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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:30 pm

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Searching for a replacement for Malakittens.

So sorry to hear about your loss.



So sorry Mala if there is anything I can do you know how to get a hold of me, anything at all even if it is just to be there for you honey HUGS ---Rach
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:31 pm

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Sorry for your loss, Mala. Hope you're ok.
In post 613, talah wrote:@Grey: Another reason why I'm (effectively) voting you. You do not defend yourself as town. At all. You do not bother saying why the things you are doing, are supposed to be town motivated. You seem to have me down as scum based on events from aeons ago.
You'll notice that I do not actually care if people flag me as scum.


So why aren't you defending yourself? I expect some kind of answer to this considering I just took you off L-1.
This post is scum mentality. Town is trying to go after scum while the main goal of scum is self-preservation. The fact that the only thing your predecessor did was try to save himself (a trait that you took up for quite some time after replacing in,) is one of the big reasons for my scum read on you.

As for the bold part...are you kidding me? Re-read this post:
talah wrote:
*** Freezer, somewhat important

When you get back to your read-through can you do me a huge favour and not focus 'too too' much on my own actions in regards to feedback on players?
Don't avoid commenting on my posts by any means, but...

You will find out why this needs to be weighted later, suffice to say for now that:
- A lot of what you say has been said before
- Take a squiz at the activity list
- You're reading a train-wreck in the making at the point you got up to

Take my posts with a grain of salt please? Hearing about myself again doesn't help me much

VOTE: Now everyone else post!
Does this sound like someone who doesn't care about how he is perceived?

If I'm lynched today, I hope Town finally starts to seriously look at you. It'd be a bit interesting that you'll have been a major player on two Town lynches.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:48 pm

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Okay. Well I will have a closer look at what you are saying later tonight and address your arguments either individually or as part of the case I will make before hammering.

Touching on a couple of points:
  • 'scum mentality' is a broad generalisation and I disagree strongly with your argument or the application thereof. Town wincon is as much to stay alive as a scum wincon. Difference is town need to find the scum. And they need to be able to say why they think they have, and convince the rest of town
  • I slightly like that you've made a bit of an attempt to flesh out your arguments for me as scum
  • I never said that 'I don't care how I am perceived'. I said I don't care when people flag me as scum. Look at Fropome's grand entrance as an example. I really liked that because I couldn't believe he could come in and make such a strong argument that I was scummy, so I instantly believed that he was town. He couldn't make that argument without being town and get away with it. (Or he might be able to, idk.) But it didn't seem like something someone scummy would do. So I read him as town.
  • I *do* get concerned when people start to vote or get a wagon up on me, because I need to do what I can to prevent a mislynch. Whether the circumstances demand attack or defense, either is fine. I have nothing to hide.
  • I still don't see much actual defence from you however. You don't want to justify your own votes or behaviour except from very brief throwaway lines, I have been saying this for some time now.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:29 pm

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TheIrishPope replaces Malakittens effective immediately.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:39 pm

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Hi everyone
Will read tomorrow because work :(
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:56 pm

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Why, hello the irish pope. I've never seen this guy before. haha just kidding.

Where did hyper go?

Can we get a VC NS?
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:11 pm

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Vote Count 2.03


Greywing - 2 - Gen_Wolf, Hyperion
GuyInFreezer - 1 - Greywing
Hyperion - 2 - talah, jmo16mla



Not Voting
GuyInFreezer, TheIrishPope



With 7 it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-14 00:53:31)



Hyperion has been prodded.

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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:39 pm

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Welcome, TheIrishPope.

So Grey I had a bit of a reread of your latest post and have the following feedback:

You bolded just the bit you were interested in attacking. Below bolded is what I want you to respond to:
In post 613, talah wrote:
@Grey: Another reason why I'm (effectively) voting you. You do not defend yourself as town. At all. You do not bother saying why the things you are doing, are supposed to be town motivated. You seem to have me down as scum based on events from aeons ago.
You'll notice that I do not actually care if people flag me as scum.

So why aren't you defending yourself? I expect some kind of answer to this considering I just took you off L-1.
This is the
exact opposite
of what you bolded. You ignored my criticism and appeal for explanation in its entirety, and latched on to my comment about myself as something you could attack.
Greywing wrote: If I'm lynched today, I hope Town finally starts to seriously look at you.
It'd be a bit interesting that you'll have been a major player on two Town lynches.
Please explain how I was a major player in Tybalt's lynch if that's your 'Imma flip Town guise' argument.

And you can have the vote back. It's not doing anything sitting on Hyper.
VOTE: Grey
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:41 pm

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That's L-1
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:05 am

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Whow whow whow, good thing I checked in but we shouldn't put anyone at L-1 right now
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:23 am

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K I'm back and will read soon
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:26 pm

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... but it doesn't mean you guys shouldn't post
Read about 5 pages, and checked the day 1 lynch and HOLY SHIT a hammer without a claim is a policy lynch, no exceptions
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:06 pm

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Niceone Mr Pope!

The universe was stopped pending your and Freezer's input. But Grey was too obviously scummy to wait methinks.

