Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Amrun]

P-edit: yes USUALLY. This is not the first,'or the last, time that ns has done nothing at all as scum. That's why his meta is so successful. He's very good at being unreadable.

Yeah so you basically say contradicting things about NS the way it suits you each time. First you say that usually NS puts some effort in as scum, and therefore he must be town, and now you say that it's normal for NS to not put any effort in as scum, because his meta supports it.
Just no.

Yeah, usually, he does. And his meta does support not doing anything as scum. Both of those things are verifiably true, if you would bother to check it out for yourself, but that would require THINKING.

[Wisdom]

I don't care what he does and he doesn't. I care you're contradicting.

[Amrun]

Both of the things I said are true, whether or not you think they're contradictory. So if they're true, and they are, then your position makes no sense.

Ps, though, they're not contradictory.

[Wisdom]

You consider NS town because he has not given reads.
Then, to counter my argument that you were false about NS and you cannot speculate what scum do and don't, you say that NS-scum doesn't give reads.
It's a contradiction, and you're full of shit.

[Amrun]

No, I said that ns scum can get away with not giving reads because his meta supports it. He still doesn't give many reads as EITHER alignment, and his job is to act like town. NS is one of the most notoriously difficult to read players on this site for a reason.

Your position (that I was wrong about one thing and therefore can never speculate again) is complete bullshit. The entire basis of this game is positing what scum may or may not do and who is less or more likely to be scum because of it.

Everyone must speculate to this end -- every single player -- because that is how the game is played.

Trying to paint me as scummy for this is like... Acid trip level.

[Wisdom]

Nope. Generalizations like "scum never do this/ scum always do this" are always flawed. Everything is circumstancial and depends on who is doing it and under what context they are doing it.
Saying that enomis is town because "scum would never give reads" is total bullshit. It's an easy excuse for you to try and buddy enomis, just like you're doing in your QT with him. There are reasons why enomis is looking town right now, but it's none of what you've said.

[Grimgroove]

It seems, throughout this game, there has been an awful lot of idiotic and acid-trippy arguments thrown your way, Amrun. Do you think it might be a conspiracy?

For the record, what are your reads? Could you do something similar as enomis, or point us to where you did that in case you already did?

[Venmar]

Ok we get it you're

both

scum, now let's lynch the person who we CAN lynch, Amrun.

tvm

[Wisdom]

Ok we get it you're

both

scum, now let's lynch the person who we CAN lynch, Amrun.

tvm

both refers to me or enomis? (though I can guess)

[Venmar]

You and Amrun

[Wisdom]

Good. This will be interesting if Amrun flips scum, I'll explain why then.

[pirate mollie]

okay I am all caught up.

@ eno

what do you mean you had trouble obtaining reads in polygamy you were scum in that game you knew scum was

@ amrun

you said that ns puts more effort as scum and now you are changing your story is lulz. you also keep changing the direction of your according to popular opinion is anybody else seeing this.

I need to talk to majiffy, we haven't talked about this game since the other night I think.

I have venny, majiffy, ap and groovey kid as town. wis has said some stuff that I have thought like we are on the same page wrt amrun so I am back to unsure with him.

re: safety dance. I think he is lynchbait material but he has done fuckall this entire game. having said that I think amrun needs to go first. hwen she was laying into me the other night it felt scummy.

[Wisdom]

what do you mean you had trouble obtaining reads in polygamy you were scum in that game you knew scum was

I think he meant "I couldn't read the game" - he replaced out because he could not keep up.

[Amrun]

It seems, throughout this game, there has been an awful lot of idiotic and acid-trippy arguments thrown your way, Amrun. Do you think it might be a conspiracy?

For the record, what are your reads? Could you do something similar as enomis, or point us to where you did that in case you already did?

There have really only been like 3 really stupid things said towards me. But your leading question is noted, thanks.

My reads are quite obvious, and I've commented on everyone several times.

But yes, I will gather them all into one post before everything is said and done.


