Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[Katsuki]

It got left out, but for D2, 2 players did not vote, both of which were town.

[Syryana]

I'll read the conclusion in the morning. Good night.

[Katsuki]

So...

Right now whats notable for me is the D1 wagon. Antagon was an easy lynch, yet only 1 scumbuddy bussed. ALSO, WE ARE STILL MISSING A VOTE HERE, WHICH MAKES IT EVEN MORE CURIOUS. Oh which reminds me the Amrun case on hp that he was from another scumteam yadayada. Antagon was on the counter-wagon as is to be expected, but if SOO is town, scum had fun not doing anything in particular. I'm not the type of player to do so, but re-reading D1 with these end-VCs in mind would probably be helpful.

D2 tells us scum mislynched hp.

D3 is where things are really interesting. I was the leading wagon with all town voting me, yet the day somehow ended on implosion. I voted for him to prevent no-lynch and also because a lynch on me is more undesirable, though I'm regretting that now as implosion would be much more useful here than I am.

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Nothing really interesting after other than FFREY BARELY VOTES!!! Just noticed that and it is strange and interesting. I don't really have much useful things to say though. I hope this VC helps with re-reading and reanalyzing the game.

[Katsuki]

All in all.. I have no idea who outside of Amrun is scum. ^^

[Katsuki]

(the above is clearly a lie pls kill me tonight)

[fferyllt]

fucking lil dashes.

pjo knew my character was in the game. I think he knew it was me, too. He defended me at least a couple times while he was active on day 1.

Can you elaborate on this?? Why would pjo know who YOUR character was D1...

In two of his posts on day 1, he said something about "lil dashes". At the time he made those posts, I thought he was referring to Rainbow Dash and I thought that his role had something to do with my character. He also indicated that he was reading me as town.

I thought it was probably role-pm knowledge because there had been no obvious night zero.

When Amrun indicated she had a scum read of me, and was considering voting me on day 3, I challenged her about pjo's posts. She waited until the next day to do a full claim. Her claim doesn't account for pjo's "lil dashes" posts.

[Vi]

~Vote Count LXI

Amrun (3) ~ Syryana, sword_of_omens, fferyllt
Syryana (1) ~ Amrun

Not Voting:

(fferyllt,)

Katsuki,

(sword_of_omens)

--With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
--Deadline is 07:45 EDT on July 9, 2013.

(This is your last day!)

[Vi]

Please hold until I come back from work. Sorry for the delay.

Unfitting Hold Music

[Vi]

Sorry about the delay.

And so the group of five finally, desperately murdered one more of their own... who turned out to be more or less exactly who they said they were.

--- Amrun ---

Tarhalindur, Captain Hazama over Mafia

,

Abyss Flavor Oracle

--- Lynched Day 6!!!

And so the stage was set for a final showdown.

--- Syryana --- Sanae Hanekoma (from The World Ends With You),

Town Doublevoter

--- Impaled Night 6...

~Vote Count LXII

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Katsuki,

(Amrun,)

sword_of_omens,

(Syryana)

-It is now Day 7.

--With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.
--Deadline is 18:30 EDT on July 12, 2013.

(Only got 3 days left)

[fferyllt]

Pjo. "lil dashes".

I think it's Katsuki. Rereading SoO's day 4 was as close to a warm fuzzy as I'm likely to get.

[sword_of_omens]

alirght...well it looks like i have a lot of reading to do...
i'm going to go back and do a full re-read, and then most likely as a lot of questions...
unfortunately it will have to be done tomorrow, as i am leaving work in about an hour or so...

[fferyllt]

Pjovik, Swords, katsuki

Town:
1) enomis

4) Katsuki

5) MattP
6) mrbungle

9) sword_of_omens

10) Syryana
11) Tammy
8) Pjovek
12) Tierce

Mafia:
3) implosion
7) Oversoul

13) Whimsical Eggplant

14) Zachrulez

Third Party:

2) fferyllt

15) Zdenek


I am never wrong.

He put Whimsical Eggplant in the scum pile of his first post. I've bolded the living players.

16 First lil dash, asking for people's universes.

61 Katsuki's 2nd RVS vote is Whimsical. (first was MattP)

64 After bungle suggests lynching me, katsuki says Whimsical first.

101 Katsuki asks Matt how fun it would be to be scum with Amrun

107 When enomis asked Katsuki's thoughts on Whimsical Eggplant she said

I wonder.

hint: I wonder.