Inclination would be trying to get info from jmo, for tomorrow.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:58 pm

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Anyways, some twilight banter and talky-talky encouragement.

@TheIrishPope, I like your style. My mum reads these threads and has said you're absolutely brilliant to follow. I've read half a dozen of your posts... the one you just did is enough to confirm that as true heheh

Do you have a preferred nick?

Anyways as a heads-up the way this thread has usually gone is, I post stupidly or ragepost without thinking too much, or 'feeling' out scum, (or honestly thinking I'm doing a good job) and then spam the thread with explanations, and then get worried I'm spamming, and then tell everyone I'll slow down on posting. Most of the time this involves me talking about me. People attack or question my motives and I respond, and that's how information is gathered. Gen is a bit of an exception as he subbed in and has a good balance of talk / wait. But generally I'm happy to talk shit because I know that I'm actually pretty good at explaining what's going on with me. When I eventually play scum in one of these games, this is going to kill my meta.

@GuyInFreezer, I'm liking calling you Freezer.. likewise, preferred nick for you? I'd hate to be posting GID (and TIP), but if that's what's good then good good.

Also, no need to clam up at this point. We still need to figure out the other scum and jmo is by no means a sure thing, but I don't like how he's playing possum now. 'My reads are dust' of Post 563 as an example. There are other options available too.. but every argument initially made, stands, even after my revelation of Post 461. The Grey buddying does nothing much to allay suspicions here.

@Grey, GG. I think you are proficient as scum - come back and do a 'bad call I was town lynch talah' post please :))
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:30 pm

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I can see arguments for your slot too
IrishPope
. Mala had not interacted with a lot of other people although she had a lot of games going on and the conversation started to carry itself. The thing I found a bit unnerving was the series of questions just after Day 2 started which seemed to contain accusatory conclusions in their premise. Not sure if scummy... or good scumhunting. A lot of what I'd said was confusing at the time. And Mala seemed to be making reads based on meta.. but those questions never addressed my main concerna about limited communications with other players.

Mothrax
similarly didn't say much and there is a potential conflict between him reading Grey, talah (me!), and jmo as scum, then coming back later and saying her Grey scumread was based on Grey's responses.... (his last post I think). It's a pretty slim lead and the only other weak suspicion is that an early scumread of Grey (voting jmo later), might have been some kind of distancing ploy.

Hyper
's been a bit baffling too. He's either explained well or not explained at all... and it looks like he'll be replaced now. I dunno what's going on with him much, but using X, Y Z was opportunistic as a reason to lynch someone is far far too simplistic for my liking. Even if it works 47.85 percent of the time (or whatever). But he voted Grey and seemed to be semi-flaking, so maybe that was his contribution. I also really liked Fropome's entrance, who Hyper replaced.

Gen
. Well I think I like Gen unless he's pulling some smooth moves. Thing is we really have come to a few similar conclusions with different timings based on different aspects. I can see the thinking here. Also Tybalt (who Gen replaced) showed a true intent to scumhunt in at least one of his few early posts that I remember.

Think that's pretty much it.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:31 pm

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edit: Gen replaced
Thane
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:26 am

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In post 636, TheIrishPope wrote:... but it doesn't mean you guys shouldn't post
Read about 5 pages, and checked the day 1 lynch and HOLY SHIT a hammer without a claim is a policy lynch, no exceptions
VOTE: Grey
And you didn't want to wait for lurking guy in a freezer to post his thoughts?
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:29 am

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Lastly: corrections and addendum.

I love quad / quin posts.

Don't discount Gen or anyone else. Anyone could be scum. If it's not quite obvious yet I expect to get nightkilled and am writing my last requests.

Mothrax, of course, actually should be stated as
Freezer
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You guys will have to question really fearlessly to win the game for us. Scum don't WIFOM, right?

VOTE: jmo for tomorrow. Start contributing or making scumreads pl0x mr jaymo
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:31 am

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heheh I actually <3 jmo, but that's "irregardless" of scum
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:34 am

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Well, if grey flips town, I'd hope you wouldn't vote me. If you aren't scum, the remaining two scum can vote me and "quick hammer" resulting in a loss.
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:37 am

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if grey flips town though you are the only choice I've bound myself to and I'd have to vote you.... If grey flips town I have to defend the fuck out of myself cause if I get voted town loses....
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:40 am

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or are we in lylo then.. in which case I vote no one.......
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:41 am

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I dont like hyper and freezer flying under the radar. Talah you are very confident tomorrow is happening, something you would like to share?

ninjad. i believe tomorrow is lylo
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:42 am

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ah i was being silly, i thought one scum was dead already but that was my other game sorry. error apologies.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:46 am

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In post 636, TheIrishPope wrote:... but it doesn't mean you guys shouldn't post
Read about 5 pages, and checked the day 1 lynch and HOLY SHIT a hammer without a claim is a policy lynch, no exceptions
VOTE: Grey
And yet you just did the exact same thing.

Anyways, I'm VT. Good luck Town. I still think our scum team is 2 of Talah/Gen/GIF.
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