NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[BulbaFenix]

Well it's poor, imo, to not even consider the NKs when making such an early vote.

Nonsense? Why is it nonsense? You are indeed in my scum pool, and you are indeed voting without an explanation. And I am indeed thinking it's sketchy. So it's far from nonsene.

This FOS at zdenek is equally directed at bulba, by the way. I don't want anyone to think I'm singling zdenek out for something bulba has done too.

And don't worry, he'll respond in due time. If I recall correctly during our conversation, we both agree that Stevie is still a person of interest on our scum list. After having interaction with ProHawk, we both came together and agreed that we were getting a town vibe from him.

-Fenix

[Serene]

Daykill: Zdenek

Let's hope I'm right..

Also can we stop with the dayvig reaction test already? It's really fucking dumb and needs to be killed with fire.

it's one of my pet peeves



also dayvigs are explicitly non-normal which makes it obviously not real

[dramonic]

also dayvigs are explicitly non-normal which makes it obviously not real

wait really?
DAMMIT

[Serene]

also dayvigs are explicitly non-normal which makes it obviously not real

wait really?
DAMMIT

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop,

Blank Vig

, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

[Serene]

i fucked up the quote tags but you get the idea

[dramonic]

blank vig is unknown zero-shot vig, nothing to do with dayvigging...

[KingCrabd]

Dayvig is explicitly NORMAL.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vig

[Serene]

huh i'll be damned

[DOMO]

At the other site I play at, we bold "lynch x", it's a habit I drift into sometimes.

vote - BRO

Your entrance today was horrible and if Stevie flips scum you get to eat rope tomorrow. Zdenek is obvtown beyond belief.

How the fuck does stevie scum = domo scum? Because I accused those who voted for him today of lacking town motivation? This has me thinking you're bussing him and hoping the stevie scumflip gets me lynched.

dayvig gambits suck. Has anyone ever been caught by one?

[dramonic]

Well, some dayvigs aren't gambits!

[Serene]

dayvig gambits suck. Has anyone ever been caught by one?

no but i once saw town fake a dayvig gambit and then get counterclaimed by the actual dayvig who proved it by shooting a third player

that third player was bulletproof scum

[DOMO]

dayvig gambits suck. Has anyone ever been caught by one?

no but i once saw town fake a dayvig gambit and then get counterclaimed by the actual dayvig who proved it by shooting a third player

that third player was bulletproof scum

lol

Why is zdenek town serene?

[BulbaFenix]

Any reasons for voting Stevie? Any info of any kind?

See d1. Also if Stevie flips scum, I'm coming after you so hard. That statement can essentially be translated to: "My scumbuddy's under fire so early, and I don't know why!"

Looks like we're multiball, if either were vigged then we have a bad vig imo.

Actually, I assumed that TIP was a vig. kill, as it doesn't serve mafia or SK to kill him (chaos), and I can see a vig. being unsure about his alignment.

Also, if we discover this is multiball, DOMO needs to be speed lynched, because this would essentially be him showing an overeagerness to gain towncred by hunting the other team.

I see zdenek and bulba have both voted and neither look like they have considered how the night kills might effect their reads. There's some basic town motivation lacking right there. Neither explain their stevie vote, or comment on the mislynch which they were both part of. Dodgy as fuck.

The kills didn't tell me anything. TIP looked like an obv. vig. kill, and ProHawk was clearly starting to hit his stride at the end of d1, so it may just be a case of scum wanting avoid dealing with a sharp scumhunter. Besides, initial reactions to NKs are classic WIFOM, and scum tend to react to them a lot as a way to look town.

This FOS at zdenek is equally directed at bulba, by the way. I don't want anyone to think I'm singling zdenek out for something bulba has done too.

So you realize you are selective scumhunting, and then go "Oh, and I'm also FoSing Bulba." so that you don't get called out for selective scumhunting?

Anyway, I finished those ISOs, and hawk had a boner for BRO and kingcrabd. TIP was throwing a lot of suspicion around and seemed like obvtown to me so that kill makes a lot of sense. But the hawk kill is interesting. If BRO had a hand in it, then I would naturally question why I didn't get killed instead. Maybe prohawk was closer than me. BRO scumflip + hawk NK looks bad for kingcrabd imo, and probably good for cephrir, since doc was my other main scumread from d1.