112 He replies to a bunch of people. This is the post with the scum QT thing that looked sorta like a town tell. Then at the bottom almost as an afterthought he asks this.

@Katsuki, do you like playing scum?
yes/no question.

148 Katsuki answers Pjo's question "Depends on the quality of my scumbuddies"

149 Answer's Syryana's question about the MattP/Whimsical "scumslip"

I wonder.

What do you think of Mattp and the slip from Whimsical that Enomis pointed out?

Skimmed, didn't bother reading it in depth. Doesn't matter since I already had him down as scum.

Don't really care to state my thoughts on matt. Not to you at least.

150 Says he'll be sad if he has to abandon the Whimsywagon early.

174 He votes swords (an unsupported vote - did we talk about this? we sure made a lot of hash over bungle's unsupported vote on me)

191 Votes whimsical. L-1. There follows the convo with me about it not being L-2.



213 Chides me for the unvote of whimsical, spoiling the game of chicken.

217 Pushes Swords as a good day 1 lynch.

219 Calls swords, whimsical and implosion scum, claims I'm town because I (think I) had the post count at that point in the game. Whimsical wagon was at L-2, and he was on it.

220, 221 - advocates swords again because "promising to lurk"

255 Swords' huge case and Pjovik vote.

285 Pjovik makes case for spam. No reaction at all to the Swords case.

322 Katsuki pushes back at Tierce for her concern about Whimsy being pushed to L-1 so quickly.

336 Pushes for an early lynch

357, 360 Pjo pushes Antagon after he replaces in.

480 Katsuki pushes against MattP counterwagon, but wants to instalynch him if Antagon flips scum.

540 Still pushing Whimsy over Matt.

583 Swords isn't sure about the Antagon lynch. But doesn't think Matt is scum either. Defends his pjo scum read.

608 Katsuki wants to know why Atagon's role claim looks like a scum pr claim gone wrong.

611 More scum PR gone wrong.

726 Katsuki complains about lynches dragging on

727 Swords defends pjo case among other things

At this point pjo was being replaced by Amrun

( 749 Antagon's reads list. he has katsuki leaning scum and pjo/Amrun leaning town) 752 katsuki derides reasons for scum read)

Will switch to an Amrun/Swords/Katsuki ISO next.

General thoughts - pjo bussed Whimsical Eggplant early and bussed hard. His soft-push of Swords as an alternative lynch doesn't feel like a bus. He never changed his vote, though. I am not sure what to make of his completely ignoring Sword's case. Seems odd to totally ignore your scumbuddy making a case, though. His interactions with Katsuki are much lighter and less antagonistic.

He was buddying the crap out of me. :/ Even when I mistook L-1 for L-2 he called it out but didn't press it to full advantage.

[Katsuki]

Wonderful.

So this was the redacted part to my VC analysis:

I however don't see scum-SOO trying to create a new wagon when he could've just easily voted me what with there being no scum on the wagon in the first place. Syry and ffrey jumped on rather fast if I remember correctly (probably should reread this part too).

[Katsuki]

I'm willing to stall this day out but I think the above says all that needs to be said.

Already posted my once-in-a-year giant post last night.

[Katsuki]

OH ALSO #1580 is still pretty much bad and I'll explain it when I get back from dota with molla but pjo pretty much scumslipped.

[fferyllt]

Amrun/Swords/Katsuki

794 katsuki volunteers to hammer Antagon

795 Amrun says Antagon is scummy but wants to wait a night before killing him. jesus.

802 Swords unvotes Pjo/Amrun, and votes...hp leaves

803 katsuki calls him down. 804 Swords asks why 806 He says he gets what katsuki is saying...but seems not to realize that hp_leaves = MrBungles, which was katsuki's point?

811 Amrun now calling Antagon wrong-town

812 Amrun calls Tierce down for unvoting zachrules. No comment about her voting me instead.

813 Katsuki calls Amrun "town enough". This feels natural to me.

815 Calls Tierce down for asking me to explain my town reads.

855 katsuki votes MattP. trajectory for this vote originated on day 1.

