Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

Fucking game.

Why is Amrun not dead yet?

Elyse I am not even going to answer to you because you don't read. I found the fourth partner too, so stop saying that nobody makes sense as scum with Amrun. You and qwints do fine.

[Wisdom]

Grimgroove what the fuck are you doing vote Amrun again

[Wisdom]

Grim, why not drop the "too scummy to be scum" nonsense and vote enomis?

See this shit

He came in the game and instantly scumread Amrun, but now he wants to lynch enomis instead

[Amrun]

I hate everything

[Venmar]

Lynch Amrun ffs

[Wisdom]

Amrun - Didn't know how many scum there were, doesn't make sense with anyone as scum (besides me I guess but I know I'm town), similar thought process to me

lol forgot everything scummy Amrun has done in this game in favor of that "didnt know how many scum there are" which WAS OBVIOUSLY PLANTED.

WHY THE HELL ARE THOSE TWO STILL ALIVE DAMNIT.

[Wisdom]

Elyse giving so many townreads is indeed very townish. Scum wouldn't do that in a nightless.

Tell me you're being sarcastic or something here.

[Wisdom]

And lol that I'm scum with Safety. Yeah definitely. That's why I wanted to lynch him first today.

Yeah because bussing is not an optimal strategy when 3 scum are in the lynchpool of 4

[Grimgroove]

I wasn't, if scum wants to get mislynches, restricting yourself like Elyse is doing would work against her in the end. I don't see scum doing that.


But you're right about this:

VOTE: Amrun

This lynch needs to happen asap, it's driving me mad.

[Wisdom]

Who's the fourth? Answer: no one.

Answer: qwints.
Which answer was given already.
But no, discredit us and act like we never figured out who is the fourth.
And like I fucking said, even if NOBODY made sense with her as scum, SHE'S SCUM BECAUSE OF HER OWN ACTIONS. We will not lynch based on who makes sense with who.

[Wisdom]

why the hell didn't enomis hammer ffs
Where is AP

[Elyse]

You're fucking stupid if you think Amrun is scum with me and qwints.

That doesn't work at all.

I'm also not buying Grim's "I'm too stupid" because he's a more than competent player and I'm confident that he's using stupidity as an excuse to vote erratically and play as scummy as he is.

[Wisdom]

Except it does

[Amrun]

Ps I make no sense as Qwintz buddy sry

Elyse buddy theory is like passable I guess or would be if you a) didn't ignore the other reasons I town read her which there are like 5, b) didn't town read her for the exact same reason, making your logic supremely illogical.

But holy god if everyone is this convinced I am scum, someone fucking hammer already.

DO NOT LET MOLLIE NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS TO HER. IF SHE DOESN'T ANSWER WHEN I FLIP TOWN AND YOU GUYS LET HER GET AWAY WITH IT, YOU ARE STUPID.

[Grimgroove]

I never said I'm too stupid. I said I haven't been very focused. The last couple of days felt like waiting for an Amrun lynched, and now I suddenly felt uncomfortable with my read on her, because it had been a while since I critically approached that read.
But these doubts are just because of all the time this takes to get her lynched. I think.
But never did I play the "I am stupid"-card. I said the opposite. I don't want people to use that card against me. Like Elyse just did.

[Wisdom]

other reasons I town read her which there are like 5,

No there aren't. This was the only reason. The other stuff you had was "oh she's scummy for that, but here she cancels it, here she says it again"

[Elyse]

You have played the I'm too stupid card. Don't even try to make it seem like you didn't.

[Grimgroove]

You have played the I'm too stupid card. Don't even try to make it seem like you didn't.

Are you going to put up?
Or are you going to shut up?

[Elyse]

Neither. I'm on my phone. But your last few posts are a prime example as well as the ones after Coug's flip.

[Amrun]

WAIT A MINUTE

Did you seriously just suggest you DID NOT hedge your read on NS?

like

real talk?

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

I still think majiffy is town. it freaks me out when he vote parks and then disappears cos this is what he did in the only game where he managed to sneak past me as scum. there are 6 players on this site I expect a lot from in order to townread them and he is one of them cos I have shared enough meta knowledge with them that they could get past my meta reads. majiffy is at the top of the list.

Explain this discrepancy, please.

I do can not give a 100% clearance of majiffy without mod clearance. I have no role to do that I am going by what we have shared in the game he reads as town

but I want more from him.

let's talk about your major hedging of ns whom you said you could read. but I bet you don't wanna

Then why did you say you could guarantee your read of Majiffy?

