line, but I was hoping that people would at least read and discuss the shit i type rather than just dismiss it....I had preferred not to vote on my town reads and think it's a legitimate case.. there was plenty of time to at least discuss it...

@Kats... although it doesn't really matter now, I probably would have gone with you... I've played with OS quote a bit and would like to think that I can read him pretty well...

Why did you appeal to your scum read to back you up about this?

[Syryana]

Syry can you sum up your ffrey read for me?

My read on fery is currently in a state of flux. I find myself unable to decide whether she or SOO is Amrun's partner. Still leaning SOO, so that would mean fery is town.

And I DON'T have a scum read on Katsuki, but I DID early on in the game.

In the 107 posts you've made this game, precisely one intimates you even harbored suspicions of Katsuki. And in that one post (#1170) all reasons pointed out were eaten by tigers (both the reasons you suspected her as well as the reasons she made you feel better). All in all, tigers or no, that post essentially says "eh, not sure if scum or not, but we can lynch anyways". Not exactly a resounding scumread. Then it disappears entirely until you get some heat for this ridiculous night action you supposedly took. So, you investigate someone you hinted you had suspicions of once over someone you've been trying to get lynched for three Days? Lolno.

You're ignoring several key things.

A) n3 I didn't not investigate on PURPOSE. It was an accident because instant night.

B) I didn't know your flavor then so I couldn't have investigated you anyway!

C) When I investigated ffery, my scum read on her was much stronger than my scum read on you.

Trying to paint that as scummy is soooo bad. Like, let's just ignore how my role works, shall we?

Damn, you caught me. I'm totally ignoring things that have nothing to do with my point. Oops.

1)Already pointed out I'm not going to argue about why you did or didn't investigate N3. Irrelevant.
2)A valid point (which I already admitted if you bothered to read my posts), but besides the point. My argument revolves around the fact you investigated someone totally at odds with your in thread reads last night.
3)See 2, but remove the clause calling the point valid.

And if I wanted to leave people alive to vote you, Syryana, why do you think Zdenek died?

He was my biggest ally to making you dead. I was hoping to swing him that way yesterday in fact and it was a close call.

Is it a coincidence that he's dead today? Fucking no, it is not.

Of course it is no coincidence. Zdenek would not likely have been interested in a lynch on me toDay, considering his final post was "I'm going to get your ass dead tomorrow for that Amrun vote, sword". When you combine that with the fact that Zdenek was the towniest player alive at that point, well. Furthermore, you only need one vote to get the mislynch on me. So tell me, why would you kill the counterwagon to town when you can kill the near universal townread when either will (according to you) want to vote for your desired lynch?

Sure but the idea that I, as scum, kept katsuki (you) alive just to lynch Syryana is utterly nonsensical.

How on earth did you even come up with this?

[sword_of_omens]

@SOO: You claimed PR a few days ago. Have you had any results of any kind since? You haven't claimed anything in days...

Unfortunately, there hasn’t been a whole lot to claim, really…
N1 I tried to inhale Psyduck and failed.
N2 I tried to inhale Psyduck and failed.
N3 I tried to inhale Magic Urn and succeeded
N4 I used my ability on Zdenek
N5 I tried to inhale Mr I

Why did you appeal to your scum read to back you up about this?

You are the only living player that was in the game with me…whether or not you are scum doesn’t really matter here, as it would look pretty silly for you to say “that’s not true!” when it can easily be linked and shown..i couldn’t link it at the time because I was on my phone..

Ffery – (if you were town) and think that I am scum, and you think Syr is town, (and unless I’m reading this wrong) then that only allows Amrun as my partner?
Seeing as everyone else is confirmed (you and Kats through Amrun) That leaves just me…and i highly doubt it's a solo scum left, so she would have to be lying about someone being confirmed, or she would have to be scum herself… So logically you shouldn’t have any problems with lynching Amrun today, right?