883 Amrun votes hp_leaves, advances 2 scum team theory

889 katsuki comments on Vi games and Tar always being there and always being scum

902 Amrun comments she'd vote me if she had 2 votes. Wasn't sure what to make of it after the "lil dashes" but wanted to trust her as a town PR of some sort. :/

905 Amrun replies to me about SoO. "Nothing jumps out at me as scummy from soo. Seems fairly standard soo town play to me, at least so far. I'm usually better at reading him in context a little later in the game due to his very minimal play style."

919 Swords responds to my post about him:

Yes, Pjo and you were my top picks at the start of the day yesterday…I especially didn’t like the way you and Bungles interacted..and if you look on that same reads list you would notice that Bungles’ name was directly above yours..i explained how this did not seem like his town game at all… considering I just came from one with him and that you were in that same game, you should have noticed the difference too… His one liner posts were not normal for him… Once he was replaced by hp, I did try and question him as I wanted to try and get a read on his slot and he seemed to be evading the question…

And yes, I did vote for him yesterday…but I don’t see how you think it came out of nowhere...the deadline was approaching and I couldn’t get anyone to vote Pjo with me…

The only 2 wagons that were viable at the time were Antagon’s and hp’s… i had reservations about Antagon, as I normally like to play it safe, so preferrably did not want to vote him

…and hp was a good vote..his pred’s actions weren’t his normal town, and hp's posts weren't much beyond trying to line up lynches…when he did answer my question, he said that Pjo was town but he still hadn’t read you, which also seemed a bit convenient… not to mention that his flip would also give me better insight on you..if he did flip scum, then I would bet even money that you were his buddy…

Goes on to vote hp.

1028 Challenges me on my Bungles town read using late game day meta from another game to compare to very early game day meta in this game.

1101 katsuki agrees with Tierce that Amrun is applying selective scumminess

1158 Amrun jumps o zdenek's question to Syr about why he backed off me after day 2.

1168 Sword votes implosion. what happened to his pjo/bungles/ffery triumvirate of evil?

1170 Amrun votes me, which messes in all sorts of ways with my Pjo-as-PR assumptions.

1177 I call Amrun out, and ask her what Pjo meant by his "lil dashes" comment.

1184 Amrun wants to know why I am digging for her role

1185 I tell her that I thought Pjo was referrig to my role iin those posts. 1186, 1187, 1188 more back and forth

1189

Well, those lil dashes are a big part of why I was reading him (and hence you) as town. I have no idea how or why he'd know that my character is in the game, but I trusted his low key approach and answered it.

And you apparently had no idea any of that went on, and are scum-reading me, which makes me think I was completely wrong about his posts. It's a big enough deal that I want it on the table.

1190 Amrun: "Why would that make you read him town?!"

1191 My mantra about parnaoia and trust

1124 Amrun votes me day 4.

1232 Amrun's dashed hopes for the day 1 lynch

1233 Amrun is for mass character claim

1268 Amrun votes Syr while thinking I am the scummier. 1209 3rd choice is oversoul

1270 I vote Amrun

1274 *headdesk* I had Amrun. And on the next page I let her go all "PR MYSTERY STUFF" in 1276 and I backed off.

1291 katsuki's set-up spec.

1329SoO backs off me again, advances argument that if I were scum, then Amrun would be dead early in the game over the lil dashes stuff. FoSes Amrun. FoSes Katsuki.

1340 Katsuki's take on Amrun, which is confused.

1361 SoO reacts to zdenek noticing his mix up of night kills night 2/3. Looks a little flaily

1368 Katsuki's final reads the day she was leading the lynch. Another sincere post.

1378 Amrun confirms rainbow dash is in the game.

1385 SoO asks people to unvote. This sounded townie to me.

1386, 1387 katsuki makes syryana, oversoul scum team case.

1390 Amrun votes Syryana. I am not a thing any more.

1428 Swords casts doubt on Amrun's role being town.

1465 Day 5 SoO is back to the Amrun/me scum team.

1495 Day 5 SoO explains he voted Amrun over me on day 5 because of being burned by scum role cops in the past.

I'm not going to do this for Day 6. It's short and easy to reread.

Unlike day 1, the later days where Amrun was in the game, Katsuki's play feels townish. So many posts come off sincere and confident and unworried even as she was under pressure.

