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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:46 am

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In post 424, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 288, Grimgroove wrote:
In post 149, AngryPidgeon wrote:
P-P-edit:
She really did call herself likely town for the plan
and then defend the plan by pointing to "experience". That is not town motivated.
Part in bold: Not true.
The rest: Don't agree.
Yes, she did:
In post 94, Amrun wrote:In fact, traditionally, such suggestions are made far more often by town
Grim is not commenting on my alignment but soft-agrees with Venmar's 'case' on me and implies I'm blatantly misrepping events in the thread. I'm basically down to lynch that with no questions asked right now.
In post 524, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 473, pirate mollie wrote:also since when did I become a scum read of yours cos this is the first time I have heard about it. why aren't you asking me questions or interacting with me?
I'm right over here when you figure this answer out for yourself.
In post 474, Amrun wrote:I said what he did was fucking terrible and anti-town.
Im still not seeing any points from you other than
-Majiffy sucks for being anti-town
In post 474, Amrun wrote:Even challenging someone who more people suspected (like AP's group) would have been marginally better.
-Subtly apologizing for your Majiffy vote for when he almost definitely flips town, but alas he has to go.

You can't tell me you aren't PLing him when you CLEARLY are pretending to be PLing him. Thats scummy as balls that you would deny it on the technicality that you never used the words "PL".
In post 477, Venmar wrote:
Vote: Strangercoug
This vote is dazzling, Venmar. Just sheep me on to Grimgroove, just sheeeeep.
In post 478, Grimgroove wrote:but I don't like the way you're presenting yourself as my knight in shining armor coming to my rescue. The "blood of righteousness"-comment really made it look like that, and it comes eerily close to buddying.
Distance from Amrun all you want. I will remain steadfast.
In post 479, Grimgroove wrote:Does Nobody Special know he is participating in this game?
Who cares, hes a lurksack and hes not lynchable atm. This is a prime example of someone doing something to appear pro-town that actually has no motivation behind it.

This is really REALLY obvious guys.
In post 528, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 499, Grimgroove wrote:On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.
That was a joke. This is some REALLY horrifying justification for Amrun's point.

Amrun's point that Majiffy expected a nice quick ML on Grim with no questions asked. Which as Wisdom points out, there really was not THAT much support for.

And even if it did go through, its freaking NIGHTLESS MOUNTAINOUS. Do you still think Majiffy would risk taking a super easy ML and not worry about potential backlash from looking anti-town and aggressively MLing someone in a game like this?
In post 533, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 483, Amrun wrote:Mollie, did Majiffy tell you he was going to challenge before he did it?
She already addressed this. But pretending to not read clearly makes you scum. And really I know someone who was raging and omgusy about the challenge would definitely remember reading that tidbit.

But you are pretending that Majiffy was a scumread all along now, so.
In post 486, Amrun wrote:I think he expected his lovely newbie wagon just to fall into place. I find him scummy for it.
Ok, first time you've been willing to say Majiffy is likely scum.

And really? Rushing out the gates with a challenge is more likely from town for obvious reasons.

I would argue he may do it as scum BECAUSE its such a strong town tell.
In post 521, Amrun wrote:I have explained it, and quite thoroughly -- not in those posts, but in others which you are pretending to have read but have not.
Rofl. Yes Majiffy is scummy for organizing a lynch on Grim which has no notable support. Just handwave that away after Wisdom points it out. And the fact that Majiffy is likely trading himself for a townie at BEST in that hypothetical scenario. Totally makes sense for him to be doing that as scum. And you explained it ONCE. Thats IT. Everything else is QQ about Majiffy ruining your game which is obviously bullshit in light of your other posting.
In post 510, Amrun wrote:Grim, yes, I now have a town read on you. Have for quite some time. Thought that was obvious.
This was not obvious at all.

@Grim: Burden of proof, fuck that. You are both individually scummy.