And you're going to have to show where I hedged my read of NS first. I already showed where you did.

p-edit: Why is the word freak out significant to you? It isn't to me.

Same question to mollie. What is your opinion on 2-scum teams?

What is your read on qwints?

I don't know it isn't like a player subbed into a slot that I can accurately read.

you are steering wis

eta: I am out for 20 to 30 minutes

No, actually, asking for a read on a player is not "steering." You should have one by now. You seem to only be reading posts related to you.

and I asked you for one on ns in which you hedged and are now trying to say it is not applicable. try again

everything I say you try to paint as scummy. and you are trying to bring up what I said on d1 as scummy when really it isn't.

not to mention you ignore your own hedging as scummy. okay

What are you talking about? How can you ask me for a read on a flipped player? That's ridiculous.

No, everything you say is not scummy, but there are scummy things you have said, which I have pointed out.

I have asked you SEVERAL questions that you have just BLATANTLY IGNORED. (To recap, the most important ones that you keep ignoring are: who was bussing ns? why did you guarantee you could read majiffy if you can't?)

Do you expect me to call myself scummy? Like ... what? You can interpret my actions how you want, and so can anyone else, but my flip will not go well for you because you will look terrible afterwards, and I think that's why you've been so hesitant to REALLY push me today and instead just choose to argue with me, just now voting for me.

Just a recap of some of the questions she still has not even attempted to answer or address.

The main issues I have with mollie are this:

-Despite saying NOTHING about ns' alignment pre-flip (she says he is a "lurker" and "hard" to read), mollie insists that she did not fencesit on NS but refuses to explain why or how. Instead her response is to say, "No, I didn't, but you hedged your bets on him!" What I did is irrelevant to what she did, but she's trying to throw dirt on me to cover up for her own missteps and hoping no one will call her on it.
-Post flip, she said NS was bussed but has named no one who might have been bussing NS. I've asked her the same question about five times and she has not even acknowledged it, let alone answered it.
-Early in the game, she said she could "guarantee" her ability to read Majiffy as town. Later, she retracted this and said he has the ability to fool her. I asked her why she changed, and she just repeated that she can't guarantee it. Yes, I know -- but why did you say you can when you can't? I don't think saying either one of these things by itself is scummy, but saying them both at the same time and then blatantly ignoring all questions about the issue is scummy.
-The majority of her votes are plain lazy, and the ones that aren't are not even on people who can be lynched.

Please hold her accountable for these things. Make her answer those key questions. The MOST important one is about who bussed NS and why she keeps avoiding that question.

P-edit: Yes, because I was analyzing her and trying to keep an open mind. But some g those thins were reasons to town read her, if you look, and I've given other reasons throughout the course of the game. Still, there's nothing that really rules her and I out as partners. My point is that your reasoning for why we are is really bad. It's all irrelevant because I'm not scum, but still.

[AngryPidgeon]

I tell myself I'll get motivated to do this on the weekends all week and then I just wanna not think hard about anything on the weekends >.>

Intent to hammer Amrun.

This game isn't going forward any other way.

Enomis doesn't want to hammer Amrun because hes nervous scum (regardless of Amruns flip).

[Amrun]

AP, can you promise me to pursue my questions to mollie when I flip town? Please say you will do this. (And also pursue grim but I trust you to do that.)

Why bother with intent to hammer. Just do it already.

[Venmar]

Yeah AP, do it.

[pirate mollie]

are these the questions you are banging on about lol. ftr I ignore dumb questions especially when I am starting to scumread someone.

WAIT A MINUTE

Did you seriously just suggest you DID NOT hedge your read on NS?

like

real talk

?

1. I didn't have a read on ns. you however did but you hedged on your read. <----- I thought you did not think that the term "hedge" applied to mafia I mean isn't that what you said? do you want me to quote it?
2. real talk iin real time. the vast majority of my games have been in a 24 hour day round so get my reads through interaction which has already been stated itt.

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

I still think majiffy is town. it freaks me out when he vote parks and then disappears cos this is what he did in the only game where he managed to sneak past me as scum. there are 6 players on this site I expect a lot from in order to townread them and he is one of them cos I have shared enough meta knowledge with them that they could get past my meta reads. majiffy is at the top of the list.

Explain this discrepancy, please.

