Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

The hard part now is I don't know which of my four scumreads is wrong.

Summary of Purple Parrot QT:
-I ask NS if he's town
-He says he is and asks me if I am
-I say I am
-Later he says that he's catching up and he's reading page3; he asks me why I am so defensive with Amrun, and if I have not played with her before.
-He realizes I haven't and states it.
-I confirm I haven't and ask him why that's important, does she always suggest plans or something?
-He says that yes, she usually does.
-I ask him if he has any other thoughts from the first pages
-He says he arrived at page 7, he hates the bickering, not really other thoughts
-Later he says that he's busy because of RL, he has skimmed the thread and he has seen the (first) challenge. He says that he will need to ISO people.
-I ask him later if he caught up yet, and if he has any thoughts on the wagons (D1's wagons)

And that's all, there's no answer to that.

[Amrun]

Yeah but that's a classic scum tactic (use a ns associative tell to implicate partner, oh woops person a flipped town so guess it doesn't apy to person b teehee). Still, eh.

Need to do some analysis but can't right this second. Who interacted with the ns wagon in what way will be very telling.

P-edit: he said I usually do? That's p odd because it isn't true. It's not an odd thing for me to do, but most games don't require plans...

[Wisdom]

P-edit: he said I usually do? That's p odd because it isn't true. It's not an odd thing for me to do, but most games don't require plans...

That only makes you look worse then, because that means NS wanted me to townread you.

[Venmar]

I got an idea on a couple candidates for scum, but I wanna think them over for now.

Going to go buy some bread.

[Amrun]

P-edit: he said I usually do? That's p odd because it isn't true. It's not an odd thing for me to do, but most games don't require plans...

That only makes you look worse then, because that means NS wanted me to townread you.

That's a pretty elementary way to look at it, but me telling you why is useless.

Maybe he did, or maybe he just had weird wording. Because I certainly have proposed mother plans both recently and in the past.

Can you say the exact wording?

[Wisdom]

It's what I said in the summary.

[Amrun]

If you had said that earlier I might have had a legit scum read on ns haha. Basically I think he did want you to read me as town, if it wasn't just wonky wording, but for a different reason -- I usually err on the side of town when it comes to ns.

[Majiffy]

Rofl

VOTE: SafetyDance

[Wisdom]

Anyway, if I had to state who I find the least scummy, I'd say Elyse. Her questions to me about why NS will flip town seemed like she genuinely didn't know what NS is flipping. She even went "YOU KNOW WHAT, IF NS FLIPS TOWN THEN YOU ARE THE FOURTH SCUM" which I don't see scum that know NS is not flipping town doing. Sure, her echoing and sheeping annoys me, and I see it as scum behavior, but I cannot discard the possibility that she's just lazy, skims the thread, gets the general idea from what I am saying, then presents similar ideas, even without realizing she's echoing.

The other three look very scummy to me.
enomis - His ISO just reminds me of how he played in Polygamy (in which he lurked and ended up replacing out, and his few posts were centered around a certain person and a supposed "scumslip" that person did. Similarly here, his posts have been focused around one certain point, how my play looks like my play in Polygamy (ironic, isn't it), which he has mentioned like 4 times. No content otherwise, no reads, and a scummy "he's scum, lynch him" push on Coug without reasoning.
Amrun - NS only acknowledged two people in this game, Majiffy and Amrun. More so on Majiffy, and the way he did so shows they're obviously not partners. However that little comment about how Amrun hammered on D1 looked more like how someone would talk to a partner (then again they have daytalk, so I don't see the need, but still). And then there's also his attempt to make me stop pushing Amrun by telling me that I'm defensive with her and that she suggests plans all the time. Also, there's her behavior around the AP fake-hammer; while it looked to me that she was going along with Venmar's plan and I stated that I find her obvtown for that, she had no issues with that and only admitted that she did not know it's a fake hammer after Grimgroove spotted evidence that she did not know.
Safety - His catchup post was weird, he included Majiffy (and NS, notably) in his scumteam speculation without any apparent reason other than "Majiffy scumreads me in every game". He commented on nothing that was happening, and his attempt to give a scumteam speculation looks to me like an attempt to look useful (since others were doing it too).