Also, Syrana is correct…scum would have to have fake claims, given that Antagon flipped as “Demise”… So her playing it off as “it doesn’t mean you are town” isn’t really valid..and the fact that she didn’t investigate her top scum read last night doesn’t even make sense…why would she worry about a Katsuki mislynch, if she thought she could catch scum THAT night? Again, if she really thought the whole “it doesn’t mean you are town” thing, then how would that apply to her saying that she was worrying about stopping a mislynch on Kats? It wouldn’t…
Also noted is that Amrun has not been quick-lynched and neither has Syryana..
So either Syrana is scum on Amrun’s wagon, or Amrun is scum on Syr’s wagon…and i really doubt it's the former...
I’m running out of the office in just a few minutes to take some customers out and will check in a bit later (well before deadline) and place my vote on Amrun..

[fferyllt]

@SOO: You claimed PR a few days ago. Have you had any results of any kind since? You haven't claimed anything in days...

Unfortunately, there hasn’t been a whole lot to claim, really…
N1 I tried to inhale Psyduck and failed.
N2 I tried to inhale Psyduck and failed.
N3 I tried to inhale Magic Urn and succeeded
N4 I used my ability on Zdenek
N5 I tried to inhale Mr I

Why zdenek on N4?

Why did you appeal to your scum read to back you up about this?

You are the only living player that was in the game with me…whether or not you are scum doesn’t really matter here, as it would look pretty silly for you to say “that’s not true!” when it can easily be linked and shown..i couldn’t link it at the time because I was on my phone..

I thought you oversimplified the nature of the suspicion on you in that game a bit, but it's mild and possibly benign since the game is easy to link to.

Ffery – (if you were town) and think that I am scum, and you think Syr is town, (and unless I’m reading this wrong) then that only allows Amrun as my partner?
Seeing as everyone else is confirmed (you and Kats through Amrun) That leaves just me…and i highly doubt it's a solo scum left, so she would have to be lying about someone being confirmed, or she would have to be scum herself… So logically you shouldn’t have any problems with lynching Amrun today, right?

Syr is a big question mark in my mind. I've read him as town in every single game we have played together (with the exception of the game where I was scum and knew for sure he was town) and I have been correct. He's mostly had correct reads on me. Playing as a hydra does mean that we've gained some insight into what the other thinks, but doesn't post, and that could be contributing to his pretty much ongoing suspicion of me. And could be contributing to my increasing paranoia about him.

Also, Syrana is correct…scum would have to have fake claims, given that Antagon flipped as “Demise”… So her playing it off as “it doesn’t mean you are town” isn’t really valid..and the fact that she didn’t investigate her top scum read last night doesn’t even make sense…why would she worry about a Katsuki mislynch, if she thought she could catch scum THAT night? Again, if she really thought the whole “it doesn’t mean you are town” thing, then how would that apply to her saying that she was worrying about stopping a mislynch on Kats? It wouldn’t…

It should be pretty clear that I don't have a warm fuzzy about Amrun, unless I'm just dreaming about making posts over the weekend.

Also noted is that Amrun has not been quick-lynched and neither has Syryana..
So either Syrana is scum on Amrun’s wagon, or Amrun is scum on Syr’s wagon…and i really doubt it's the former...

But, if either of them are town, then surely a 1-2 quickhammer would have already happened. So, is it 1 scum? If it's two, are they unable to coordinate?

I’m running out of the office in just a few minutes to take some customers out and will check in a bit later (well before deadline) and place my vote on Amrun..

Maybe this is part of the coordination difficulty.

I'm most likely going to vote for you or Amrun. I don't know which yet.

[fferyllt]

He's mostly had correct reads on me

"mostly". Though certainly not all game every game, in both our cases.

[Katsuki]

I'm still not sure what to think and will put more thought into this game when I get back.

I really dislike how neither if these PRs are confirmable and it urks me greatly.

[fferyllt]

I'm still not sure what to think and will put more thought into this game when I get back.

