Actually, that reasoning would make sense. Even with Mastin complaining earlier about carrying more of the hydra load than originally intended if I remember correctly.In post 2575, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nacho reaches out as town and takes a lot of controlIn post 2574, Rift Adrift wrote:As part of a hydra? I react way less strongly to votes as part of a hydra. It's a division of labor sort of thing. I think mastin sees himself as the minority partner in the Calcifer enterprise. I'm focusing mostly on reading Nacho.In post 2572, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Ugggghhhhh I can't right now for nacho
For mastin, he reacts a LOT stronger to people voting him than he has
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I don't know what annoys me more. Bad Harry Potter fan fiction that gets the facts right, or good Harry Potter fan fiction that doesn't.
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In post 2621, Zdenek wrote:Oh I just realized that was referring to someone in the hydra
Your post was a good shortcut to grabbing the quotes I wanted while phone posting.
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Those night kills don't really tell me anything yet. TIP...okay...But Prohawk? I remember he was high on someone's scumlist, but can't remember who...
If he had continued to vote Stevie until the end of day 1, it would not have been so suspicious.
The fact that he votes DOMO for questioning it, I don't really understand.
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Those night kills don't really tell me anything yet. TIP...okay...But Prohawk? I remember he was high on someone's scumlist, but can't remember who...
Stevie wrote:I'll gladly go 1v1 with you and stake my whole reputation on it.
Zdenek immediately voting Stevie is questionable, because he was on the Nero wagon.Zdenek wrote:Vote: DOMO
If he had continued to vote Stevie until the end of day 1, it would not have been so suspicious.
The fact that he votes DOMO for questioning it, I don't really understand.
Congratulations on taking 2 weeks to iso 1 guy.Stevie wrote:My BRO iso is 2/3rds of the way done, I'll try and get it out tonight.
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This is true. I breifly voted for ank, then voted for you again. That doesn't mean that the only reason I voted for you again is because of the language issue that zdenek pointed out. Do I really need to go over that ground again to justify my vote?In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:Actually, this current version of the wagon was started by Zdenek voting for the "slip". You had hopped off earlier.
Lots of votes can be perceived as opportunistic. Seeing as I was first to vote for you today, I don't see this as one of them.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:You knew that your reason for hopping on our wagon (the "slip") was opportunistic, so you had to bring other reasons into play, none of which you mentioned upon your revote
This is an outright lie.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:Essentially, you made up reasons to stay on the wagon when you realized your current BS reason couldn't sustain it.
I haven't. My initital reaction to your vote was that I didn't like it, it pinged pretty hard, along with zdenek. It's certainly a contributary factor. I still assert that town would be more likely than scum to reassess their reads based on night actions. You did not.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:I see you've dropped the "Bulb's Stevie vote was baseless" line of attack.
No, my attack began as a result of you refusing to acknowledge the night actions. It's not the only reason I voted for you. So you're not scum just because you didn't take into account night actions, you're scum for other reasons I've pointed out, cheifly because you're lining up my mislynch when multiball becomes obvious.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:He's essentially saying that we are scum for refusing to partake in a bunch of WIFOM speculation concerning the NKs, and instead decided to scumhunt.
I was tunnelling zdenek? Only because he was active before you. I had every intention of engaging with you both.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:In fact, my main point of contention was the fact that you FoS us only after you realized you had been tunneling Zdenek so long for something that both of us had done, essentially making sure that you weren't called out for being selective.
This argument is heavily flawed. I've already explained why. Why would scum get towncred for scumhunting when town are aware of the possibility of multiball? Town cred only exists for scumhunting when town do not consider multiball. If I'm scum, I'm using the multiball comments to look like town speculating, not to give my scumhunting credit, because it discredits my scumhunting. Hence, the scum motivation is thin.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:Or you can use the 2 kills to say that we're in multiball so it looks like you're town who's legit scumhunting.