I think I prefer one of the former two, namely enomis or Amrun for today.
For now, I'll go with
VOTE: enomis

[AngryPidgeon]

If I called ns scum when I hammered he would have flipped town >.>

Im wondering if it really is just lurkscumteam this game. Sometimes it really is that simple.

^ Goodposting. Leaning emomis but I wanna do this right today.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh elyse is in this pool, :/

Who else thinks shes scum?

[Majiffy]

Elyse has a good chance of flipping scum. Safety has a better chance.

[Amrun]

Wisdom, come on, I know you know how to read better than that. I didn't know why you said I was obvtown, but since I am town, it didn't seem odd to me -- but more importantly, I said that BEFORE grim posted anything. And "evidence I didn't know?" Are you legit retarded? It was my own posts!


Unrelated, I'm most inclined to vote safety today, and then enomis.

[Elyse]

VOTE: SafetyDance

Idc if it's him or enomis, but SD said something in the QT that might make his lynch better.

He was like "Is it even possible for two scum to share a QT?" so if he's scum it might mean that no two scum are teammates.

[Wisdom]

I don't see it.
Here Amrun admits to not knowing the hammer was fake, so how was she part of the reaction test?

But see, mollie, up until the point of the hammer,

now supposedly fake

, I was rethinking, even though he never once addressed my issues with him without trying to address seething else I wasn't even talking about. His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

All this energy wasted on calling me a retard could have easily been used with simply explaining or pointing me to where this Amrun-reaction test happened instead of being dicks about it.

So I missed some stuff. SUE ME!

Call me a retard or scum or both, but at least one of those will be rebuked sooner or later and at least one of them will be thrown back in your face as a result.

I didn't know the hammer was fake. For the record.

But asking me to explain someone's else statement is just crazypants.

You said it right after Grim found your post that showed you didn't know.
You posted before that and said absolutely nothing about me townreading you because of your supposed participation in the reaction test.

[Wisdom]

He was like "Is it even possible for two scum to share a QT?" so if he's scum it might mean that no two scum are teammates.

I don't get how what he said means that. Wanna explain it to me?

[Wisdom]

Just noting;
Both Amrun and Elyse want to lynch Safety and Enomis, Safety first.

[Elyse]

I can quote the QT right

[Wisdom]

Paraphrase it just to be safe, I guess.

[Elyse]

Ok.

So I was like "I'll assume you're town and I'll post my thoughts because I'm not going to give you that much anyway if you're scum."

And then Safety was like "Well if you're town that would turn this into a Mason pairing I think and that would make it easier. Not sure on numbers what the likelihood would be. I should read the OP but can a mafia pair even in a QT like this be possible? 12 players, 6 teams, 3-4 scum, so two all-town teams?"

It seems to me like he's working off the assumption that scum aren't doubled up in teams, which he would know if he was scum.

[Wisdom]

Or possibly he knew that there's a pairing with 2 scum and asked the question anyway to appear town. If he knew there's no pairing with 2 scum I don't see why he would specifically make this question.

Did that happen at the beginning of the game?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya elyse is scum.

All that quote proves is that sd never read the rules.

[Elyse]

Or possibly he knew that there's a pairing with 2 scum and asked the question anyway to appear town. If he knew there's no pairing with 2 scum I don't see why he would specifically make this question.

Did that happen at the beginning of the game?

Yeah. And it seemed like he was trying to play dumb to me.

Ya elyse is scum.

All that quote proves is that sd never read the rules.

When are you going to actually give reasons besides just repeating yourself over and over?

[Wisdom]

Yeah. So I can see the scenario where Safety-scum knows there's a 2scum pairing (enomis & Amrun), and exactly because he has this knowledge in mind he thinks of that question to ask, in order to appear town. So if anything, I think that points to the existence of 2scum pairing rather than the opposite, given Safety is scum ofc.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, why could town SD not think that?i dont see compelling "scum motive" for him to say it.