Window edit: BUT YOU WERE DEFENDING AMRUN's STANCE. YOU WERE TELLING WISDOM THAT THERE WAS CREDIBLE REASON TO BELIEVE AMRUN'S THEORY RIGHT HERE:
In post 499, Grimgroove wrote:
In post 494, Wisdom wrote:He didn't.
And Majiffy cannot read your QT.
Therefore, no. There were no suspicions on Grimgroove for Majiffy to count on.
AngryPidgeon did.
And pirate_mollie didn't seem to like me very much, Majiffy confirmed they were talking about me in their QT.

On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.
Which is so only barely peripherally relevant anyways. You are defending Amrun here lightly and now saying you weren't. WTF were you doing if not saying that Amrun's hocus-pocus had merit when she was in the process of just handwaving away Wisdom's point?
About my association with Amrun.

I thought it was scummy because he was using an associative tell to paint me off as scummy, without having seen either of us flip. And that was all he had on me. This was his case.

Nobody Special I think is town, his last post seemed genuine enough to me. Instead of pointing to a random other person in the other lynchpool and try tog et this person lynched instead of himself,h e admits to not having any clear reads. I can relate.

Venmar, well, I'd love to see his case. He seemed tob e trolling for a long time,b ut his challenge puts this in a new light. My gut tells me he's town though.

My strongest scumreads right now are Amrun, Elyse and AngryPidgeon. Those three are followed by SafetyDance and enomis.
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:47 am

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Those quotes weren't supposed to be there, forgot to delete them, though I guess they provide context :p
The above was simply a reply to Wisdom's last questions.
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:56 am

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It scares me that I agree too much with your scumreads
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:58 am

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Both Elyse and Amrun are voting AP. Do you think they're both bussing?
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:02 am

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I think that my strongest scumread is enomis however. I just read his ISO and it's all kinds of terrible.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:08 am

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Right now I think: enomis/AP/Amrun/{Safety or Elyse} with Safety more likely than Elyse.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:10 am

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I guess it's unlikely that two scumbdus would bus one together.
Just checked Elyse's ISO of recents posts, there are what stood out for me:
In post 804, Elyse wrote:I've played with AP once and he was much more active and persuasive in the other game. He was always scumhunting and pushed good, legit cases and he was confident. He was town. Here, I'm seeing the opposite, on top of what Amrun said.

But why are you against voting AP? Do you have a townread on him or something? Amrun posted a good list of reasons to vote AP, yet you ask if it is just how he plays and continue voting NS who hasn't done anything. Why?
I don't find the reasoning very convinving in this case. Ok, I agree with the fact that his case on me was pretty bad, but to me he did come off as active and trying to be persuasive, showing confidence. It is not the opposite of what Elyse descirbes as his townplay.
In post 863, Elyse wrote:@Grim
You said "AP has been wrong all game." Can you show where he's wrong?
I wonder why she asked me this question, considering she earlier said herself his cases are not good and not legit.
In post 755, Elyse wrote:
In post 745, Amrun wrote:Fuck you, honestly. I don't know why v/la is such a fucking difficult concept for people to grasp. Maybe if I was irresponsible and just didn't post for over a week people would fucking understand.

Trying to paint my infrequent phone posting as scummy when it's public knowledge I'm not around for this time frame is scummy as fuck.
Where did this come from? I didn't see anyone saying you were scummy for infrequent posting (I might have missed it). You aren't even posting infrequently.

@Wisdom
Amrun is probably town.

I think it's Grim/NS/AP/{Safety Dance, enomis}
Those reads throw me off a bit. There's some overlap with mine, that's probably why.

I DON'T KNOW!

