Mini 1464 - Game Over

[Toomai]

Wow 5 hours to L+1. I'm thinking 1 scum and the theoretical SK are on this wagon.

[Toomai]

Just so we're clear I do agree that he's been pretty scummy. But I don't like how fast the wagon came down.

[Feel It]

Well, my vote came down because his doctor protection and reasoning, was really scummy and just awful.

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 2.2

mnemonicdevice (5)

- Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone

(L-0)

2birds1stone -
Daemon385 -
Feel It -
Haschel Cedricson -
Monkeyman576 -
Smudger -
Toomai -
Zhero -

Not Voting (4): Daemon385, mnemonicdevice, Smudger, Toomai

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2013-07-30 16:30:00) from now, which is

July 30th, 4:30 PM EST

The death scene is coming momentarily.

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Ankamius]

Daybreak had just barely begun to filter into the small room through the only window when the quickly-dwindling group picked out another victim for the gallows. The effort to end his life was quick, and the search for an inevitably big discovery went on inside the man's pockets.

Unfortunately, there were various medical tools and medicinal tonics instead of the violent weapons expected from their victory before. He had been telling the truth about his identity all along, and it's too late to believe him on it.

mnemonicdevice,

Town Doctor

, has been lynched Day 2.

Night 2 Begins.

All actions must be sent within the next (expired on 2013-07-12 23:00:00), which is

July 12th, 11:00 PM EST.

[Ankamius]

The second night within the small room was tense. The sounds of people tossing and turning throughout the night seemed like it was constant, although it also hid the sounds made by those who would do you harm.

Day couldn't come fast enough. This time, only one body was discovered when day finally shown through the one small window. Only a cursory look was needed to see that there was very little of special importance to him.

MonkeyMan576,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 2.

Day 3 Begins.

The deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-03 00:00:00), which is

August 3rd, 12:00 AM EST.

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 3.0

2birds1stone -
Daemon385 -
Feel It -
Haschel Cedricson -
Smudger -
Toomai -
Zhero -

Not Voting (7): 2birds1stone, Daemon385, Feel It, Haschel Cedricson, Smudger, Toomai, Zhero

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2013-08-03 00:00:00) from now, which is

August 3rd, 12:00 AM EST

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Daemon385]

Oh I wonder I wonder who in this group is a baddy Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone

[Haschel Cedricson]

It's not me, it's obviously not MonkeyMan, and I strongly doubt it's 2birds1stone.

[Feel It]

It ain't monkey is it, I know it's not me, Hashcel and Toomai seem town to me. Why did you and 2birds hammer him so quickly, and why did you add on an extra vote?

[Smudger]

Hey guys thanks for letting me play yesterday, not! I replaced in and came to post to fond the hammer had fallen. Btw hello Everyone. Will read and get back in thread tomorrow today is rest day from virtual reality, aka weekend shopping with the darling Wife and 4 year old one boy stress testing zone, my son.. Try not to lynch anyone until I get to play? Please.

[2birds1stone]

I wasn't actually counting votes when I placed mine; having said that, I don't really regret the hammer (specifically; it sucks that I hammered before the replacement could weigh in, but beyond that, eh).

Not convinced that scum were necessarily on the wagon, beyond the fact scum normally are on lynching wagons (translation: nothing about the wagon struck me as particularly bad. Mnemonic really did look like Pitoli's buddy, and had a truly shitty claim, then I derphammered).

I'll be back in a bit with some more to add, unless I don't have any more to add (translation: I'm being intentionally vague here, don't expect a translation).

Wow 5 hours to L+1. I'm thinking 1 scum and the theoretical SK are on this wagon.

This post strikes me as odd; picking SK over vig strikes me as a bizarre assumption (seriously, N64 as an anti-town kill?). Also, one scum is a really randomly specific guess. Why not two scum?

[2birds1stone]

Oh I wonder I wonder who in this group is a baddy Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone

I was trying to figure out why there are only seven alive; then I realised this was only twelve-player to begin with.

Hypothetically, if mnemonic was all-town wagon (and I'm not saying that it is), this gives scum an opportunity to push five easy mislynches; proceeding with the assumption that we should lynch the people on the wagon through foible of them being on the wagon is bad. To put it another way, I do not believe that the mnemonic wagon should be treated any differently from any other wagon (though I would say that as either alignment).

Oh I wonder I wonder who in this group is a baddy Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone

This strikes me as hypocritical, given that he was on the wagon every bit as quick as I was (his vote didn't actually count, but his post reads as though he wasn't actually counting votes either).

[2birds1stone]

Uh... ignore the double quote

[Toomai]

This post strikes me as odd; picking SK over vig strikes me as a bizarre assumption (seriously, N64 as an anti-town kill?). Also, one scum is a really randomly specific guess. Why not two scum?

