Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Grimgroove]

Amrun is far more important, if only for my self-preservation.

If Amrun is still there the next daystage, I will challenge her myself.

Oh god this just gives me all sorts of chills. An Amrun scumflip does not conf-town you by any stretch of the imagination and Im not sure why you would think it does.

Maybe I don't think it does, and maybe I'm trying to implant this idea into your subconscious, rendering you powerless in the face of my evil manipulative skills!

HAHAHAHAHA.

no

It is so, because it is Obvious.

Hey Amrun, will you challenge me if you're still around for the next daystage?

Calling you out, yo!

Of course I will, and gladly. Idk why you act like I wouldn't. Ridic.

Also, you being a newb doesn't make you town, and it never will. You are recycling the argument I made against Majiffy early on, but without any of the context that made it make sense.

But what about procedure? What happened to "sticking to the plan"? Are you allowing chaos to reign these lands simply because I'm calling you out?

And yes, "your context" for pressure on me has already been taken care of. You seem to have missed that post.

I'm also a bit disappointed you're not lynched yet.

@AP: That "teenager"-post came just after me giggling about something ridiculously cliché and unfunny. Not game-related!

[Grimgroove]

ermmm. No.

@Amrun: Why did you exclude Elyse when speaking with me about who to lynch and who are we lynching and stuff. Feels like you taken her out of your mind of lynchpool completely until much later when you mention her.
Why is that?

Because I've had a townread on Elyse forever. She exists in the lynchpool because she does, but I've never once wanted to lynch her.

Not sure if overtly buddying to obfuscate your link with her, or just setting up Elyse.

Regardless, it's a very scummy stance.

Could you explain why Elyse is above all discussion in your eyes? I fail to see it.

Oh, and about the two scumteams, I misunderstood your question, sorry. I thought you were talking about two mafiateams working independently from eachother.

[Amrun]

@Wisdom:

I didn't ask the question for no reason.

And I didn't mean anything about my playstyle or yours; it was a general statement.

@grim: That IS the plan. If I live through today it will be by the skin of my teeth. Both me and enomis are two of the more heavily suspected players. You are also heavily suspected by at least 5 slots, which makes you the best candidate for challenging under the plan.

I never said Elyse was above consideration. I analyzed her like I did everyone else, and, in fact, in higher detail than many and with more suspicion. You ignoring that, just like most other context in the game, is one of the things that makes you scummy.

[Wisdom]

How was it general..? You said that I am tunneling on you because I don't like your playstyle..?

[Wisdom]

And where did you analyze Elyse?

[Grimgroove]

I found it! Post 1543! Analysis "with more suspicion".

Sorry I imssed that, the shit case you had on me just under that had distracted me.

[Wisdom]

Other than 1543, which basically says the same thing I say about Elyse (how she isn't a likely NS partner because of what she said), you've hardly mentioned her all game other than to call her town.

[Grimgroove]

No. You're acting like NS flipped town. He didn't.

If NS flips town then YOU are the fourth scum. You're acting like you know he'll flip town and are setting me up.

But these, here, are the kicker. I don't see a scumbuddy of NS saying this, knowing he would flip scum. Elyse is town.

This strongly reminds me of excrements produced by the adult male of the species Bos taurus.

[Wisdom]

Dunno about taurus, but this looks to me like the scumteam is NS/Amrun/Elyse, Elyse did that on purpose, and Amrun used that to townread her.

[Grimgroove]

@Wisdom: you made a similar thought process.
Either of you should really explain to me why those two posts couldn't come from scum-Elyse. Post 1249 and the way it was prompted actually tells you she seemed to know Nobody Special was scum, despite him not having posted ANYTHING.
If anything, those two posts make Elyse scummier as opposed to townier.

[Wisdom]

Because she questioned why I was so certain that he was flipping town. That would show a townie who doesn't know what NS is going to flip and finds me, who supported "NS is compromise, he's surely flipping town", suspicious.
But Amrun's defence of it makes me believe that it could have been faked.

[Grimgroove]

Because she questioned why I was so certain that he was flipping town. That would show a townie who doesn't know what NS is going to flip and finds me, who supported "NS is compromise, he's surely flipping town", suspicious.

Or scum who knew NS was not going to flip town. That's how I had read it at first.

[Wisdom]

If NS flips town then YOU are the fourth scum. You're acting like you know he'll flip town and are setting me up.

But read this.
What is the scum motivation here? If she knows NS is not flipping town, then she knows she won't be able to accuse me next.
The only possibility is that she's purposefully saying this to gain towncred after NS flips scum.

[Wisdom]

And if NS flips town then idk I'll have to reevaluate my reads.

But you have a point that this^ could be scum. She doesn't care what happens if NS flips town, and she doesn't have an alternative scumteam for that case. It could be because she knows this isn't going to happen.

[Grimgroove]

1249 merely shows she has not put much thought in the possibilty that NS is not scum, and just looks at the person who happens to be around and adds some half-baked reason to it.

Look at the last sentence here:

Yes. PoE is strong.

And if NS flips town then idk I'll have to reevaluate my reads.

She claims to have found the four-man scumteam by a mere PoE. Nobody Special is therefore a scumread of hers. Does this strike you as a striking argumentation for NS scum?

Yet, despite this, she did not even think of a situation where NS is not scum. She would have to re-evaluate her reads only after the flip. This betrays a particularly strong "NS = scum" mindset, a mindset which is not explained by NS' play at the time.

Fishy business.

[Grimgroove]

Ninja'd, isn't that how they call it?

[Wisdom]

I think we've hit the jackpot there.
But who the hell is the fourth scum in that case?

[Grimgroove]

qwints is a possibility because his current vote on Amrun might be part of a ploy to distance themselves from eachother, with one of them saving themselves in the process.
Majiffy is a possibility because he told me once he busses his partners hard.
Angry Pidgeon is a possibility too, at first glance, haven't really looked at their interactions in depth yet though.

[Wisdom]

Actually qwints switched to enomis I think, so he might make sense indeed.

[Grimgroove]

Yeah, and Majiffy isn't actually a possibility. Even though he busses hard, I doubt Amrun would do to a scumbuddy what she did to Majiffy just after he challenged the Silver Snakes.

[Wisdom]

Yeh it ain't Jiffy.
Could you see enomis as a possibility?

[Grimgroove]

No, because of the QT between him and Amrun. Doesn't seem like something you can fake. Should check in more detail again though.

The QT between Elyse and qwints I found less convincing somehow.

[Wisdom]

If Elyse is scum, then the conclusion she made that "there can't be scum-scum teams" would probably mean there are. It already felt like a forced conclusion when she made it, but now that I'm thinking about it she could be scum with Safety and the whole thing could be faked anyway.

[Grimgroove]

That would mean however, that Amrun challenged Green, knowing that all three of the remaining scum would be in the lynchpool.

Hmm.

[Wisdom]

She didn't have much choice though, we agreed that we would do that, and the plan on agreeing was hers in the first place.