Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[qwints]

So basically you skimmed the thread (which is acceptable, not accusing you for that or anything) and found only 1 point for town/scum for each of us. You didn't actually read the whole thread and only had 1 point on each of us. Is that right? Because I assumed the latter and I couldn't understand how you only had these small things over tons of things that have been happening.

Basically.

[Wisdom]

I'm not seeing where Amrun agreed to that

She did in 1221.

[Wisdom]

No worries, i will challenge the green monkey on day 3.

And so did enomis in the next post, btw.

[AngryPidgeon]

no. I don't. he is one of my stronger town reads.

I love you, but I really think you are wrong here. Could you give me a summary of this read?

I'm not seeing where Amrun agreed to that, but I think it's safe to conclusively rule out Amrun-enomis-wisdom as a possibility.

Really? You don't see them both wagoning you together like its nobody's business to be suspicious? Especially when your predecessor was lurkaderp mislynch bait?

And so did enomis in the next post, btw.

Enomis buddying up to the flow of the thread with a tack-on "ya what a great plan guys!!". Color me totally shocked that no one else sees this for what it is.

[Wisdom]

tbh I don't know if I'm not that confident about my enomis townread. I was following a game that just ended and I was very confident enomis was town there, but he wasn't.

[Wisdom]

I don't know if I'm that confident*

[pirate mollie]

it has to do with how he reacted early on when I was applying pressure to him. I get my reads through interacting with players and he felt like town during those exchanges. I find it hard to believe that newbscum can get that close and personal with me and pull a townread out of me. the only way I could see it is if he was being coached.

[qwints]

Wisdom, please remind me what your current read on Elyse is again.

[Wisdom]

newbscum

Why do you keep calling him a newbie? He played an awesome scumgame in Everybody's being Watched; but besides that, how do you know he doesn't have offsite experience?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, please remind me what your current read on Elyse is again.

I think she is town because of how she handled the NS lynch (see 1796) but other than that I don't have a strong read on her. It will greatly depend on how Amrun flips.

[pirate mollie]

newbscum

Why do you keep calling him a newbie? He played an awesome scumgame in Everybody's being Watched; but besides that, how do you know he doesn't have offsite experience?

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

I don't treat newbs the same way that many people do on this site. it seems like in a lot of games I play in the vets want to lynch the newb before going after stronger players and I hate that. newbs can often have really good instincts and insights that vets often miss. I just have no patience when they get retarded.

wis where is all of that awsum meta where I can fake anything as scum I am still waiting for that. also you have yet to explain how I am being lazy.

[Wisdom]

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

And why do you rule out the possibility that he WANTS to be called newbtown because he's actually scum and that's why he doesn't say that?

[Wisdom]

wis where is all of that awsum meta where I can fake anything as scum I am still waiting for that. also you have yet to explain how I am being lazy.

I answered both of these, I'm still waiting for your explanations.

[Grimgroove]

Guys, if you're wondering about my experince with Mafia, you should just ask me! When have I ever denied you giving you the answers you seek?

Please, come sit around me and listen to my tale.

On a beautiful autumn day last year, some guy on a forum from my favorite football team started talking to people about this mafia game, where you have to find out each others roles by talking to each other over the internet. Even though it all sounded very bizarre, I decided to give it a try. It was a themes game involving the soccer players from several teams, and of course the players from my team were town. I was town as well. The moderator didn't really balance it out very well, because I was a Paranoid Gun Owner who only killed the scum targetting him. I did get a negative check when a cop would visit me, but I had built up enough towncred by then so I sailed to victory. After that, nobody was interested anymore, so I looked and found this website.

tl;dr: My offsite experience amounts to one game.

@Wisdom: Thank you. It was a good game. But let me ask you: did you read the scum-QT after the game was finished?

[Wisdom]

yes

[Grimgroove]

Do you feel I operate similarly in this game as in Everbody's being Watched?

[Wisdom]

As I've already stated, no. But I also don't think everyone plays exactly the same in every game.

[Grimgroove]

We'll see, but somehow I think it's common for newbies to be townread as scum, and scumread as town. I'll give you my theory.

I think that in this game, I have made the mistake of writing down every single thing I think. I respond emotionally to people calling me stupid for it, because I genuinely believe in my ideas. In the beginning Amrun recognized this behavior (I think) when referring to me as a certainc ategory of newb. Somehow I was under the naive impression that if I would just write down my stream of thoughts honestly, it would flow naturally that everyone reads me as town. Result: I'm a scumread for many. Why? Inconsistencies. Because my thinking on certain people is not constant, my stream of thoughts can be used against me, making me look like some opportunistic votehopper.

In the other instance, I was scum, newbscum. I wanted to think everything through. What looks right? What argument looks like it makes sense? Am I sure they can't use this against me?
This approach was, while tiring, quite succesful. Why would I change this approach in this game, if it worked so nicely before? I wanted to present myself as a balanced person, looking at pro's and con's, making objective decisions. Look like! So I kept certain thoughts to myself.

Here I don't care about looking like that, I just write down everything I see, everything I wonder about. But I do care about reaching good conclusions.

[Wisdom]

Which is not a mistake. I do the same thing.

You have probably convinced me you're town now.

[Grimgroove]

Yes, but knowing you, that won't last long

[Elyse]

Alright I gtg and I skimmed but

@Wisdom
How is Amrun an information lynch if only I could be scum with her? If no one else is then maybe, I dunno, she's NOT scum? Ever think of that.

Enomis is the lynch for today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: enomis

[pirate mollie]

wis where is all of that awsum meta where I can fake anything as scum I am still waiting for that. also you have yet to explain how I am being lazy.

I answered both of these, I'm still waiting for your explanations.

where

I may have lost it in the flurry of posts but I don't think so

and what explanations are you waiting for

[pirate mollie]

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

And why do you rule out the possibility that he WANTS to be called newbtown because he's actually scum and that's why he doesn't say that?

i am guessing you mean this one.

you question doesn't even make sense

are you saying you think he has offsite experience yes or no

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom
How is Amrun an information lynch if only I could be scum with her? If no one else is then maybe, I dunno, she's NOT scum? Ever think of that.

I said it's not only an information lynch. All my accusations on her did not disappear because she AtE'd in one post. I still think she's very likely scum.

[Wisdom]

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

And why do you rule out the possibility that he WANTS to be called newbtown because he's actually scum and that's why he doesn't say that?

i am guessing you mean this one.

you question doesn't even make sense

are you saying you think he has offsite experience yes or no

No I do not mean this one, mollie.
I mean what AP unvoting or not unvoting had to do with what we were discussing (the reaction test) when you brought it up, and how the hell does Venmar performing a reaction test bring attention on himself. Two things that make absolutely no sense yet you have still not explained them to me.
As for this question, it makes perfect sense. Why are you calling him a newbie instead of assuming that he is scum trying to act like a newbie?