I stated in 262 that I think SK is more likely than Vig; of course Night 2 only had one death so that idea's now slightly less likely. I figured there would be just 1 Mafia member on the wagon because most players were already ready to put the lynch through, and given that I thought there was 1 SK there would be 2 Mafias and therefore they would most likely not be on there together.

[Daemon385]

I didn't actually realize he had that many close to lynch till it was to late. So that was a stupid mistake on my part, that said you could be right into thinking that there only town on that wagon but I don't all of us were town. And I am not saying I am off that list either since I did vote just the same.

[Smudger]

Ok have read through and here is what I am picking up.

mnemonicdevice's post at 156 should be taken on board at this stage and the question asked about the order of those she felt should be lynch. While a lot of what she is saying here could be regarded as subjective and based on gut as opposed to experience. This should not be overlooked and also be looked at in conjunction with Infintiy’s posts to compare any possible links. And there is one thing that stands out and that is HC.

HC sits on MDs list towards the top, why would this be of note well shortly after MDs claim the following happened. Zhero and CC unvoted immediately with Feel It following with an unvote shortly after that. Others continue to discuss it but HC stands out as flatly refusing to believe the claim and, as MD points out, HC has been tunneling on MD up to that point. Another who did not believe was Toomai who described it as a null tell, and then elaborated with a brief outline of why he would think that 177, Immediately After this 2B1S unvotes.

Therefore looking at Infinity's posts that lead up to his Lynch. On arriving 206, he immediately names Toomai and 2B1S as scum buddies then there is a ensuing discussion through the thread as to why this is so, setting MD up for the eventual lynch in 206, but maintaining the read of scum on Toomai. At first I felt that Infintiy’s actions were deliberate in camouflaging who the buddy is. Through the run of events he names 2B1S, Zhero, Toomai, Daemon as possible scum, interchanging freely but stays away from Nic, Feel It and HC. The question is why? And based on MDs list and tunneling statement then my FoS is pointed at HC and to a lesser extent Toomai as I think the whole thing in relation to Toomai smells of distancing.

[Feel It]

VOTE: Zhero

I looked back over them as well, and Zhero seems the most likely to me. He was top of MD's list and Infinity started saying he was scum then changed his mind and called him town which feels like distancing to me. He also voted MD with no explanation and just hasn't been acted or helpful.

[Smudger]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

[2birds1stone]

Okay, I have my suspicions w/r/t Zhero (I personally feel Haschel is a pretty terrible vote, but whatever), and I'm kinda not loving Daemon either, but I'm ultimately gonna vote Toomai.

Infinity distancing is probably the biggest thing on him, but I'm also going a little on gut.

Vote: Toomai

[Toomai]

Smudger: If you weren't spoiled before you started, did you believe or disbelieve the Doctor claim as you were reading?

I also feel you somewhat missed how Infinity suddenly decided I was town. To me it stopped being potential distancing there and started being flailing.

I agree that Zhero hasn't done much, but Daemon hasn't either, and his extrahammer and murky posts don't look good on him.

Vote: Daemon385

[Daemon385]

Oh I'm going with my previous vote and reasoning on voting one of my main suspicions.

Vote:Zhero

[Smudger]

Smudger: If you weren't spoiled before you started, did you believe or disbelieve the Doctor claim as you were reading?

Good question, I think I would have questioned it closely but in the ensuing time I wold have removed my vote, I do this always when there is a claim. Looking at it now and the explanations given against playing experience I believe that I would have given the benefit of the doubt to MD. However hindsight is a wonderful tool tbh.

[Smudger]

I also feel you somewhat missed how Infinity suddenly decided I was town. To me it stopped being potential distancing there and started being flailing.

I think that is a matter of opinion, what you have pointed out can be taken the way you intend it to be taken, but it can equally be taken as clever distancing.. and Infinity put up a good argument that had some in two minds, so I would not put it past him to be in a position to do such a thing.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Ok have read through and here is what I am picking up.

mnemonicdevice's post at 156 should be taken on board at this stage and the question asked about the order of those she felt should be lynch. While a lot of what she is saying here could be regarded as subjective and based on gut as opposed to experience. This should not be overlooked and also be looked at in conjunction with Infintiy’s posts to compare any possible links. And there is one thing that stands out and that is HC.

HC sits on MDs list towards the top, why would this be of note well shortly after MDs claim the following happened. Zhero and CC unvoted immediately with Feel It following with an unvote shortly after that. Others continue to discuss it but HC stands out as flatly refusing to believe the claim and, as MD points out, HC has been tunneling on MD up to that point. Another who did not believe was Toomai who described it as a null tell, and then elaborated with a brief outline of why he would think that 177, Immediately After this 2B1S unvotes.

You know, I don't mind if people think I was tunneling on mnemonicdevice*, but it seems to me like you're placing an undue amount of weight on MD's list.

*I would argue that his play was so bad that I'm baffled EVERYBODY wasn't tunneling on him.