But if town know scum are scumhtuning, why am I going to get town cred for scumhunting if I'm scum? Like I say, a heavily flawed argument.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:There is if you are trying to convince town that you are town who is scumhunting in an effort to gain town points.
You have interpreted my comments in a way which gives you ground for attack. This is misrepping, and it's doesn't look like a town misrep to me.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:As you can see, by saying what you said when you said it, you were clearly implying that we were in multiball, not that we might be in multiball, a distinction which I clearly caught and pointed out.
Because neither were particularly scummy. There's many better targets imo. That's just my opinion, hence it being my opinion that we're multiball.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:Why don't any of them make sense as vig. targets?
Basically, your case seems to be my speculation and WIFOM. These are very null tells for me. Do some rev meta and find me a game where I don't speculate and talk WIFOM.
I'm still convinced you're scum. What you're doing here, imo, is exactly what you're accusing me of... using legit scumhunting to give yourself towncred. I suspect you are scum who thinks I'm on the other scum team. You're wrong.
Okay now I'm at the part of Bulbafenix's contradiction. That does look bad. If nothing changes, my vote goes to him.
Okay, some discussion about linguistics there. I can't say much about it, as English isn't even my native language. So I'll assume BRO is right on this. I'm still conflicted over whether to think Bulba is scum or not.
I agree with Domo that it's weird Ank does not address Serene, while claiming Dramonic is scum. Those 2 are connected due to their mason claim.
Domo vs BulbaFenix now? This doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
Okay I've caught up.
Calcifer's innocent child mention is very weird. I'd like him to comment on this, as it has faded away due to the Bulba/Domo/Zdenek cases.
I'm also interested in hearing Ankamius's read on Serene.
VOTE: Stevie
I did not see that anywhere. Looks like others haven't either.Calcifer wrote:He was confirmed as innocent child a while ago.
Okay, some discussion about linguistics there. I can't say much about it, as English isn't even my native language. So I'll assume BRO is right on this. I'm still conflicted over whether to think Bulba is scum or not.
I agree with Domo that it's weird Ank does not address Serene, while claiming Dramonic is scum. Those 2 are connected due to their mason claim.
Domo vs BulbaFenix now? This doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
Okay I've caught up.
Calcifer's innocent child mention is very weird. I'd like him to comment on this, as it has faded away due to the Bulba/Domo/Zdenek cases.
I'm also interested in hearing Ankamius's read on Serene.
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And why? They haven't posted since all the stuff serene wrote about their being unllynchable.In post 2631, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay fuck what when did calc turn town
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I'm supposed to care whether or not a lurking scumbag gives my posts thought and consideration? You're not my intended audience DIE SCUM DIE also I like the timing of your comment, coming right after I correctly pegged you as scum.In post 2632, StubbsKVM wrote:Why I should care about anything you say.
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Just now, you can sheep him. It's safe.In post 2631, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay fuck what when did calc turn town
Metal Sonic is scummy for voting me for voting BulbaF, but ignoring everyone else's votes on that wagon. It's classic selective scum hunting.
I voted DOMO because of his idiotic argument against me that was so contrived that I could not believe that it came from town. Now, I don't know.
I don't see at all how me fixing my vote on Stevie would make it less suspicious. Explain that too me.
You haven't given a read on DOMO, you've scarcely said a word about Bulba and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently.
I pushed Stevie as much as I could day one, and got nowhere, so I moved my vote.In post 2627, StubbsKVM wrote:Zdenek immediately voting Stevie is questionable, because he was on the Nero wagon.
If he had continued to vote Stevie until the end of day 1, it would not have been so suspicious.
The fact that he votes DOMO for questioning it, I don't really understand.
I voted DOMO because of his idiotic argument against me that was so contrived that I could not believe that it came from town. Now, I don't know.
I don't see at all how me fixing my vote on Stevie would make it less suspicious. Explain that too me.
