The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Amrun]

But iirc, Tammy (tsunami) has a lot of experience reading Tierce and is p accurate with it.

[Tierce]

I can't tell you how good it feels to look at this game through a full-size screen and without worrying about bandwidth.

#YOLO, Nacho. Point to you and I'll take up the Tully banner.

VOTE: Dekes


Amrun has no clue how to read me. Don't bother. Tammy, on the other hand, is a smart cookie--I'm Town, and if she's not in tinfoil-bonnet mode she'll realize that sooner or later.

While we're talking about Tammy, the one point that is niggling at me--do you know why your other head flaked?

My main thing with Amrun and how I had a need-to-revisit-this-read moment Yesterday was her flip in Maf.Raptured. It hit me belatedly that she was scum in that game and that there was a big difference in how she was treating me between both games--but now this whole thing is kind of murky because she apparently actually thought I was scum for a while (see paragraph above -_-), so what I thought was inane posturing post-knowing she was scum is now muddled because she was legitimately scumhunting. But with that aside, from Today, I like the "Tierce is busy and I accept that" that is different from Yesterday's railing at me; it's a more forgiving, relaxed attitude, and I believe Amrun is more comfortable playing Town than scum, so it's a Townish sign.


Nexus--CDB posting a video is TownTown, y/y? How good is he at face to face?


mollie: Nacho was joking. It looked like theater because it was theater. Amrun was calling me stalling scum, I got pissed off, Nacho started trolling.

[Tammy]

Oh kay two things...

I can read Tierce usually. She hasn't done that thing that makes me read her either way yet, thought her type of appealing to me to see her as town earlier felt there.

I'll look over the scum theater nacho thing later. I've just taken a sleeping pill or I'm going to be up packing all night long and I need some sleep, so that will have to wait. In fact, my activity as a whole is probably going to kinda suck for the next few weeks or so. I got the job I intereviewed for and now have to move my life across the country. I will be around as much as I can, but there are sometimes when I'm going to be largely missing.

As far as my other head. I have no idea. Her response when I told her we were town was "damn" and before that she told me that she was taking a break from mafia. She's really super shy and a low poster, which is why she likes to hydra every now and then, and gets really frustrated with the suspicion she gets for being a low poster at our other site. But, I don't think it would have been a big deal this game, except I went out of town right after this game started. She got confused from my message and thought the game wasn't starting until I got back. By the time I got ahold of her, it was on page 30 and she was all meh about catching up. So, essentially I'm without another head, so think of me as a public alt. I'd change to Tammy but I like my avatar >_> And you're not losing anything really as I'm super easy to read so...

Okay I'm going to crash and stop packing and will get back to this tomorrow.

[tsunami]

Oh kay two things...

I can read Tierce usually. She hasn't done that thing that makes me read her either way yet, thought her type of appealing to me to see her as town earlier felt there.

I'll look over the scum theater nacho thing later. I've just taken a sleeping pill or I'm going to be up packing all night long and I need some sleep, so that will have to wait. In fact, my activity as a whole is probably going to kinda suck for the next few weeks or so. I got the job I intereviewed for and now have to move my life across the country. I will be around as much as I can, but there are sometimes when I'm going to be largely missing.

As far as my other head. I have no idea. Her response when I told her we were town was "damn" and before that she told me that she was taking a break from mafia. She's really super shy and a low poster, which is why she likes to hydra every now and then, and gets really frustrated with the suspicion she gets for being a low poster at our other site. But, I don't think it would have been a big deal this game, except I went out of town right after this game started. She got confused from my message and thought the game wasn't starting until I got back. By the time I got ahold of her, it was on page 30 and she was all meh about catching up. So, essentially I'm without another head, so think of me as a public alt. I'd change to Tammy but I like my avatar >_> And you're not losing anything really as I'm super easy to read so...

Okay I'm going to crash and stop packing and will get back to this tomorrow.

I FUCKING SUCK.

ALSO

ANDY

you have generic voting for me when I'm the one voting for Generic

[Tierce]

As far as my other head. I have no idea. Her response when I told her we were town was "damn" and before that she told me that she was taking a break from mafia. She's really super shy and a low poster, which is why she likes to hydra every now and then, and gets really frustrated with the suspicion she gets for being a low poster at our other site. But, I don't think it would have been a big deal this game, except I went out of town right after this game started. She got confused from my message and thought the game wasn't starting until I got back. By the time I got ahold of her, it was on page 30 and she was all meh about catching up. So, essentially I'm without another head, so think of me as a public alt. I'd change to Tammy but I like my avatar >_> And you're not losing anything really as I'm super easy to read so...

My issue here has two names: Pandora and Quilford. (You could at least inform Andy that it's just you, my CDO is acting up about seeing Snax on the first page.)

From what you're saying--she prefers playing scum, then?

[tsunami]

Well, at the moment, I'm still holding out hope I can drag her back in. If it becomes clear she won't becuase too much time has gone by then I'll just be me.

Yes, she prefers scum. She finds town boring. (Crazy person)

[Tierce]

Alright then. Go sleep.

[Generic]

I am liking the dekes vote, it's the one I was on before cabd goaded the 1v1 between me and MS.

But for now my vote is going here:

vote cabd

You goaded the face off between two town players in the end, using the suspicion we both had around us and then questioning anyone who pointed out you wee loading the scenario.
And then when you got MS at L-1 you got to readying me as a scape goat for what you knew the flip would be. You stand out based in your actions towards the end of the day when you slipped too much.