I really dislike how neither if these PRs are confirmable and it urks me greatly.

gah. Does a one-PR town even make sense?

[Amrun]

Syryana, I didn't investigate Katsuki because I had. Scum read on him. I investigated him because I had a TOWN read on him.

Still, during the tiger attack, I attacked Katsuki as scum. It didn't last terribly long.

Soo, I DON'T think flavor names clear anyone but people are treating it that way and I thought it would be best to throw my weight into protecting Katsuki. To be honest, I expected a large push on Katsuki today. Not sure if its me that waylaid it but either way I am pleased. If town can't be prevented from lynching a town read, I don't even have a chance to lynch my scum read.

[Vi]

~Vote Count LIX

Amrun (1) ~ Syryana
Syryana (1) ~ Amrun

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Katsuki,

(Amrun,)

sword_of_omens

--With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
--Deadline is 07:45 EDT on July 9, 2013.

(This is your last day!)

[Syryana]

Also, Syrana is correct…scum would have to have fake claims, given that Antagon flipped as “Demise”… So her playing it off as “it doesn’t mean you are town” isn’t really valid..and the fact that she didn’t investigate her top scum read last night doesn’t even make sense…why would she worry about a Katsuki mislynch, if she thought she could catch scum THAT night? Again, if she really thought the whole “it doesn’t mean you are town” thing, then how would that apply to her saying that she was worrying about stopping a mislynch on Kats? It wouldn’t…
Also noted is that Amrun has not been quick-lynched and neither has Syryana..
So either Syrana is scum on Amrun’s wagon, or Amrun is scum on Syr’s wagon…and i really doubt it's the former...
I’m running out of the office in just a few minutes to take some customers out and will check in a bit later (well before deadline) and place my vote on Amrun..

Hallelujah, someone reads my posts!

Syr is a big question mark in my mind. I've read him as town in every single game we have played together (with the exception of the game where I was scum and knew for sure he was town) and I have been correct. He's mostly had correct reads on me. Playing as a hydra does mean that we've gained some insight into what the other thinks, but doesn't post, and that could be contributing to his pretty much ongoing suspicion of me. And could be contributing to my increasing paranoia about him.

When did you start getting paranoid about me? Last I looked I was your top townread. What happened?

But, if either of them are town, then surely a 1-2 quickhammer would have already happened. So, is it 1 scum? If it's two, are they unable to coordinate?

Are you being deliberately obtuse or what? The only way a scum quickhammer could occur is if both Amrun and I are town. If it is scum on town (which most everyone seems to believe and who is what alignment is currently the raging debate) then one scum is voting a townie and one townie is voting a scum. So if that is the case it is impossible for a scum quickhammer to happen as there is no townie voting a townie.

As for the coordination thing, considering you, Katsuki and SOO have all posted at some length since the me/Amrun crossvote, it is highly unlikely that some scum combination of two of the three of you couldn't engineer a quickhammer (assuming of course that both Amrun and I are town). Katsuki and SOO were posting roughly around the same time yesterDay, and I know you're around practically 24/7 so you could work with either of their schedules.

I'm most likely going to vote for you or Amrun. I don't know which yet.

Any lynch that is not either Amrun or myself is not happening toDay. We don't have leisure for diversions at this point.

Syryana, I didn't investigate Katsuki because I had. Scum read on him. I investigated him because I had a TOWN read on him.

Still, during the tiger attack, I attacked Katsuki as scum. It didn't last terribly long.

Soo, I DON'T think flavor names clear anyone but people are treating it that way and I thought it would be best to throw my weight into protecting Katsuki. To be honest, I expected a large push on Katsuki today. Not sure if its me that waylaid it but either way I am pleased. If town can't be prevented from lynching a town read, I don't even have a chance to lynch my scum read.

This makes even less sense than investigating Katsuki because you thought she was scum.

[Amrun]

As much as Syryana is scum, he's right. No lynch besides me or him happens today, period.