I do can not give a 100% clearance of majiffy without mod clearance. I have no role to do that I am going by what we have shared in the game he reads as town

but I want more from him.

let's talk about your major hedging of ns whom you said you could read. but I bet you don't wanna

Then why did you say you could guarantee your read of Majiffy?

And you're going to have to show where I hedged my read of NS first. I already showed where you did.

p-edit:

Why is the word freak out significant to you?

It isn't to me.

with neither of these questions were you trying to discern my alignment that is why I ignored them. I can usually guarantee my read on majiffy however a game had ended where I trolleytracked on him when we were both town. he has lately been a lot lazier as town than I am used to and it is probably best if we just hydra from now on. I town read but will probably get paranoid about 5 million times about him especially late at night after a glass or 2 of wine. and wanting to hear more from is something I want from him as town that you are trying to fucking paint this into a scumtell is hilarious. like you are serioualy reaching here.

and jesus christ asking me why "freak out" is significant to me when you were the first one to use it (or it was someone else) is fucking retarded and not worth my time.

Same question to mollie. What is your opinion on 2-scum teams?

What is your read on qwints?

I don't know it isn't like a player subbed into a slot that I can accurately read.

you are steering wis

eta: I am out for 20 to 30 minutes

No, actually, asking for a read on a player is not "steering." You should have one by now. You seem to only be reading posts related to you.

and I asked you for one on ns in which you hedged and are now trying to say it is not applicable. try again

everything I say you try to paint as scummy. and you are trying to bring up what I said on d1 as scummy when really it isn't.

not to mention you ignore your own hedging as scummy. okay

What are you talking about? How can you ask me for a read on a flipped player? That's ridiculous.

No, everything you say is not scummy, but there are scummy things you have said, which I have pointed out.

I have asked you SEVERAL questions that you have just BLATANTLY IGNORED. (To recap, the most important ones that you keep ignoring are:

who was bussing ns?

why did you guarantee you could read majiffy if you can't?)

Do you expect me to call myself scummy? Like ... what? You can interpret my actions how you want, and so can anyone else, but my flip will not go well for you because you will look terrible afterwards, and I think that's why you've been so hesitant to REALLY push me today and instead just choose to argue with me, just now voting for me.

at the time you asked me this I thought you were and then I looked back on the vc at the time of the lynch and realised you did not vote him.

the answer is simple I am not sure. I was not around at the time of his lynch and would have wanted to tease the day out longer to see if ns would have responded.

Just a recap of some of the questions she still has not even attempted to answer or address.

The main issues I have with mollie are this:

-Despite saying NOTHING about ns' alignment pre-flip (she says he is a "lurker" and "hard" to read), mollie insists that she did not fencesit on NS but refuses to explain why or how. Instead her response is to say, "No, I didn't, but you hedged your bets on him!" What I did is irrelevant to what she did, but she's trying to throw dirt on me to cover up for her own missteps and hoping no one will call her on it.
-Post flip, she said NS was bussed but has named no one who might have been bussing NS. I've asked her the same question about five times and she has not even acknowledged it, let alone answered it.
-Early in the game, she said she could "guarantee" her ability to read Majiffy as town. Later, she retracted this and said he has the ability to fool her. I asked her why she changed, and she just repeated that she can't guarantee it. Yes, I know -- but why did you say you can when you can't? I don't think saying either one of these things by itself is scummy, but saying them both at the same time and then blatantly ignoring all questions about the issue is scummy.
-The majority of her votes are plain lazy, and the ones that aren't are not even on people who can be lynched.

Please hold her accountable for these things. Make her answer those key questions. The MOST important one is about who bussed NS and why she keeps avoiding that question.

I don't have an answer for your question. I had NO read on ns. he was not in my crosshairs cos I had bigger fish to fry. <----- pretty sure I mentioned this how kind of you to

ignore that shit

.

- your arguments are weak and shitty and your pushing points that do not even make sense given the context of the game. you are ignoring relevant points and trying to push dumb ones and paint them as if they were actually legitimate.
- yes he has the ability to fool me in a game but I don't think so in gchat. <----- you are calling me out for my arrogance which is not a scumtell even if I qualify it or paranoid about a read later on. I tend to trust my early reads cos they are usually accurate but I can get talked out of them too cos oh hai I must scum in every game cos I take in what my town reads say. I am not infallible.
- so who can't be lynched game plz tell me who I am anxiously waiting and while you are at it tell me who can be lynched cos I am kind of unclear where you stand on that.

[pirate mollie]

massive quote fail haschel can you fix it for me plz I don't even know where I messed up