[Amrun]

Tierce, I wasn't railing at you yesterday for being busy, but instead for the things you posted that I found scummy. I said this before but not sure you have caught up yet. But ugh I found that post townish which makes my tinfoil hat come out worse, sadly.

Also, I have an answer for you about f2f cdb, but I will only answer if you ask/nexus answers first -- let me know.

[Cabd]

As much as I love sheeping nacho, and especially dead confirmed town nacho.... Are we willing to lynch without hearing from dekes again? Because I'm not, really.

Mollie, do I need to find something else of yours to misrep to grab your attention, or you cool with just talking to me about what nacho's townflip did to your reads?

Generic, there was a very valid thing I was doing there. I wanted people to comitt to scum v notscum, in that I didn't want the easy peasy "Oh metal sonic was a policy lynch" excuse down the road.

[Generic]

I whole heartlessly believed he was scum, I can only figure getting it so wrong down to bias at his utterly retarded attitude, and possibly the tunnelling on me.

But I also made the point of you trying to create a 1v1 between us, and then trying to push my lynch suddenly at the end. It doesn't add up to me.

[Generic]

Lol. Heartlessly = heartedly

Gotta love predictive

[Cabd]

I will grant you metal is the type of person to death tunnel, yes. My vote wasn't on sonic for a reason. Between you and him, you were the stronger scumread, yes. However, I need to re-evaluate things after the flips.

[Generic]

That is a confusing statement cabd, you had me as a stronger scum read than MS. Fair enough, you therefore voted for me and not him.

But his flipping town makes you need to reassess? I am not touting for a vote on me here, I just find that logic spurious. And it doesn't explain you challenging MS to make it him vs me.

[Cabd]

That is a confusing statement cabd, you had me as a stronger scum read than MS. Fair enough, you therefore voted for me and not him.

But his flipping town makes you need to reassess? I am not touting for a vote on me here, I just find that logic spurious. And it doesn't explain you challenging MS to make it him vs me.

Not HIS townflip, the NK flips. Me telling him if he wanted a 1v1 was my way of confirming my townread on him. While most of it is ongoing so I can't cite it, my play with metal so far has given me a working hypothesis of how town-metal works.

That said, I was convinced AV was gonna be scum for the way he was sitting back, so that needs to be re-evaluated. I didn't specifically mean re-evaluate you, but everyone. That said, your interactions with me are coming off as pretty genuine so far.

[Venmar]

Vote: Amrun

I don't really think Cabd is the most likely to flip scum here. I also don't know what to think of Dekes, pretty null about him so far. But I don't think Nacho's town flip should be used as an easy justification to sheep his scumreads, IF that's the basis here, especially considering the fact it could have been AV that was shot and not Nacho. Going on this assumption since no one has given any compelling reason for their Dekes votes.

Interesting Thing I Noticed:

Both Nacho and AV were

stabbed

to death. I'm not quite sure that i am willing to entertain the possibility of a Serial Killer since stabbing and slashing people was quite a theme at the Red Wedding, but it's interesting enough to be of note. Thoughts?

[Cabd]

The issue with that theory is you're assuming that either:
A: SK and Mafia killed both halves of the lovers
B: SK and Mafia killed the same person
C: Mafia had their kill blocked

All of those sound unlikely.

[Amrun]

Venmar, why are you only considered about lack of reasoning with Dekes votes and not other votes that have been thrown down?

I can only speak for me personally, but I'm not voting for Dekes because Nacho died (though knowing that the push came from town is good), but simply because his case was good, combined with Dekes' even more terrible posting at the end of the day and in twilight.

So it's short of sheeping Nacho but not for the reasons you think.

It is, however, fairly safe to think it's VERY LIKELY nacho was the one targetted last night.

[Venmar]

I think AV was the more likely target if the kill really was a SK kill, although it's very unlikely.

Even if Nacho was the kill, and let's assume it was since I agree it's the more likely scenario, I just personally don't think the Drekes "case" and votes are persuasive enough.

[Generic]

Venmar, why are you only considered about lack of reasoning with Dekes votes and not other votes that have been thrown down?

I can only speak for me personally, but I'm not voting for Dekes because Nacho died (though knowing that the push came from town is good), but simply because his case was good, combined with Dekes' even more terrible posting at the end of the day and in twilight.

So it's short of sheeping Nacho but not for the reasons you think.

It is, however, fairly safe to think it's VERY LIKELY nacho was the one targetted last night.

I agree on nacho being the target, he was listed first of the lovers. I assumed the other lover died as a direct result, but does the flavour indicate suicide? That's usually the case with the 2nd lover on sites I have played on, yet it's very ambiguous in this case.

[Desperado]

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

[xRECKONERx]

Iirc there was definitely stabbing at RW so the flavor fits.

[Generic]

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

As I keep pointing out desperado, just because you made the points on day 1 doesn't mean I saw them. In case you hadn't noticed I was a little preoccupied on day 1 with matters of my own.

On that, I will have to have a read back, because depending on how they sound in and out of context it will either be town genuinely looking past the moronic attitude to see town tells on ms or it will have been white knighting... I shall Iso now and see what I make of it.

[Generic]

About nexus, He never goes all out on the 'MS is town' comments, they feel light and fairly genuine. Town reading town is what I would say based on those comments.

[ChannelDelibird]

How about we don't speculate about multiple kills until we have a night in which more than one person who isn't a Lover dies?