So you think that the BulbaF thing isn't going anywhere but the Stevie thing is?In post 2629, StubbsKVM wrote:Okay now I'm at the part of Bulbafenix's contradiction. That does look bad. If nothing changes, my vote goes to him.
I did not see that anywhere. Looks like others haven't either.Calcifer wrote:He was confirmed as innocent child a while ago.
Okay, some discussion about linguistics there. I can't say much about it, as English isn't even my native language. So I'll assume BRO is right on this. I'm still conflicted over whether to think Bulba is scum or not.
I agree with Domo that it's weird Ank does not address Serene, while claiming Dramonic is scum. Those 2 are connected due to their mason claim.
Domo vs BulbaFenix now? This doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
Okay I've caught up.
Calcifer's innocent child mention is very weird. I'd like him to comment on this, as it has faded away due to the Bulba/Domo/Zdenek cases.
I'm also interested in hearing Ankamius's read on Serene.
VOTE: Stevie
You haven't given a read on DOMO, you've scarcely said a word about Bulba and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently.
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Did you really ask why you should care if he cares what you say?
*deep breath*
Okay, I'll do it.
Why should we care if you care if he cares what you say?
I await your well thought-out reply in all caps.
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If the rest wasn't more or less accurate, this phrase would make me seriously wonder if we are reading the same game. What led you to this impression of Stubb's reads?In post 2636, Zdenek wrote:and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently
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I ISO'd him and searched for references to Stevie.In post 2640, Rift Adrift wrote:If the rest wasn't more or less accurate, this phrase would make me seriously wonder if we are reading the same game. What led you to this impression of Stubb's reads?In post 2636, Zdenek wrote:and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently
He was defending him (quite aggressively), and then voted him for not posting content, and then had little to say until this.
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Unless it's a cat that plays chess. Does the cat play chess?
Was in response to:In post 2620, StevieT92 wrote:3) Nice job giving a justification for your Nero vote when I didn't even mention that as a point against you AT ALL. Why haven't you "eaten rope" yet?
I figured the stuff in that block quote you posted was from bad quote tags. Was I wrong?In post 2260, StevieT92 wrote:Why do you dislike Serene but don't mention the possibilty of Nero being scum for doing the same thing? Is it because Serene is your buddy?
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You missed the posts where he repeatedly chivvied Stevie for his case on BRO?In post 2641, Zdenek wrote:I ISO'd him and searched for references to Stevie.In post 2640, Rift Adrift wrote:If the rest wasn't more or less accurate, this phrase would make me seriously wonder if we are reading the same game. What led you to this impression of Stubb's reads?In post 2636, Zdenek wrote:and Stevie was a town read of yours until recently
He was defending him (quite aggressively), and then voted him for not posting content, and then had little to say until this.
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Is this a consensus?In post 2635, Serene wrote:Just now, you can sheep him. It's safe.In post 2631, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay fuck what when did calc turn town
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Wouldn't this mean that Calcifer is likely town, since Mastin assumed Nacho would be driving?In post 2625, Baby Spice wrote:Actually, that reasoning would make sense. Even with Mastin complaining earlier about carrying more of the hydra load than originally intended if I remember correctly.In post 2575, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nacho reaches out as town and takes a lot of controlIn post 2574, Rift Adrift wrote:As part of a hydra? I react way less strongly to votes as part of a hydra. It's a division of labor sort of thing. I think mastin sees himself as the minority partner in the Calcifer enterprise. I'm focusing mostly on reading Nacho.In post 2572, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Ugggghhhhh I can't right now for nacho
For mastin, he reacts a LOT stronger to people voting him than he has
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Here's the opportunistic part:In post 2628, DOMO wrote:Lots of votes can be perceived as opportunistic. Seeing as I was first to vote for you today, I don't see this as one of them.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:You knew that your reason for hopping on our wagon (the "slip") was opportunistic, so you had to bring other reasons into play, none of which you mentioned upon your revote
In post 2441, DOMO wrote:Interesting. When I first read that I thought it made sense, like "personally I do not believe the claim". But yeah on 2nd read that's bad.