Damn. Nothing makes sense. Why couldn't SC just flip scum and make this thing easier?
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:44 am

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The pool of players eligible to be lynched today consists of:


AngryPidgeon
Venmar

Nobody Special
Wisdom


Here are the current votes:


AngryPidgeon (4) - Elyse, Majiffy, Amrun, Wisdom
Wisdom (1) - Venmar
Nobody Special (1) - AngryPidgeon
Venmar (0) -

Not Voting (5) - enomis, pirate mollie, SafetyDance, Nobody Special, Grimgroove

With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch.
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:48 am

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Any word on the orange and purple QT's? It's strangely silent when it comes to those.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:51 am

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In post 814, Wisdom wrote:If it helps, NS asked me "Why are you so defensive with Amrun, have you not played with her before?" (regarding what happened towards the beginning of the game with the plan etc), then he realized I haven't and said so. I asked him if Amrun usually suggests plans like this and he said that she does.
That's what has happened in our QT more or less, since he's as active there as he is here.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:14 am

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Neither Venmar nor I have posted anything substantive.

I just post here if Im making posts.

And Im not because Im way fucking behind. Seriously reading after work.

Wisdom is very likely town though and I'd rather lynch NS than Venmar.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:31 am

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VOTE: Nobody Special

Even if only to spur him towards more content. He can't stay in hiding forever.

Don't have an especially strong townread on any of the four anymore. AngryPidgeon is my preference, but not enough to put him at L-1 already. Elyse and amrun on his wagon aren't exactly reassuring either.
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:34 am

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Venmar, you aren't trying to hop on the issuing-challenges-randomly-for-towncred bandwagon are you?
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:39 am

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In post 886, Grimgroove wrote:Even if only to spur him towards more content. He can't stay in hiding forever.
Ya, he can. Its NS.

Ugh Actually I don't think NS is scum. I fund it unlikely he fence-sits about everyone bar majiffy in his 'official' catchup post as scum.

This lynchpool is shit and Venmar should feel bad. Unless hes scum. Either way Im just going to ISO Venmar and see how I feel about that later.

I'd consider NS lynch a policy/lurker lynch but I have a light town read on him after reading his ISO.
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:44 am

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In post 880, Wisdom wrote:AP/Amrun
Your scum list is terrible because Im in it.

If you think Amrun and I have been cross bussing for no reason since D1 then you need to reevaluate your life choices.

Also Im town as fuck and werent YOU hopping on the AP's Amrun case is shitty wagon?
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:00 am

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In post 889, AngryPidgeon wrote:If you think Amrun and I have been cross bussing for no reason since D1 then you need to reevaluate your life choices.
You can cross bus all you want when the votes don't matter until there's a challenge. That's the trick.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:04 am

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I blame venmar tbh. I see why mollie was pissed off firsthand now.

Do you think Amrun is scummy regardless of my flip?
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:07 am

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All the scumreads I listed are individual, yeah.
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:16 am

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Grims NS vote still scummy as shit. You dont vote for pressure and admit to doing it since that kills the purpose.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:17 am

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You arent bussing NS just a little, are you Grim?
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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:21 am

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If he doesn't provide content he's the scummiest of the bunch and should be lynched for it.

As soon as he does provide content, I'll evaluate him based on that.

I don't see how it kills "the purpose". The purpose is to make him deliver content. Tell me how my vote or my reasons for it are standing in the way of achieving this?
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:24 am

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P.S.
In post 547, AngryPidgeon wrote: Yes, assign scum motive to whatever Im doing.

Get your head out of your ass.
Listen to your words of wisdom!
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:28 am

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In post 895, Grimgroove wrote:If he doesn't provide content he's the scummiest of the bunch and should be lynched for it.
Do you really put stock in lurking as a scum-tell?

Basically, this is where Im at.

Majiffy, and Wisdom are strong townreads.
NS, Mollie and SD look townish.

Amrun is fucking scum. Grim is likely scum. Venmar/Enomis/Elyse are PoE scum.

Grim, what is your current read on Amrun?

If I'm wrong about one of my town reads, its probably safety dance.

P-edit: Cheeky! Ok Grim lets dance. UNVOTE: , VOTE: AP

Summarize your opinion on me.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:30 am

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Lets talk about me Grim, NS is fucking BORING.
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:31 am

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And really a read on NS that amounts to "hes scummy for lurking" just means you've never read any NS game.

I can't fault you for bad logic, but NS is a distraction from people who are actually probable scum so lets fucking talk.
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