So much WIFOM...

Unvote

Vote DOMO

[BulbaFenix]

-Bulba (in case you didn't know)

[DOMO]

I'm selective scumhunting? You and zdenek are the only two people, at that point, who had thrown a reasonless vote down. How exactly is that selective scumhunting? Who's my vote on bulba? Yeah, neither you nor zdenek. Thus, I'm not exactly pursuing this one line of investigation.

And if we're multiball, I get speedlynched? That sounds like someone lining up a mislynch after it becomes obvious.

vote - bulbafenix

I'm happy with you, BRO or zdenek. I hope the dayvig wasn't a gambit, though I totally expect it to be.

[BROseidon]

How the fuck does stevie scum = domo scum? Because I accused those who voted for him today of lacking town motivation? This has me thinking you're bussing him and hoping the stevie scumflip gets me lynched.

You're trying to derail his lynch, hard, and on flimsy ground. If Stevie is scum, there is a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of scum motivation in there, and the flimsy ground part makes the action feel intentional.

And yes, he and I have been hard bussing each other from like page 2. Obviously. /sarcasm off

Also wtf why would you propose multiball when a vig and sk are both viable options? Are you intentionally being obtuse?

pedit: DAYVIG KILLS LIKE THAT ARE ALMOST ALWAYS FUCKING GAMBITS CAN WE STOP GIVING THEM EVEN ANY AMOUNT OF PLAUSIBILITY SO THAT PEOPLE WILL STOP DOING THEM ALREADY.

[Rift Adrift]

I'm selective scumhunting? You and zdenek are the only two people, at that point, who had thrown a reasonless vote down. How exactly is that selective scumhunting? Who's my vote on bulba? Yeah, neither you nor zdenek. Thus, I'm not exactly pursuing this one line of investigation.

And if we're multiball, I get speedlynched? That sounds like someone lining up a mislynch after it becomes obvious.

vote - bulbafenix

I'm happy with you, BRO or zdenek. I hope the dayvig wasn't a gambit, though I totally expect it to be.

You're reacting all over the landscape.

[DOMO]

Also wtf why would you propose multiball when a vig and sk are both viable options? Are you intentionally being obtuse?

I'd consider a SK to be multiball, sure SK is viable.

imo, the TIP kill is not the work of a vig, because he looked obvtown to me. Equally, hawk feels like a poor vig target. So we're probably facing multiple scum teams, it's the assumption I'm working on. If I'm wrong, well does that make me town? Of course not. So how does me being right make me scum? It doesn't. bulba's attack is weak, and is an attempt to get me killed when it's obvious. Your comment that I die if stevie flips scum is also weak, could be another attempt to get me lynched later. You guys really want me lynched huh?

I like how my speculation gets more interest than bulba and zdenek not commenting on night actions at all.

[BulbaFenix]

I'm selective scumhunting? You and zdenek are the only two people, at that point, who had thrown a reasonless vote down. How exactly is that selective scumhunting? Who's my vote on bulba? Yeah, neither you nor zdenek. Thus, I'm not exactly pursuing this one line of investigation.

I wouldn't exactly call our vote reasonless. Our hydra has thought Stevie was scum since d1, and we've explained why.

As for the selective scumhunting, you were solely pursuing Zdenek, until you realized that you had only been pursuing him, when you threw out "And FoS on Bulba too, in case anyone thinks I'm only singling out one person.". This reads more like scum protecting his butt, rather than town pushing his scumspects.

And if we're multiball, I get speedlynched? That sounds like someone lining up a mislynch after it becomes obvious.

The problem was that we have no clue that it's multiball, since SK or a vig. are viable options as well, in fact, in many ways they make more sense. However, you were quick to jump on the "We're in multiball" train, which tells me that you're likely scum on one of the teams who is eager to make his scumhunting the other team look as towny as possible.

-Bulba

P-edit: Look, fake paranoia and deflection!