SoO's play was more iffy and back and forth. I think my blowing the lid off the Pjo/Amrun breadcrumbs and Amrun being kinda cornered into "investigating" me (scare quotes are because I believe I was actually investigated on N0), I became a more difficult mislynch to push, at least for a while. Amrun had to drop it.

Absolutely sucks that I'm here at LYLO though.

And Amrun also became more lynchable when that role had to be claimed, and I think ultimately that's what led to her lynch on day 6. Shame on me for backing away on day 5 when she was inexplicably still FoSing voting me after I pushed her about the lil dashes.

It's late and I'm rambling. I don't know how much sense this even makes.

I'm undecided, but leaning in the direction of Katsuki being town.

[fferyllt]

I'm willing to stall this day out but I think the above says all that needs to be said.

Already posted my once-in-a-year giant post last night.

If town loses this because I am mislynched, it's totally my fault. Rereading the thread with the knowledge of Amrun's flip, I can't believe I didn't go after Amrun for all I was worth on day 4. Her scumreading me after Pjo's little dashes posts were a clear sign that there had been a tactical change, or a dropped baton.

[Katsuki]

That's not why it's bad though. :S

Pjo somehow knew that YOU were rainbowdash, which should not be possible without role info. Tammy only knew that Zdenek's role was in the game, but not WHO.

AKA... yeah...

[Katsuki]

Welp, convince me why SOO is scum then if you're leaning town on me.

[fferyllt]

well, in rereading the thing that stood out about him was his changing reads and illogical scumread order.

Day 1, he was going after Pjo when nearly everyone else was consumed with the Antagon wagon and the suspicions swirling around MattP. And Pjo was soft-pushing SoO while keeping his vote on Antagon. At first I thought that was a sign that Pjo was trying to prepare an alternate wagon in case Antagon's wagon faded. Now I'm not sure. And I wonder if the lynch could have gone that direction at all given the suspicions around MattP and me.

And the fact that although he suspected me almost every game day until day 4/5 IIRC, when Amrun's role was a little precarious because of Pjo's "lil dashes" comments plus pushing me for lynch day 2/3. That was when SoO started scumreading the Pjo/Amrunslot again. The trajectory on his votes - how he laid down his suspicions in advance, or even in the same post - his reads were confused looking. I was the more suspcious, but he voted hp-leaves because of a theory that bungles and I were scum together. And the same with Amrun - I was the more suspicious but he voted Amrun.

And then there was the post where he either confused the night kill order or mixed up player names. Zdenek called him out on that and his reaction read as almost panicky.

[fferyllt]

I'm still not sure what to think and will put more thought into this game when I get back.

I really dislike how neither if these PRs are confirmable and it urks me greatly.

gah. Does a one-PR town even make sense?

Why not? I've run a 13p game with nothing but town PRs that were essentially "fruit vendors" vs scum godfather and strongman.

If SoO is scum, then this question is still pretty important. We know that town had a vig and a double voter. Scum had whatever the hell Amrun was. And a weak JOAT?

Or would town have vig/double voter/weak joat?

[fferyllt]

fucking lil dashes.

pjo knew my character was in the game. I think he knew it was me, too. He defended me at least a couple times while he was active on day 1.

Can you elaborate on this?? Why would pjo know who YOUR character was D1...

Amrun confirmed that Pjo had a night zero action, and she claimed that pjo investigated his own universe and learned that only his character from that universe is in the game.

But, he left 2 breadcrumbs that I thought pertained to my character - Rainbow Dash. In two of his day 2 posts he mentioned "lil dash"'s It could be pure coincidence, but I don't think so. Especially not since Amrun was scum. I think he was buddying me. And it worked. I saw the breadcrumbs and thought he was town and knew something about me, especially when he kept townreading me while other players were FoSing/voting me. It wasn't until Amrun said she wanted to vote me on day 3 that I had a serious WTF moment and challenged her to explain Pjo's breadcrumbs.

[Katsuki]

Hmm... now why are you town?

[fferyllt]

Can I ask you the same? It's been a bit of a leap. I've depended on other players reading you as town. Mostly Zdenek and Syr. We hardly interacted at all for most of the game, and I mostly get reads though conversation.

I'll write up what I think points to my being town in the next few.

[fferyllt]

And Syr's read moved around a lot, which has kept my thoughts about you in flux the last two game days or so.