Newbie 1393 Game Over

[FuDuzn]

Ah ok, thanks for explaining chainsawing and wk(I have heard of white knighting before).

But again, I feel as if you are nitpicking his posts in an attempt to discredit. He proposes a theory based on factual info we have gained, like 'hey guys, how about we look at this?'.

And when he doesn't give a solid response you will just keep badgering him about it how he couldn't deliver. You are trying to strongarm him so his scum hunting looks weak.

[notscience]

I'm nitpicking because it's little tidbits I find interesting.

I still want to know his other prospect, and look at what danny said earlier.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Danny do you really think Feel It was pushing me? As I don"t. In fact his attention to me was minimal and of no pressure yo me. Even your rather weak case here that you are trying to build seems pretty poor in comparison. Now with regard to your observation concerning my quotes of your fluff, so? Sk you feel threatened by them? I think not, and as for not commenting afterwards, I was actually waiting to see your response and that is now duly noted.Finally, your reputation? What reputation?

If I had to pick one person Feel It was pushing it would be you and I think that's pretty obvious. In fact I think he was the only one to push you so despite his pressure being "minimal" if it was the only pressure why not prune the vine before it has a chance to grow at all? Everyone has a reputation in this game, being an IC generally means you're afforded more respect from the new players whether it's warranted or not. Yours was the sort of play I'd make to damage someone's credibility so that the other players would be less likely to listen to them.

Then who is the other scum if they wanted Feel it off their back?

Notscience, why do you continue to badger HC about him bringing up good analysis? It is like you are trying to discredit him because he hasn't figured out the scum team yet.
VOTE: notscience

Completely opposite take, HC isn't bringing up good analysis, he's bringing up what could be good analysis if he refined it a little and thought about it instead of just pushing it out the front door. And that's why he's likely town there's no neat plan he's pushing it's the jumbled thoughts of someone trying to fit things together.

[Smudger]

Smudger went in pretty hard on Feel It and while that in of itself is not indicative of scum, it's worth looking at since Feel It was night killed and revealed to be town.

this is understandable but then so did you on mvm. in fact you basically lead the charge so to speak to for the lynch, lets have a look now shall we:

104 you ask the question to all regarding a possible mvm lynch, granted that you make a valid reason regarding activity but then you continue to push this vote: 132 140 183 184 213 223

but then you sort of contradict yourself in 160 where you say

This is actually a fairly good point in my opinion. I can understand wanting the lurkers to post more, but why would you not vote for the person you think is the scummiest?

but then you do not really offer any indication at all about who you find scummy other than mvm because of inactivity. Something else I have noticed about your play, you are keen to ensure we understand that you are new to forum games and repeatedly mention it. you begin in 29, then continue 63, 76, 94

which is all well and good but your ISO would not tend to support your apparent inexperience, as when reading through it seems you are more experienced than you may be leading us to believe

We almost fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go for a no lynch on the first day! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this is also apparent in 76, then there is this little outburst

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

no one actually picked you up for it t the time but it seems relevant now as it is overly aggressive when taken into comparison with what was said. Then there is the flip flop responses to people and the on off buddying that is going on, and general fluff, but no real scum hunting. It is also very obvious you are being selective. there is a group of players that you are subtly asking questions about that group is primarily Dessew, DDP and now me.

I have a theory, as I know my alignment then I am going to guess that Dessew and DDP are town, and you are not. I am also now leaning towards the conclusion that notscience knows this also, as what interaction there is between you is looking staged to me:

In post 114, notscience wrote:
HC, why the need for an apology?

What are you asking about specifically? If you are referring to the no-lynch, I back tracked and saw that you posted that you didn't like no-lynch, and that was one of my main reasons for placing a vote on you. Having inserted foot into mouth, I apologized for accusing you of wanting the no-lynch.

Also notscience, in reviewing the posts I saw in your own answers to your questions you posted that you did not like a no lynch, so that is my bad on accusing you of going for the no lynch.

and while you did vote him at one stage, which is in fact your first vote and a possible subconscious recognition of a buddy, as I understand it, but while not a scumtell, a thing that newbie scum tend to do. It is also noteworthy that you do qualify that its a temporary vote

I am very new to forum posting stuff, so hopefully this turns out all right...

Vote: notscience

I agree he has been posting frequently while saying very little. For now, I am going to vote for him. I was just waiting to see what developed bandwagon-wise, etc.

which is distancing IMO. and this is such a scummy post

Sorry Feel It

Let's backtrack and look at who he was suspecting, now that we know he was townie.

VOTE: HopefullyCynical

[Smudger]

Everyone has a reputation in this game, being an IC generally means you're afforded more respect from the new players whether it's warranted or not. Yours was the sort of play I'd make to damage someone's credibility so that the other players would be less likely to listen to them.