@wisdom: I think I see what the confusion is, then. I never said "always" or "never." When I said anything at all, I said "usually." In absence of usually, I assumed that would be understood because its common sense. I don't see the point of using wishy washy language when we all know there are no absolutes.

[Wisdom]

@wisdom: I think I see what the confusion is, then. I never said "always" or "never." When I said anything at all, I said "usually." In absence of usually, I assumed that would be understood because its common sense. I don't see the point of using wishy washy language when we all know there are no absolutes.

You said that enomis reads genuine because scum would not post the reads he did. That is a generalization regarding what scum would generally do/don't. You did not explain why enomis-scum would not do that in this certain situation.

[Haschel Cedricson]

The pool of players eligible to be lynched today consists of:

Amrun
enomis

Elyse
SafetyDance

Here are the current votes:

Amrun(3) - Venmar, Grimgroove, Wisdom
SafetyDance (3) - Majiffy, Elyse, Amrun
enomis(0) -
Elyse (0) -

Not Voting (4) - , enomis, pirate mollie, SafetyDance, AngryPidgeon,

With 10 players alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch.

[Amrun]

@wisdom: I think I see what the confusion is, then. I never said "always" or "never." When I said anything at all, I said "usually." In absence of usually, I assumed that would be understood because its common sense. I don't see the point of using wishy washy language when we all know there are no absolutes.

You said that enomis reads genuine because scum would not post the reads he did. That is a generalization regarding what scum would generally do/don't. You did not explain why enomis-scum would not do that in this certain situation.

Except I did. I said it even before you and I started having a conversation about it.

Enomis came in and didn't even try to push the alternatives as scum, even as a compromise. It's not suspicious to push one of these people as scum; it's very safe, since all of the popular targets are on the block right now. He's not fabricating reads because scum fabricating reads isn't likely to fabricate those reads at that precise time.

[Wisdom]

Except I did. I said it even before you and I started having a conversation about it.

Enomis came in and didn't even try to push the alternatives as scum, even as a compromise. It's not suspicious to push one of these people as scum; it's very safe, since all of the popular targets are on the block right now. He's not fabricating reads because scum fabricating reads isn't likely to fabricate those reads at that precise time.

And where exactly did you explain this before now?

[Wisdom]

Also I disagree. These two reads could easily be subtle pushes on the alternatives.

Elyse: I remember having read something very towny about her but i forgot what it was. Maybe i will iso her the day after tmr or something to see if i can remember it. But the overall feel of her is abit scummy. I don't like how she come out with her reads. Looks a little fake. Like how Safety/enomis is conf scum. Is she that confident in her POE that she can say that? And the fact that her POE did not give her 4 conf scum, I don't see how she could be so confident in this.

Amrun: I had him as town. And now, frankly, i dunnoe what to think of him.I will just put him as null

Besides, why would he need to push the alternatives when he's not even in danger of getting lynched?

[Amrun]

So you show up with a bigass wall post after Wisdom calls you out and you manage to fencesit on all 3 other people in the lynch pool.

And you forgot to mention me over someone like SAFETYDANCE.

I reallllly am not seeing it.

Yeah but that's why he's town, probably.

Also said he was the opposite of opportunistic, etc.

[Wisdom]

Therefore you didn't explain it.

[Wisdom]

But that's interesting, I had not realized AP had mentioned the fencesit on the alternatives.
So

that's

where you came up with the fake reason to "townread" him.

[Grimgroove]

Do you think it's possible Amrun and enomis are scum together? It would be quite a feat to invent such a qt-conversation, no?

[Amrun]

Yes, I did explain it -- and ap was using it as a reason to SCUM read him.

See, this is your issue. You don't even stop to think before posting something like that post. Why, as scum, would I need a FAKE reason to town read someone I already know is town?

You don't think at all about how realistic the motivations you ascribe to people are. Man how I wish you were scum.

[Wisdom]

@Grim
I don't, enomis is town and Amrun is buddying him. That's also evident by what she posted in their QT.