Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[AngryPidgeon]

So you show up with a bigass wall post after Wisdom calls you out and you manage to fencesit on all 3 other people in the lynch pool.

And you forgot to mention me over someone like SAFETYDANCE.

I reallllly am not seeing it.

[Amrun]

Awwww I liked that post

VOTE: safetydance

[Wisdom]

Then after that, i wanted to rely on my partner Amrun, since i had her as town. Then, our chat was also a fail. I get the feeling that she is just posting in the qt for the sake of posting

Can you elaborate on this? What exactly has been said in your QT? Do you think she's avoiding talking to you?

[Wisdom]

(and no Amrun, I don't want you to answer that)

[enomis]

So you show up with a bigass wall post after Wisdom calls you out and you manage to fencesit on all 3 other people in the lynch pool.

And you forgot to mention me over someone like SAFETYDANCE.

I reallllly am not seeing it.

He has called me out that i am scum since i am a lurker like long ago, iirc.

Well, that is my read on the 3 of them. Problem?

I thought i mentioned you. Then i look over the list again, then i realised you are not in the list.

[Amrun]

So you show up with a bigass wall post after Wisdom calls you out and you manage to fencesit on all 3 other people in the lynch pool.

And you forgot to mention me over someone like SAFETYDANCE.

I reallllly am not seeing it.

Yeah but that's why he's town, probably.

[Grimgroove]

enomis is definitely right about one thing, I should post here a lot less.
Looking at the activity overview it's quite painfully obvious we (including Wisdom) have been overbearing. And to what result?
I was already fearing it would be stifling to gameplay, and evidently it was, and given the little results all this talk has garnered, I will try to resist the urge to post as abundantly as before, and will also take this lesson to other games.
It did get me a firm scumread on Amrun though. I at least want to make that count. So good luck talking me out of that one.

enomis not having any scumreads isn't exactly encouraging though. NS said the same thing.

[enomis]

? Our chat summary:
We went in and amrun said how he want our chat to be a mason chat and want to rock this game with me that kind of thingy.

Then i said since this is my first time playing town neighbour sort of role, i didn't really know what to do.

Then she told me to discuss our read and then we discuss.

First about ap then wisdom then elyse then grim.

But all her replies are like one lined. Like post a few reasons why i think grim is town and grim is scum and am conflicted on him, he just post a one liner say he is conflicted as well and say grim is newb town.

Then from then on it is pretty much fail as i get less and less interested in the qt and i skimmed and lurk through the game and qt.

[Wisdom]

@Grim
bullshit, just post as much as you want. Restricting yourself won't help. You never know when something you say might show someone that your thought processes come from a town mindset, which is what you should want as town.

[Amrun]

Enomis fails to mention that our responses are exactly the same, and that I had to prompt him repeatedly to
Give me his own reads after I gave mine freely. And most of the reads he gave were just fence sitting anyway.

I have just as many posts as him in the qt, if not more, and mine are far more detailed overall. At some point we realized we are in like opposite time zones, which doesn't help.

This is one of the reasons I thought enomis could be scum, because he was looking for things from me while not providing them himself.

BUT

His last post just came off soooo genuine to me. I just have a hard time seeing him as scum now. :/

[Wisdom]

What's so genuine about it? Did you have the impression that scum are unable to produce a list of reads?

[enomis]

Haiz. Amrun, that is how i think. But when i post in thread, i usually decide on one side which i believe in and just post that side of the view until something convince me that the other side is more true.

Thats why i posted why i think the guy is town and why the same person is scum because i wanted you to give input and solidfy my reads with me. Which was pretty much a fail anyway.

I think i will stop using the qt with you until i am convinced that you are town and your latest post in the qt is creeping my scum radar.

I will just post whatever things here from now on.

I suppose i should try hydraing with someone to have an experience on how to discuss reads with people.

[Wisdom]

your latest post in the qt is creeping my scum radar.

What was the latest post?

[enomis]

your latest post in the qt is creeping my scum radar.

What was the latest post?

Am i allowed to copy and paste?

[Amrun]

What's so genuine about it? Did you have the impression that scum are unable to produce a list of reads?

Um, what?

There isn't any scum motivation to post the particular reads that he did. It is not something scum would do.

P-edit: it was the same thing I already posted here, that I liked his latest post etc. the only addition is that it's unfortunate that one of us is likely going down today but that I would vote him only at no other recourse and would push safetydance over him.

[Wisdom]

You can paraphrase it. (@enomis)

[Wisdom]

It is not something scum would do.

Why? Would scum do what NS did and present no reads at all? No. So saying what scum hypothetically wouldn't do has already been proven useless.

[Amrun]

It is not something scum would do.

Why? Would scum do what NS did and present no reads at all? No. So saying what scum hypothetically wouldn't do has already been proven useless.

Yes, scum would do that, especially with a meta that supports it. It's much easier to do that than to do what enomis has done, which is the opposite of opportunism.

[Wisdom]

enomis stated a "town/maybe town/null" read on everyone. He didn't take any strong stances. I fail to see how it's the opposite of opportunism. He can basically still scumread anyone off that list.

[Grimgroove]

Their QT-talk does sound rather genuine though, so I'm less confident in the idea that they are both scum. A hypothesis I had before.
This is mainly good news for enomis.

[enomis]

Amrun said:
He thinks my big post is genuine.

He posted more than me in qt.

He thinks one of us is going to be lynched today. While he himself is confirmed town, i am only prob town.

So if push comes to shove he will lynch me. But he will try to make an sd wagon happens first.

BTW:
wisdom u nv answered my question to you, why are you so sure that i am scum?
Mind saying your points?
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Good night.

[Wisdom]

Yes, scum would do that, especially with a meta that supports it.

The sad thing is is that he probably is town because usually as scum he puts in some token effort.

Boom.

[Amrun]

To put it simply, that post was not engineered with a survival mindset. I'm pretty sure it's just his reads, and they happen to be fencesitty. That's how he's been all game, and it's weirded me out, but re-reading, his reads have progressed in a way that makes sense, given that he is as cautious as that.

I opened our qt the way I did for a reason. I wanted to see if enomis was interested in gaining a town read from me.
At first it appeared that he was, but it's now abundantly clear that he's more interested in determining if I am scum than being town read by me. That's what town does.

P-edit: yes USUALLY. This is not the first,'or the last, time that ns has done nothing at all as scum. That's why his meta is so successful. He's very good at being unreadable.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Amrun


@enomis
I did state why I think you're scum in my reads at the beginning of this day. Your lurking, your play's similarity to your play in Polygamy, your StrangerCoug push, and ofc PoE.
I am feeling better about you now though, and worse about Amrun.

[Wisdom]

P-edit: yes USUALLY. This is not the first,'or the last, time that ns has done nothing at all as scum. That's why his meta is so successful. He's very good at being unreadable.

Yeah so you basically say contradicting things about NS the way it suits you each time. First you say that usually NS puts some effort in as scum, and therefore he must be town, and now you say that it's normal for NS to not put any effort in as scum, because his meta supports it.
Just no.