I disagree, I stated what I saw and believed, if you feel that your reputation has been tarnished then please do point out where and then maybe I can explain it to you as I do not see any disrespect of oyur position as an IC in this game. In addition whether you are an IC or not you can still be scum, That said based on my current thoughts I am leaning town on you. see previous post

[HopefullyCynical]

Well Smudger, it's ironic you placed the vote on me, because I think you and notscience are the scum.

Smudger and notscience have been buddies since the beginning of this game. Back in post (92) notscience is masquerading as a scumhunter. He asks Smudger for his opinions and tells, knowing Smudger is his scum buddy so it looks like he's an active townie.

You accuse me of gunning for mvm, which I did. What you neglect to mention is that notscience was the one who first pointed out mvm's absence and I joined the bandwagon. See post (114) on page 5.

notscience has had it out for me since the start of the game, and you've backed him up on almost every account, including this one.

You and notscience are ignoring the fact that we've gained information from Feel It and mvm's flips, and that you were gunning hard for Feel It. I have a strong feeling you are trying to flip the blame on me since I fingered you. Leaning towards the conclusion that you and notscience have decided to off me next is more like it.

Also post 83 was simply a Princess Bride reference, don't read too much into it. And in post (132) I was (mis)quoting DDP's reference to Goodfellas, it was not an outburst. Hence my inexperience in forum-based mafia.

I'm going to wait to hear the responses on this, but I am going to place a vote on either you or notscience.

[Smudger]

You accuse me of gunning for mvm, which I did. What you neglect to mention is that notscience was the one who first pointed out mvm's absence and I joined the bandwagon. See post (114) on page 5.

I think when you count the number 104 comes before the number 114... so you are lying now?

[Smudger]

You accuse me of gunning for mvm, which I did.

and that you were gunning hard for Feel It.

the difference is what exactly?

[Smudger]

you've backed him up on almost every account, including this one.

do just say it show me where, if I was gunning after feel it sooo hard, why would I even glance at you? again a contradiction...

[Smudger]

Leaning towards the conclusion that you and notscience have decided to off me next is more like it.

In part this is true, I am looking to lynch you, you will have to ask notscience in the QT what his intentions are....

[Smudger]

but I am going to place a vote on either you or notscience.

go for it..

[Smudger]

you've backed him up on almost every account, including this one.

dont

just say it show me where, if I was gunning after

Feel It

sooo hard, why would I even glance at you? again a contradiction...

fixed

[HopefullyCynical]

I never said there was a difference. The only thing is that you were after Feel It for a long time, as far back as post 100. As for the lynch on mvm, just because I said that we should lynch doesn't mean that I was the first one to imply it. notscience in post 114 says that I sheeped him, which means he went for mvm first.

I already provided an instance of you and him buddying up in post 92. Waaaay back in the beginning of the game, when Dessew and notscience had a debate that basically amounted to nothing, whose side were you on? notsciences. See post 49.

As for your post 283, of course you wouldn't look at me before. That was because Feel It was still alive. Now you are free to come for me, like you are. Unless I misread your post.

This is easily the most aggressive you have been all game as well, you practically pounced on me as soon as notscience pointed out a potential scumtell, whereas before you didn't even mention me.

[Smudger]

I never said there was a difference. The only thing is that you were after Feel It for a long time, as far back as post 100. As for the lynch on mvm, just because I said that we should lynch doesn't mean that I was the first one to imply it. notscience in post 114 says that I sheeped him, which means he went for mvm first.

I already provided an instance of you and him buddying up in post 92. Waaaay back in the beginning of the game, when Dessew and notscience had a debate that basically amounted to nothing, whose side were you on? notsciences. See post 49.

As for your post 283, of course you wouldn't look at me before. That was because Feel It was still alive. Now you are free to come for me, like you are. Unless I misread your post.

This is easily the most aggressive you have been all game as well, you practically pounced on me as soon as notscience pointed out a potential scumtell, whereas before you didn't even mention me.

your responses since the beginning of D2 have made me look at you and your ISO. Your opening D2 post was so full of fake town concern it is actually quite sad. Yes I am getting more aggressive, why?, We are moving on and it is time this game got going. IMO so far you have not said anything that would convince me otherwise. So why not address each of the points I have raised and provide a counter argument other than the negativity that you are currently spouting.

[HopefullyCynical]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm providing evidence for why you are scum to the other players. I've provided plenty of points against you and notscience, so far I've cited a post in every one of my responses so far. You can't look at this past exchange and say "why not address each of the points I have raised" when I have done exactly that.

[Smudger]

OK not a problem

I never said there was a difference. The only thing is that you were after Feel It for a long time, as far back as post 100. As for the lynch on mvm, just because I said that we should lynch doesn't mean that I was the first one to imply it. notscience in post 114 says that I sheeped him, which means he went for mvm first.

you were the first to mention a lynch of mvm. where you not?, notscience merely pushed him to be active.