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Essentially, you jumped on the wagon for a contrived reason, which you admitted you knew what was actually said, then you said, "Well this contrived reason that I jumped on the wagon for is not going to sustain my position. Here are other reasons to justify my position on this wagon.".In post 2449, DOMO wrote:bulba's "slip" alone is not enough to warrant lynch, it's easy for him to say he also misread that statement.
No it's not. See above quote.In post 2628, DOMO wrote:This is an outright lie.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:Essentially, you made up reasons to stay on the wagon when you realized your current BS reason couldn't sustain it.
My read on Stevie was not influenced whatsoever by who died during the night.In post 2628, DOMO wrote:I haven't. My initital reaction to your vote was that I didn't like it, it pinged pretty hard, along with zdenek. It's certainly a contributary factor. I still assert that town would be more likely than scum to reassess their reads based on night actions. You did not.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:I see you've dropped the "Bulb's Stevie vote was baseless" line of attack.
Why would I acknowledge the night actions? They're essentially WIFOM. They serve no purpose but to confuse the town and distract from actual scumhunting. You know who does like to comment about night actions a lot? Scum.In post 2628, DOMO wrote:No, my attack began as a result of you refusing to acknowledge the night actions. It's not the only reason I voted for you. So you're not scum just because you didn't take into account night actions, you're scum for other reasons I've pointed out, cheifly because you're lining up my mislynch when multiball becomes obvious.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:He's essentially saying that we are scum for refusing to partake in a bunch of WIFOM speculation concerning the NKs, and instead decided to scumhunt.
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multiball becomes obvious" not "if
multiball becomes obvious". Again, you're working under the knowledge that multiball exists without confirmation from a flip. There is no way that town should be working under that assumption with as little knowledge as we have.Using WIFOM again to try to discredit my argument. Unlike last time, however, I'm not going to dive into this one and further allow you to muddy the waters.In post 2628, DOMO wrote:This argument is heavily flawed. I've already explained why. Why would scum get towncred for scumhunting when town are aware of the possibility of multiball? Town cred only exists for scumhunting when town do not consider multiball. If I'm scum, I'm using the multiball comments to look like town speculating, not to give my scumhunting credit, because it discredits my scumhunting. Hence, the scum motivation is thin.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:Or you can use the 2 kills to say that we're in multiball so it looks like you're town who's legit scumhunting.
Same thing here.In post 2628, DOMO wrote:But if town know scum are scumhtuning, why am I going to get town cred for scumhunting if I'm scum? Like I say, a heavily flawed argument.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:There is if you are trying to convince town that you are town who is scumhunting in an effort to gain town points.
No, that is not a misrep, especially since I've explained clearly what you did and the scum motivation behind it. I looked at what you said given the context, and that was the most obvious interpretation. Words are important. Context is important. And given both, it becomes obvious from the way you entered the thread today that you were intent on announcing that we're in multiball, knowledge that town should not have had at this point. Yes, town might speculate saying "we might be in multiball" or "if we're in multiball", but you chose to enter the thread and say "Look, we're in multiball!". I do not see any town motivation whatsoever coming from that, only scum.In post 2628, DOMO wrote:You have interpreted my comments in a way which gives you ground for attack. This is misrepping, and it's doesn't look like a town misrep to me.In post 2613, BulbaFenix wrote:As you can see, by saying what you said when you said it, you were clearly implying that we were in multiball, not that we might be in multiball, a distinction which I clearly caught and pointed out.
Sorry. This is not going to work, especially since if you know your own meta, it is no longer reliable. Simply put, you could be scum using your town meta to make yourself appear town.In post 2628, DOMO wrote: Basically, your case seems to be my speculation and WIFOM. These are very null tells for me. Do some rev meta and find me a game where I don't speculate and talk WIFOM.
On another note, when did Calcifer and our hydra become town reads for Serene?
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