[BulbaFenix]

Blast it, Bulba, sniped me

-Fenix

[DOMO]

The problem was that we have no clue that it's multiball, since SK or a vig. are viable options as well, in fact, in many ways they make more sense. However, you were quick to jump on the "We're in multiball" train, which tells me that you're likely scum on one of the teams who is eager to make his scumhunting the other team look as towny as possible.

I already said, when I said multiball, I was considering SK too. Vig does not seem likely to me. The people who are painting this as a scumtell are those I'm targetting. I don't intend to argue with scum about my motivations. Die please.

[Cephrir]

Also wtf why would you propose multiball when a vig and sk are both viable options? Are you intentionally being obtuse?

I like how my speculation gets more interest than bulba and zdenek not commenting on night actions at all.

They weren't really worth commenting on? All that can really be learned from them is "we may or may not have a vig" which is hardly rocket science. Don't understand why you're still hung up on this.

[Cephrir]

I'm selective scumhunting? You and zdenek are the only two people, at that point, who had thrown a reasonless vote down. How exactly is that selective scumhunting? Who's my vote on bulba? Yeah, neither you nor zdenek. Thus, I'm not exactly pursuing this one line of investigation.

And if we're multiball, I get speedlynched? That sounds like someone lining up a mislynch after it becomes obvious.

vote - bulbafenix

I'm happy with you, BRO or zdenek. I hope the dayvig wasn't a gambit, though I totally expect it to be.

Reasons for both those votes would be abundantly clear to anyone who was paying attention.

Thanks for reminding me to look at the Bulba wagon from yesterday. They still don't look bad to me at all.

[BulbaFenix]

Vote Count 1-10

(as of Post 1288)

BulbaFenix (5)

- Calcifer, Rift Adrift, Serene, dramonic, TheIrishPope

StevieT92 (4)

- Nero, The Goat, Zdenek, BulbaFenix

BROseidon (3)

- ProHawk, Brian Hollywood, DOMO

Shadi1337 (1)

- T S O

Zdenek (1)

- StevieT92

Nero (1)

- Doc Holliday

The Goat (1)

- TMTOLBTWNTOF

StubbsKVM (1)

- Baby Spice

Not Voting (7)

- BROseidon, Ankamius, orcinus_theoriginal, StubbsKVM, Shadi1337, KingCrabd, Metal Sonic

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch

Deadline:

Wednesday, July 8, 2013 at 3pm Central Time.

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

Doc Holliday (ongoing)

V/LAs:

None

Vote Count 1-11

(as of Post 1328)

BulbaFenix (5)

- Calcifer, Rift Adrift, Serene, dramonic, TheIrishPope

StevieT92 (5)

- Nero, The Goat, Zdenek, BulbaFenix, StubbsKVM

BROseidon (3)

- ProHawk, Brian Hollywood, DOMO

Shadi1337 (1)

- T S O

Zdenek (1)

- StevieT92

Nero (1)

- Doc Holliday

The Goat (1)

- TMTOLBTWNTOF

StubbsKVM (1)

- Baby Spice

Not Voting (6)

- BROseidon, Ankamius, orcinus_theoriginal, Shadi1337, KingCrabd, Metal Sonic

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch

Deadline:

Wednesday, July 8, 2013 at 3pm Central Time.

Replacing:

Doc Holliday

Prods:

T S O
The Goat

V/LAs:

None

I'm selective scumhunting? You and zdenek are the only two people, at that point, who had thrown a reasonless vote down. How exactly is that selective scumhunting? Who's my vote on bulba? Yeah, neither you nor zdenek. Thus, I'm not exactly pursuing this one line of investigation.

And if we're multiball, I get speedlynched? That sounds like someone lining up a mislynch after it becomes obvious.

vote - bulbafenix

I'm happy with you, BRO or zdenek. I hope the dayvig wasn't a gambit, though I totally expect it to be.

Reasons for both those votes would be abundantly clear to anyone who was paying attention.

Thanks for reminding me to look at the Bulba wagon from yesterday. They still don't look bad to me at all.

Quoted the votes from day 1 where we had a wagon. TIP flipped town and the only one who stayed on the wagon was calcifer.

[The Goat]

vote: Stevie

Serene, after reading through the later stages of D1, I'd prefer that you try to behave a lot more pro-town. Thanks in advance.