I already provided an instance of you and him buddying up in post 92. Waaaay back in the beginning of the game, when Dessew and notscience had a debate that basically amounted to nothing, whose side were you on? notsciences. See post 49.

which side am I taking, I actually do not see me taking sides, what I see is me expressing an opinion, one that you actually agreed with in 59, and again more so here 86after my response in 85.

As for your post 283, of course you wouldn't look at me before. That was because Feel It was still alive. Now you are free to come for me, like you are. Unless I misread your post.

this is laughable to be honest.

[Z7-852]

Well back from weekend. Didn't really have energy to write/read during weekend or monday. 17 hour work days really suck the life out of you. Now I will dig into this game fully.

First about our two flips. First

mvmafia

. He wasn't really active and didn't have have much interaction with other players. Mostly he was attacking me or DDDP. He also voted FuDuzn and Smudger but wasn't really active during D1 so I cannot read much on this. I still think it's better to lynch useless town person than have no-lynch.

Feel it

on the other hand was active. He made some slips that dropped him down in my Scumometer (tm) but on the other hand I have found that most scums actually try to remain neutral and can therefor be found in Null-listed players. Feel it was attacking notscience mostly. So I will have to watch him more carefully. Maybe Feel it was onto something and needed to be silenced.
Both

Smudger

and Notscience were skeptic about Feel during D1 and Smudger even voted him twice. But I would say here that Smudger would be too obvious target and scapegoat to be a scum. This actually make Smudger a towner that before in my books.

Notscience

really attacked DDDP (#250) without really solid case. Also he attacked (#255) HopefullyCynical because he felt sorry that Feel it was lynched. That wasn't a big deal and it felt like notscience took it bit harsh. I agree that little things count (#260) but that's just little to much.

HopefullyCynical

is a newbie player so it's unreasonable to expect (#277) him to have solid and refined analysis about game. Currently he is giving a solid town vibe. He is clearly trying to scumhunt and is actually doing quite well in it.

Still little fuzzy after the weekend but let's go with this
VOTE: Notscience

Scumometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical < Dessew < FuDuzn < Smudger < DDDP < notscience

[notscience]

That's strange Z7, I'm pretty sure I was leaning town last scummometer.

Changing your tune to match the fotm I see.

HC, there you go. You answered my question. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Not to mention, "he doesn't have a real solid case" and then look at Z7's against me. It's laughable.

VOTE: Z7

Severe OMGUS can be found in this post

[HopefullyCynical]

Once again Smudger, if you are so keen on insisting that I was the one that pushed for a lynch, notscience says I sheeped him in the post I've provided two times now. I don't know what else you want from me, especially since notscience has clearly read my posts and made no attempts to dispute this.

notscience, it seems like the majority of your posts come down to accusing someone of sheeping yourself or someone else sheeping another player. As for the scumometer, you were always neutral.

Severe omgus? Compared to your posts 65, 66, 68, and 73 back on page 3? Especially since this recent vote of yours is just a reaction to Z's.


"this is laughable to be honest." -Smudger, post 290
"look at Z7's against me. It's laughable." -notscience, post 292

You guys copy/pasting each other now? I get that everybody's case against you and Smudger is laughable, pathetic, etc. Do you either of you have anything actually substantial?

VOTE: notscience

I don't mind voting for either notscience or Smudger at this point, as I think both of them are scum.

[notscience]

Hey look guys, L-1 shortly into Day 2!

IF this doesn't blow up scumpushed wagon in anyone's head then this game is fucked.

[notscience]

What makes it better is, I don't have a townread on ANYONE voting me currently.

[notscience]

When I say severe omgus I was talking about my own, you clearly don't take a joke

so, here's the question. Is there 1 stupid townie on me, or 2 stupid townies on me?

[FuDuzn]

When I say severe omgus I was talking about my own, you clearly don't take a joke

so, here's the question. Is there 1 stupid townie on me, or 2 stupid townies on me?

See you are making my point here, notscience. All you have been doing is trying to discredit people when you don't like the direction they are going in, in this case voting for you. It is natural to get defensive with votes on you, but you aren't providing any substance to why votes on you are stupid or providing any substance on who would be a better lynch besides you. All it is from you is 'people who are voing me are dumb' and then nothing else.

[notscience]

Lets see

1) I'm town
2) Scum know I'm town
3) 3 people are voting me out of the 6 whose alignment I don't know, and 2/6 are Scum.

Math dictates that there are scum on my wagon.

[notscience]

You want reasonings behind my claims?

All your reasonings are total shit.

None of them are remotely decent reasons for someone to be L-1 this far into the day.